Opinion

Miguel Marin v. AT and T Mobility Services LLC

Court
District Court, C.D. California
Filed
Aug 24, 2023
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distinguishing 18 “good cause” showing for sealing documents produced in discovery from 19 “compelling reasons” standard when merits-related documents are part of court 20 record

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| || MICHAEL J. JAURIGUE (SB# 208123)

LIANA M. KHACHATOURIAN (SB# 337126)

2 michael@jlglawyers.com

3, || liana@jlglawyers.com

JAURIGUE LAW GROUP

4 || 300 W. Glenoaks Blvd. Suite 300

Glendale, California 91202

5 || Telephone: 818-630-7280

6 Facsimile: 888-879-1697

7 || Attorneys for Plaintiff

MIGUEL MARIN

8

ELIZABETH A. BROWN (SB# 235429)

9 | JENNIFER SVANFELDT (SB# 233248)

CHRISTINA C.K. SEMMER (SB# 270909)

10]

lisabrown@gbgllp.com

11 || jensvanfeldt@gbgllp.com

christinasemmer@gbegllp.com

12 | GBG LLP

B 633 West 5" Street, Suite 1500

Los Angeles, CA 90071

14 || Telephone: (213) 358-2810

Facsimile: (213) 995-6382

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Attorneys for Defendant

16 | AT&T MOBILITY SERVICES LLC

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13 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

19 CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

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5, | MIGUEL MARIN, Case No. 2:23-cv-03747-MWE-MAA

Plaintiff,

22 FPROPOSED} STIPULATED

74 VS. PROTECTIVE ORDER

74 || AT&T MOBILITY SERVICES LLC and} Judge: Hon. Michael W. Fitzgerald

Does | through 50, inclusive, Dept.: 5A, First Street Courthouse

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Defendants.

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Case No. 2:23-cv-03747-MWF-MAA [PROPOSED] STIPULATED

PROTECTIVE ORDER

1 1. PURPOSES AND LIMITATIONS

2 Discovery in this action is likely to involve production of confidential,

3 proprietary, or private information for which special protection from public

4 disclosure and from use for any purpose other than prosecuting this litigation may be

5 warranted. Accordingly, the parties hereby stipulate to and petition the Court to enter

6 the following Stipulated Protective Order. The parties acknowledge that this

7 Stipulated Protective Order does not confer blanket protections on all disclosures or

8 responses to discovery and that the protection it affords from public disclosure and

9 use extends only to the limited information or items that are entitled to confidential

10 treatment under the applicable legal principles. The parties further acknowledge, as

11 set forth in Section 13.3 below, that this Stipulated Protective Order does not entitle

12 them to file confidential information under seal; Local Rule 79-5 sets forth the

13 procedures that must be followed and the standards that will be applied when a party

14 seeks permission from the Court to file material under seal.

15 2. GOOD CAUSE STATEMENT

16 This action is likely to involve the exchange of records and information

17 referencing or otherwise reflecting certain business practices, internal procedures,

18 sensitive internal investigations, customer and employee information, and other

19 valuable research, development, commercial, financial, technical and/or proprietary

20 information for which special protection from public disclosure and from use for any

21 purpose other than prosecution of this action is warranted. Such confidential and

22 proprietary materials and information consist of, among other things, confidential

23 business or financial information, information regarding confidential business

24 practices, or other confidential research, development, or commercial information

25 (including information implicating privacy rights of third parties), information

26 otherwise generally unavailable to the public, or which may be privileged or

27 otherwise protected from disclosure under state or federal statutes, court rules, case

28 decisions, or common law. Accordingly, to expedite the flow of information, to

1 facilitate the prompt resolution of disputes over confidentiality of discovery

2 materials, to adequately protect information the parties are entitled to keep

3 confidential, to ensure that the parties are permitted reasonable necessary uses of such

4 material in preparation for and in the conduct of trial, to address their handling at the

5 end of the litigation, and to serve the ends of justice, a protective order for such

6 information is justified in this matter. It is the intent of the parties that information

7 will not be designated as confidential for tactical reasons and that nothing be so

8 designated without a good faith belief that it has been maintained in a confidential,

9 non-public manner, and there is good cause why it should not be part of the public

10 record of this case.

11 3. DEFINITIONS

12 3.1. Action: Miguel Marin v. AT&T Mobility Services LLC and Does 1

13 through 50, inclusive (C.D. Cal. Case No. 2:23-cv-03747-MWF-

14 MAA).

15 3.2. Challenging Party: A Party or Nonparty that challenges the designation

16 of information or items under this Stipulated Protective Order.

17 3.3. “CONFIDENTIAL” Information or Items: Information (regardless of

18 how it is generated, stored or maintained) or tangible things that

19 qualify for protection under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 26(c), and

20 as specified above in the Good Cause Statement.

21 3.4. Counsel: Outside Counsel of Record and In-House Counsel (as well as

22 their support staff).

23 3.5. Designating Party: A Party or Nonparty that designates information or

24 items that it produces in disclosures or in responses to discovery as

25 “CONFIDENTIAL.”

26 3.6. Disclosure or Discovery Material: All items or information, regardless

27 of the medium or manner in which it is generated, stored, or

28 maintained (including, among other things, testimony, transcripts, and

1 tangible things), that is produced or generated in disclosures or

2 responses to discovery in this matter.

3 3.7. Expert: A person with specialized knowledge or experience in a matter

4 pertinent to the litigation who has been retained by a Party or its

5 counsel to serve as an expert witness or as a consultant in this Action.

6 3.8. In-House Counsel: Attorneys who are employees of a party to this

7 Action. In-House Counsel does not include Outside Counsel of Record

8 or any other outside counsel.

9 3.9. Nonparty: Any natural person, partnership, corporation, association, or

10 other legal entity not named as a Party to this action.

11 3.10. Outside Counsel of Record: Attorneys who are not employees of a

12 party to this Action but are retained to represent or advise a party to

13 this Action and have appeared in this Action on behalf of that party or

14 are affiliated with a law firm which has appeared on behalf of that

15 party, and includes support staff.

16 3.11. Party: Any party to this Action, including all of its officers, directors,

17 employees, consultants, retained experts, In-House Counsel, and

18 Outside Counsel of Record (and their support staffs).

19 3.12. Producing Party: A Party or Nonparty that produces Disclosure or

20 Discovery Material in this Action.

21 3.13. Professional Vendors: Persons or entities that provide litigation

22 support services (e.g., photocopying, videotaping, translating,

23 preparing exhibits or demonstrations, and organizing, storing, or

24 retrieving data in any form or medium) and their employees and

25 subcontractors.

26 3.14. Protected Material: Any Disclosure or Discovery Material that is

27 designated as “CONFIDENTIAL.”

28 3.15. Receiving Party: A Party that receives Disclosure or Discovery

1 Material from a Producing Party.

2 4. SCOPE

3 The protections conferred by this Stipulated Protective Order cover not only

4 Protected Material, but also (1) any information copied or extracted from Protected

5 Material; (2) all copies, excerpts, summaries, or compilations of Protected Material;

6 and (3) any testimony, conversations, or presentations by Parties or their Counsel that

7 might reveal Protected Material.

8 Any use of Protected Material at trial shall be governed by the orders of the

9 trial judge. This Stipulated Protective Order does not govern the use of Protected

10 Material at trial.

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5. DURATION

12 Once a case proceeds to trial, all of the information that was designated as

13 confidential or maintained pursuant to this Stipulated Protective Order becomes

14 public and presumptively will be available to all members of the public, including

15 the press, unless compelling reasons supported by specific factual findings to proceed

16 otherwise are made to the trial judge in advance of the trial. See Kamakana v. City

17 and County of Honolulu, 447 F.3d 1172, 1180-81 (9th Cir. 2006) (distinguishing

18 “good cause” showing for sealing documents produced in discovery from

19 “compelling reasons” standard when merits-related documents are part of court

20 record). Accordingly, the terms of this Stipulated Protective Order do not extend

21 beyond the commencement of the trial.

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6. DESIGNATING PROTECTED MATERIAL

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6.1. Exercise of Restraint and Care in Designating Material for Protection.

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Each Party or Nonparty that designates information or items for

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protection under this Stipulated Protective Order must take care to limit

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any such designation to specific material that qualifies under the

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appropriate standards. The Designating Party must designate for

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1 protection only those parts of material, documents, items, or oral or

2 written communications that qualify so that other portions of the

3 material, documents, items, or communications for which protection is

4 not warranted are not swept unjustifiably within the ambit of this

5 Stipulated Protective Order.

6 Mass, indiscriminate, or routinized designations are prohibited.

7 Designations that are shown to be clearly unjustified or that have been

8 made for an improper purpose (e.g., to unnecessarily encumber the case

9 development process or to impose unnecessary expenses and burdens

10 on other parties) may expose the Designating Party to sanctions.

11 6.2. Manner and Timing of Designations.

12 Except as otherwise provided in this Stipulated Protective Order

13 (see, e.g., Section 6.2(a)), or as otherwise stipulated or ordered,

14 Disclosure or Discovery Material that qualifies for protection under this

15 Stipulated Protective Order must be clearly so designated before the

16 material is disclosed or produced.

17 Designation in conformity with this Stipulated Protective Order

18 requires the following:

19 (a) For information in documentary form (e.g., paper or electronic

20 documents, but excluding transcripts of depositions or other

21 pretrial or trial proceedings), that the Producing Party affix at a

22 minimum, the legend “CONFIDENTIAL” to each page that

23 contains protected material. If only a portion or portions of the

24 material on a page qualifies for protection, the Producing Party

25 also must clearly identify the protected portion(s) (e.g., by

26 making appropriate markings in the margins).

27 A Party or Nonparty that makes original documents

28 available for inspection need not designate them for protection

1 until after the inspecting Party has indicated which documents it

2 would like copied and produced. During the inspection and

3 before the designation, all of the material made available for

4 inspection shall be deemed “CONFIDENTIAL.” After the

5 inspecting Party has identified the documents it wants copied and

6 produced, the Producing Party must determine which documents,

7 or portions thereof, qualify for protection under this Stipulated

8 Protective Order. Then, before producing the specified

9 documents, the Producing Party must affix the legend

10 “CONFIDENTIAL” to each page that contains Protected

11 Material. If only a portion or portions of the material on a page

12 qualifies for protection, the Producing Party also must clearly

13 identify the protected portion(s) (e.g., by making appropriate

14 markings in the margins).

15 (b) For testimony given in depositions, that the Designating Party

16 identify the Disclosure or Discovery Material on the record,

17 before the close of the deposition, all protected testimony.

18 (c) For information produced in nondocumentary form, and for any

19 other tangible items, that the Producing Party affix in a prominent

20 place on the exterior of the container or containers in which the

21 information is stored the legend “CONFIDENTIAL.” If only a

22 portion or portions of the information warrants protection, the

23 Producing Party, to the extent practicable, shall identify the

24 protected portion(s).

25 6.3. Inadvertent Failure to Designate.

26 If timely corrected, an inadvertent failure to designate qualified

27 information or items does not, standing alone, waive the Designating

28 Party’s right to secure protection under this Stipulated Protective Order

1 for such material. Upon timely correction of a designation, the

2 Receiving Party must make reasonable efforts to assure that the material

3 is treated in accordance with the provisions of this Stipulated Protective

4 Order.

5 7. CHALLENGING CONFIDENTIALITY DESIGNATIONS

6 7.1. Timing of Challenges.

7 Any Party or Nonparty may challenge a designation of confidentiality

8 at any time that is consistent with the Court’s Scheduling Order.

9 7.2. Meet and Confer.

10 The Challenging Party shall initiate the dispute resolution process,

11 which shall comply with Local Rule 37.1 et seq., and with Section 4 of Judge

12 Audero’s Procedures (“Mandatory Telephonic Conference for Discovery

13 Disputes”).1

14 7.3. Burden of Persuasion.

15 The burden of persuasion in any such challenge proceeding shall be on

16 the Designating Party. Frivolous challenges, and those made for an improper

17 purpose (e.g., to harass or impose unnecessary expenses and burdens on other

18 parties) may expose the Challenging Party to sanctions. Unless the

19 Designating Party has waived or withdrawn the confidentiality designation, all

20 parties shall continue to afford the material in question the level of protection

21 to which it is entitled under the Producing Party’s designation until the Court

22 rules on the challenge.

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8. ACCESS TO AND USE OF PROTECTED MATERIALS

24 8.1. Basic Principles.

25 A Receiving Party may use Protected Material that is disclosed or

26 produced by another Party or by a Nonparty in connection with this Action

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1 Judge Audero’s Procedures are available at

28 https://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/honorable-maria-audero.

1 only for prosecuting, defending, or attempting to settle this Action. Such

2 Protected Material may be disclosed only to the categories of persons and

3 under the conditions described in this Stipulated Protective Order. When the

4 Action reaches a final disposition, a Receiving Party must comply with the

5 provisions of Section 14 below.

6 Protected Material must be stored and maintained by a Receiving Party

7 at a location and in a secure manner that ensures that access is limited to the

8 persons authorized under this Stipulated Protective Order.

9 8.2. Disclosure of “CONFIDENTIAL” Information or Items.

10 Unless otherwise ordered by the Court or permitted in writing by the

11 Designating Party, a Receiving Party may disclose any information or item

12 designated “CONFIDENTIAL” only to:

13 (a) The Receiving Party’s Outside Counsel of Record, as well as

14 employees of said Outside Counsel of Record to whom it is

15 reasonably necessary to disclose the information for this Action;

16 (b) The officers, directors, and employees (including In-House

17 Counsel) of the Receiving Party to whom disclosure is

18 reasonably necessary for this Action;

19 (c) Experts of the Receiving Party to whom disclosure is reasonably

20 necessary for this Action and who have signed the

21 “Acknowledgment and Agreement to Be Bound” (Exhibit A);

22 (d) The Court and its personnel;

23 (e) Court reporters and their staff;

24 (f) Professional jury or trial consultants, mock jurors, and

25 Professional Vendors to whom disclosure is reasonably

26 necessary or this Action and who have signed the

27 “Acknowledgment and Agreement to be Bound” (Exhibit A);

28 (g) The author or recipient of a document containing the

1 information or a custodian or other person who otherwise

2 possessed or knew the information;

3 (h) During their depositions, witnesses, and attorneys for witnesses,

4 in the Action to whom disclosure is reasonably necessary

5 provided: (i) the deposing party requests that the witness sign

6 the “Acknowledgment and Agreement to Be Bound” (Exhibit

7 A); and (ii) the witness will not be permitted to keep any

8 confidential information unless they sign the “Acknowledgment

9 and Agreement to Be Bound,” unless otherwise agreed by the

10 Designating Party or ordered by the Court. Pages of transcribed

11 deposition testimony or exhibits to depositions that reveal

12 Protected Material may be separately bound by the court

13 reporter and may not be disclosed to anyone except as permitted

14 under this Stipulated Protective Order; and

15 (i) Any mediator or settlement officer, and their supporting

16 personnel, mutually agreed upon by any of the parties engaged

17 in settlement discussions.

18 9. PROTECTED MATERIAL SUBPOENAED OR ORDERED

PRODUCED IN OTHER LITIGATION

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If a Party is served with a subpoena or a court order issued in other litigation

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that compels disclosure of any information or items designated in this Action as

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“CONFIDENTIAL,” that Party must:

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(a) Promptly notify in writing the Designating Party. Such notification

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shall include a copy of the subpoena or court order;

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(b) Promptly notify in writing the party who caused the subpoena or order

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to issue in the other litigation that some or all of the material covered

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by the subpoena or order is subject to this Stipulated Protective Order.

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Such notification shall include a copy of this Stipulated Protective

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1 Order; and

2 (c) Cooperate with respect to all reasonable procedures sought to be

3 pursued by the Designating Party whose Protected Material may be

4 affected.

5 If the Designating Party timely seeks a protective order, the Party served with

6 the subpoena or court order shall not produce any information designated in this

7 action as “CONFIDENTIAL” before a determination by the Court from which the

8 subpoena or order issued, unless the Party has obtained the Designating Party’s

9 permission. The Designating Party shall bear the burden and expense of seeking

10 protection in that court of its confidential material and nothing in these provisions

11 should be construed as authorizing or encouraging a Receiving Party in this Action

12 to disobey a lawful directive from another court.

13 10. 10. A NONPARTY’S PROTECTED MATERIAL SOUGHT TO BE

PRODUCED IN THIS LITIGATION

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10.1. Application.

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The terms of this Stipulated Protective Order are applicable to

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information produced by a Nonparty in this Action and designated as

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“CONFIDENTIAL.” Such information produced by Nonparties in connection

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with this litigation is protected by the remedies and relief provided by this

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Stipulated Protective Order. Nothing in these provisions should be construed

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as prohibiting a Nonparty from seeking additional protections.

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10.2. Notification.

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In the event that a Party is required, by a valid discovery request, to

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produce a Nonparty’s confidential information in its possession, and the Party

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is subject to an agreement with the Nonparty not to produce the Nonparty’s

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confidential information, then the Party shall:

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(a) Promptly notify in writing the Requesting Party and the

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Nonparty that some or all of the information requested is subject

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1 to a confidentiality agreement with a Nonparty;

2 (b) Promptly provide the Nonparty with a copy of the Stipulated

3 Protective Order in this Action, the relevant discovery

4 request(s), and a reasonably specific description of the

5 information requested; and

6 (c) Make the information requested available for inspection by the

7 Nonparty, if requested.

8 10.3. Conditions of Production.

9 If the Nonparty fails to seek a protective order from this Court within

10 fourteen (14) days after receiving the notice and accompanying information,

11 the Receiving Party may produce the Nonparty’s confidential information

12 responsive to the discovery request. If the Nonparty timely seeks a protective

13 order, the Receiving Party shall not produce any information in its possession

14 or control that is subject to the confidentiality agreement with the Nonparty

15 before a determination by the Court. Absent a court order to the contrary, the

16 Nonparty shall bear the burden and expense of seeking protection in this Court

17 of its Protected Material.

18 11. UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE OF PROTECTED MATERIAL

19 If a Receiving Party learns that, by inadvertence or otherwise, it has disclosed

20 Protected Material to any person or in any circumstance not authorized under this

21 Stipulated Protective Order, the Receiving Party immediately must (1) notify in

22 writing the Designating Party of the unauthorized disclosures, (2) use its best efforts

23 to retrieve all unauthorized copies of the Protected Material, (3) inform the person or

24 persons to whom unauthorized disclosures were made of all the terms of this

25 Stipulated Protective Order, and (4) request such person or persons to execute the

26 “Acknowledgment and Agreement to be Bound” (Exhibit A).

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1 12. INADVERTENT PRODUCTION OF PRIVILEGED OR OTHERWISE

PROTECTED MATERIAL

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When a Producing Party gives notice to Receiving Parties that certain

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inadvertently produced material is subject to a claim of privilege or other protection,

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the obligations of the Receiving Parties are those set forth in Federal Rule of Civil

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Procedure 26(b)(5)(B). This provision is not intended to modify whatever procedure

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may be established in an e-discovery order that provides for production without prior

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privilege review. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Evidence 502(d) and (e), insofar as the

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parties reach an agreement on the effect of disclosure of a communication or

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information covered by the attorney-client privilege or work product protection, the

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parties may incorporate their agreement in the Stipulated Protective Order submitted

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to the Court.

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13. MISCELLANEOUS

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13.1. Right to Further Relief.

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Nothing in this Stipulated Protective Order abridges the right of any

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person to seek its modification by the Court in the future.

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13.2. Right to Assert Other Objections.

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By stipulating to the entry of this Stipulated Protective Order, no Party

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waives any right it otherwise would have to object to disclosing or producing

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any information or item on any ground not addressed in this Stipulated

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Protective Order. Similarly, no Party waives any right to object on any ground

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to use in evidence of any of the material covered by this Stipulated Protective

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Order.

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13.3. Filing Protected Material.

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A Party that seeks to file under seal any Protected Material must comply

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with Local Rule 79-5. Protected Material may only be filed under seal pursuant

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to a court order authorizing the sealing of the specific Protected Material at

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issue. If a Party’s request to file Protected Material under seal is denied by the

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1 Court, then the Receiving Party may file the information in the public record

2 unless otherwise instructed by the Court.

3 14. FINAL DISPOSITION

4 After the final disposition of this Action, within sixty (60) days of a written

5 request by the Designating Party, each Receiving Party must return all Protected

6 Material to the Producing Party or destroy such material. As used in this subdivision,

7 “all Protected Material” includes all copies, abstracts, compilations, summaries, and

8 any other format reproducing or capturing any of the Protected Material. Whether

9 the Protected Material is returned or destroyed, the Receiving Party must submit a

10 written certification to the Producing Party (and, if not the same person or entity, to

11 the Designating Party) by the 60-day deadline that (1) identifies (by category, where

12 appropriate) all the Protected Material that was returned or destroyed and (2) affirms

13 that the Receiving Party has not retained any copies, abstracts, compilations,

14 summaries or any other format reproducing or capturing any of the Protected

15 Material. Notwithstanding this provision, Counsel is entitled to retain an archival

16 copy of all pleadings; motion papers; trial, deposition, and hearing transcripts; legal

17 memoranda; correspondence; deposition and trial exhibits; expert reports; attorney

18 work product; and consultant and expert work product, even if such materials contain

19 Protected Material. Any such archival copies that contain or constitute Protected

20 Material remain subject to this Stipulated Protective Order as set forth in Section 5.

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1 | 15. VIOLATION

2 Any violation of this Stipulated Order may be punished by any and all

3 || appropriate measures including, without limitation, contempt proceedings and/or

4 || monetary sanctions.

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6 IT IS SO STIPULATED, THROUGH COUNSEL OF RECORD.

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g | DATED: _ August 18, 2023 JAURIGUE LAW GROUP

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10 By: Leena Khachatowern

ll Michael J. Jaurigue

Liana M. Khachatourian

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B Attorneys for Plaintiff

MIGUEL MARIN

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| DATED: August 18, 2023 GBG LLP

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17 By: /s/ Christina C.K. Semmer

18 CHRISTINA C.K. SEMMER

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Attorneys for Defendant

20 AT&T MOBILITY SERVICES LLC

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22 FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN, IT IS SO ORDERED.

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24 || DATED: August 24, 2023

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26 Liaticoea Denafii

Patricia Donahue Merra-A--Aayr-ergy

27 United States Magistrate Judge

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Case No. 2:23-cv-03747-MWF-MAA -14- [PROPOSED] STIPULATED

PROTECTIVE ORDER

1 EXHIBIT A

2 ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND

3 I, __________________________ [full name], of

4 _____________________________ [address], declare under penalty of perjury that

5 I have read in its entirety and understand the Stipulated Protective Order that was

6 issued by the United States District Court for the Central District of California on

7 __________________ [date] in the case of Miguel Marin v. AT&T Mobility

8 Services LLC et al., C.D. Cal. Case No. 2:23-cv-03747-MWF-MAA. I agree to

9 comply with and to be bound by all the terms of this Stipulated Protective Order,

10 and I understand and acknowledge that failure to so comply could expose me to

11 sanctions and punishment in the nature of contempt. I solemnly promise that I will

12 not disclose in any manner any information or item that is subject to this Stipulated

13 Protective Order to any person or entity except in strict compliance with the

14 provisions of this Stipulated Protective Order.

15 I further agree to submit to the jurisdiction of the United States District Court

16 for the Central District of California for the purpose of enforcing the terms of this

17 Stipulated Protective Order, even if such enforcement proceedings occur after

18 termination of this action. I hereby appoint _______________________[full name]

19 of _______________________________________[address and telephone number]

20 as my California agent for service of process in connection with this action or any

21 proceedings related to enforcement of this Stipulated Protective Order.

22 Signature: _____________________________

23 Printed Name: _____________________________

24 Date: _____________________________

25 City and State Where Sworn and Signed: _____________________________

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