holding that the ALJ satisfies her duty “to identify and obtain a reasonable explanation for any conflicts between occupational evidence provided by VEs and information in the DOT if he or she asks the VE whether his or her testimony is consistent with the DOT” (cleaned up) (quotation omitted)
How later courts described this case
- holding that the ALJ satisfies her duty “to identify and obtain a reasonable explanation for any conflicts between occupational evidence provided by VEs and information in the DOT if he or she asks the VE whether his or her testimony is consistent with the DOT” (cleaned up) (quotation omitted)
- “The findings of the Commissioner are not subject to reversal merely because there exists in the record substantial evidence to support a different conclusion.”
Written by the judges who cited it.
The opinion
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF OHIO
EASTERN DIVISION
SHEILA HARDRICK, ) Case No. 1:25-CV-00472
)
Plaintiff, ) JUDGE DAN AARON POLSTER
)
v. ) MAGISTRATE JUDGE JENNIFER
) DOWDELL ARMSTRONG
COMMISSIONER OF SOCIAL SECURITY, )
) ORDER & OPINION
Defendant. )
On March 10, 2025, Plaintiff Sheila Hardrick filed a complaint against the Commissioner
of Social Security (“Commissioner”) seeking judicial review of the Commissioner’s decision
denying her application for social security disability insurance benefits (“DIB”) and supplemental
security income (“SSI”). ECF 1. The Court referred the case to Magistrate Judge Jennifer Dowdell
Armstrong for preparation of a report and recommendation (“R&R”) pursuant to 42 U.S.C.
§ 405(g) and Local Rule 72.2(b). Magistrate Judge Armstrong recommends the Court affirm the
decision of the Commissioner. ECF 14.
Hardrick filed an objection on December 1, 2025, raising one assignment of error—that
the Magistrate Judge erred in finding that the administrative law judge (“ALJ”) was not required
to sua sponte investigate an alleged conflict between the vocational expert’s (“VE”) testimony and
the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (“DOT”). ECF 15. The Commissioner filed a response on
December 12, 2025. ECF 16. The Court has reviewed the record, the briefings, the R&R,
Hardrick’s objection, and the Commissioner’s response. Because no conflict between the VE’s
testimony and the DOT regarding the classification of Hardrick’s job at (then) Quicken Loans
Arena was made apparent to the ALJ, the ALJ was not required to sua sponte or otherwise resolve
the alleged conflict. The Commissioner’s decision to deny DIB and SSI was supported by
substantial evidence, so the Court overrules Hardrick’s objection and adopts Magistrate Judge
Armstrong’s R&R. Accordingly, the Court AFFIRMS the ALJ’s decision and DISMISSES the
case, with prejudice.
I. Background
Hardrick filed her DIB and SSI applications on December 21, 2022, alleging a disability
onset date of April 5, 2019. Her application was denied initially and upon reconsideration. She the
requested a hearing before an ALJ. Tr. at 99.1 The ALJ held a hearing on September 26, 2023,
where Hardrick appeared with counsel. Tr. at 30. Both Hardrick and an independent VE testified
at the hearing. Id. On February 12, 2024, the ALJ issued a written decision, finding that Hardrick
was not disabled. Tr. at 11. The Appeals Council declined further review on January 30, 2025,
allowing the ALJ’s decision to become final. Tr. at 1.
At the ALJ hearing, Hardrick testified that she had worked several different cleaning jobs
in the past, including a position at (what was then known as) Quicken Loans Arena. Tr. at 35-38.
She testified that her work at Quicken Loans Arena was not in the public concourse or seating
areas, but rather in the executive offices and the common areas on the executive floors. Tr. at 38.
As part of her responsibilities in that role, she testified that she lifted between 30 and 50 pounds.
Id.
1 The transcript of proceedings before the Social Security Administration (“SSA”) is at ECF 8. All page references to
the transcript refer to the SSA’s numbering in the lower-right corner, and not the ECF PageID number added to the
header upon filing with this Court.
The VE testified that most of Hardrick’s cleaning positions were classified as medium or
heavy work positions. Tr. at 49. However, Hardrick’s job at Quicken Loans Arena, the VE
testified, was properly classified as “cleaner, housekeeping,” DOT code 323.687-014. Id. The VE
further testified that the DOT classified that position as light work as generally performed, and as
medium work as Hardrick actually performed it. Id. When the ALJ asked the VE if her testimony
was consistent with the DOT, the VE testified that it was. Tr. at 51.
II. Standard of Review
This Court’s review of the Magistrate Judge’s R&R is governed by 28 U.S.C. § 636(b),
which requires a de novo decision as to those portions of the R&R to which objection is made.
“An ‘objection’ that does nothing more than state a disagreement with a magistrate’s suggested
resolution, or simply summarizes what has been presented before, is not an ‘objection’ as that term
is used in this context.” Aldrich v. Bock, 327 F. Supp. 2d 743, 747 (E.D. Mich. 2004); see also
Fed. R. Civ. P. 72(b)(3) (“[t]he district judge must determine de novo any part of the magistrate
judge’s disposition that has been properly objected to[]”); Local Rule 72.3(b) (any objecting party
shall file “written objections which shall specifically identify the portions of the proposed findings,
recommendations, or report to which objection is made and the basis for such objections[]”).
Judicial review is limited to a determination of whether the ALJ applied the correct legal
standards and whether there is “substantial evidence” in the record as a whole to support the
decision. 42 U.S.C. § 405(g); Kyle v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 609 F.3d 847, 854-55 (6th Cir. 2010).
“Substantial evidence is less than a preponderance but more than a scintilla; it refers to relevant
evidence that a reasonable mind might accept as adequate to support a conclusion.” Gentry v.
Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 741 F.3d 708, 722 (6th Cir. 2014) (citing Rogers v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 486
F.3d 234, 241 (6th Cir. 2007)).
A reviewing court is not permitted to resolve conflicts in evidence or to decide questions
of credibility. DeLong v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec. Admin., 748 F.3d 723, 726 (6th Cir. 2014); Bass v.
McMahon, 499 F.3d 506, 509 (6th Cir. 2007). Nor need the reviewing court necessarily agree with
the Commissioner’s determination in order to affirm it. “Even if [the] Court might have reached a
contrary conclusion of fact, the Commissioner’s decision must be affirmed so long as it is
supported by substantial evidence.” Kyle, 609 F.3d at 854-55. This is true even if substantial
evidence also supports the claimant’s position. See McClanahan v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 474 F.3d
830, 833 (6th Cir. 2006); Buxton v. Halter, 246 F.3d 762, 772 (6th Cir. 2001) (“The findings of
the Commissioner are not subject to reversal merely because there exists in the record substantial
evidence to support a different conclusion.”).
Even when there is substantial evidence, however, “‘a decision of the Commissioner will
not be upheld where the [Social Security Administration] fails to follow its own regulations and
where that error prejudices a claimant on the merits or deprives the claimant of a substantial right.’”
Rabbers v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec. Admin., 582 F.3d 647, 651 (6th Cir. 2009) (quoting Bowen v.
Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 478 F.3d 742, 746 (6th Cir. 2007)). Likewise, a court “cannot uphold an
ALJ’s decision, even if there ‘is enough evidence in the record to support the decision, [where] the
reasons given by the trier of fact do not build an accurate and logical bridge between the evidence
and the result.’” Fleischer v. Astrue, 774 F. Supp. 2d 875, 877 (N.D. Ohio 2011) (quoting Sarchet
v. Chater, 78 F.3d 305, 307 (7th Cir. 1996); and citing Wilson v. Comm'r of Soc. Sec., 378 F.3d
541, 544-46 (6th Cir. 2004) (finding it was not harmless error for the ALJ to fail to make
sufficiently clear why he rejected the treating physician’s opinion, even if substantial evidence not
mentioned by the ALJ may have existed to support the ultimate decision to reject the treating
physician's opinion)).
III. Law and Analysis
Hardrick asserted just one issue to be decided by this Court—whether the ALJ was required
to sua sponte investigate an alleged conflict between the VE’s testimony and the DOT.2 Social
Security Ruling (“SSR”) 00-4p provides that “[w]hen there is an apparent unresolved conflict
between VE . . . evidence and the DOT, the adjudicator must elicit a reasonable explanation for
the conflict before relying on the VE . . . evidence to support a determination or decision about
whether the claimant is disabled.” 2000 WL 1898704, at *2 (Dec. 4, 2000). SSR 00-4p further
provides that the ALJ must “inquire, on the record, as to whether or not there is such consistency.”
Id. As the Sixth Circuit has held, SSR 00-4p provides that an ALJ must “resolve the conflict by
determining if the explanation given by the expert is reasonable and provides a basis for agreeing
with the expert rather than the DOT information.” Martin v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 170 F. App’x
369, 374 (6th Cir. 2006)
During the hearing, the VE testified that the Quicken Loans Arena job was classified as
“cleaner, housekeeping,” DOT code 323.687-014. Tr. at 49. Hardrick contends, however, that,
based on her “self-reported job description,” her work at Quicken Loans Arena should instead be
classified as “cleaner, commercial or industrial,” DOT code 381.687-014. ECF 15 at 2. A
commercial or industrial cleaner, according to Hardrick, performs work at the heavy exertional
level, meaning that she could not perform the position given her residual functional capacity
(“RFC”). Yet when the VE testified at the hearing that the Quicken Loans Arena job was “cleaner,
housekeeping,” neither Hardrick nor her counsel challenged that testimony. In fact, Hardrick’s
2 Hardrick only challenges the ALJ’s Step Four finding that she could perform her past work as a cleaner at Quicken
Loans Arena. She does not challenge the ALJ’s determinations regarding medical evidence or medical opinion
evidence. Accordingly, this Court will only discuss the responsibilities of the ALJ at Step Four.
counsel not only failed to ask any questions regarding the VE’s classification of the Quicken Loans
Arena job, but Hardrick’s counsel did not ask any questions of the VE at all. Tr. at 51.
Ordinarily, “[w]hen a plaintiff neither objects to a VE’s testimony during the administrative
hearing nor obtains permission from the ALJ to allow a post-hearing brief making such an
objection, that plaintiff waives the right to subsequently object to that testimony . . . .” Brown v.
Comm’r of Soc. Sec., No. 3:22-cv-1258, 2023 WL 5765875, at *2 (N.D. Ohio Sept. 7, 2023)
(citation and quotations omitted). This would mean that the failure of Hardrick’s counsel to
question the VE during the administrative hearing would preclude Hardrick from raising the issue
before this Court. Hardrick argues that this is not the case for two reasons.
First, Hardrick attempts to shift the burden of raising the apparent conflict to the
Commissioner. She states that because the Commissioner “does not contend that the VE classified
[the Quicken Loans Arena job] correctly . . . there appears to be implicit acknowledgement . . .
that the ALJ improperly classified” the Quicken Loans Arena job. ECF 15 at 2. She argues that
her case is “factually indistinguishable” from the case in Piersante, where the court remanded the
matter for further determination of the petitioner’s past relevant work after determining that the
Commissioner “implicitly acknowledge[d] that Plaintiff's past relevant work was improperly
classified by not arguing otherwise.” ECF 15 at 2 (quoting R&R, Piersante v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec.,
No. 13-11079, 2014 WL 1048157, at *16 (E.D. Mich. Mar. 18, 2014)). And, as in Hardrick’s case,
the petitioner in Piersante did not challenge the VE’s testimony at the hearing. Id. (quoting R&R,
Piersante, 2014 WL 1048157, at *16).
However, contrary to Hardrick’s argument, Piersante is inapplicable and unpersuasive. As
the Commissioner points out, Piersante is an unpublished district court opinion that finds “no
support in either Sixth Circuit case law or in SSR 00-4p.” ECF 16 at 4. Indeed, the court in
Piersante even acknowledges that it is going against the weight of Sixth Circuit case law
concluding that “an administrative law judge need not conduct his or her own investigation into
the testimony of a vocational expert to determine its accuracy, especially when the claimant fails
to bring any conflict to the attention of the administrative law judge.” Order Adopting R&R,
Piersante, 2014 WL 1048157, at *4 (quotation omitted). And to the extent the Piersante court was
correct to do so, it was only because the conflict between the petitioner’s job as he performed it
and the VE’s classification under the DOT was so apparent that the ALJ’s failure to investigate
the conflict “casts doubt on the evidence the ALJ relied on to make his determination.” Id.
(quotation omitted). By contrast, as described, infra, any alleged conflict between Hardrick’s self-
description of the Quicken Loans Arena job and the VE’s classification of it under the DOT was
not apparent.
This brings the Court to Hardrick’s second argument—that the ALJ failed to properly fulfill
her responsibility to “[i]dentify and obtain a reasonable explanation for any conflicts” between the
VE’s testimony and the DOT before relying on the VE’s testimony. SSR 00-4p, 2000 WL
1898704, at *1; ECF 15 at 3-5. In Hardrick’s view, “an ALJ’s obligation to identify conflicts is
not satisfied simply by asking the VE about conflicts and the VE identifying none in reply.” ECF
15 at 4. Rather, Hardrick argues, the ALJ has an affirmative duty “to assess the VE’s evidence for
conflicts the VE did not identify, but appear to be present regardless” because the ALJ “must
explain the resolution of the conflict ‘irrespective of how the conflict was identified.’” Id. at 4-5
(quoting SSR 00-4p, 2000 WL 1898704, at *4).
Yet the Sixth Circuit has made clear that “[t]he ALJ is not required to affirmatively
‘conduct an independent investigation into the testimony of witnesses to determine if they are
correct.’” Johnson v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 535 F. App’x 498, 508 (6th Cir. 2013) (emphasis added)
(quoting Martin v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 170 F. App’x 369, 374 (6th Cir. 2006)). Rather, the ALJ
is only required to “inquire, on the record, as to whether or not there is such consistency” between
the VE’s testimony and the DOT. SSR 00-4p, 2000 WL 1898704, at *2; see also Johnson, 535 F.
App’x at 508 (holding that the ALJ satisfies her duty “to identify and obtain a reasonable
explanation for any conflicts between occupational evidence provided by VEs and information in
the DOT if he or she asks the VE whether his or her testimony is consistent with the DOT” (cleaned
up) (quotation omitted)). If the VE does not self-identify any conflict, as was the case here, then
“[t]his obligation falls to the plaintiff’s counsel, who had the opportunity to cross-examine the VE
and bring out any conflicts with the DOT.” Beinlich v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 345 F. App’x 163,
168 (6th Cir. 2009). Thus, regardless of whether or not there really was such a conflict, “[t]he
failure of Ms. Hardrick’s counsel to question the VE during the administrative hearing is fatal to
her argument in this proceeding.” R&R, ECF 14 at 8; cf. Carey v. Apfel, 230 F.3d 131, 146-47 (5th
Cir. 2000) (noting that “claimants should not be permitted to scan the record for implied or
unexplained conflicts between the specific testimony of an expert witness and the voluminous
provisions of the DOT, and then present that conflict as reversible error, when the conflict was not
deemed sufficient to merit adversarial development in the administrative hearing”).
Hardrick’s attempts to identify conflicts now on appeal are irrelevant, as any alleged error
by the ALJ is harmless because no conflicts exist between the VE’s testimony and the DOT. See
Johnson, 535 F. App’x at 508 (citing Poppa v. Astrue, 569 F.3d 1167, 1174 (10th Cir. 2009)). In
her work history report, Hardrick described the Quicken Loans Arena job as requiring her to “clean
executive offices, remove trash from bins[,] sanitize and[] disinfect desk, vacuum floors[,] [and]
clean rest room,” including “moping [and] sweeping floors[, and] cleaning sinks and toilets.” Tr.
at 217. In the DOT, “cleaner, housekeeping,” code 323.687-014 is defined as:
Cleans rooms and halls in commercial establishments, such as
hotels, restaurants, clubs, beauty parlors, and dormitories,
performing any combination of following duties: Sorts, counts,
folds, marks, or carries linens. Makes beds. Replenishes supplies,
such as drinking glasses and writing supplies. Checks wraps and
renders personal assistance to patrons. Moves furniture, hangs
drapes, and rolls carpets. Performs other duties as described under
CLEANER (any industry) I Master Title. May be designated
according to type of establishment cleaned as Beauty Parlor Cleaner
(personal ser.); Motel Cleaner (hotel & rest.); or according to area
cleaned as Sleeping Room Cleaner (hotel & rest.).
This description incorporates, by reference, any of the duties under “CLEANER (any industry) I
Master Title.” That section includes:
Maintains premises of commercial, institutional, or industrial
establishments, office buildings, hotels and motels, apartment
houses, retirement homes, nursing homes, hospitals, schools, or
similar establishments in clean and orderly condition, performing
the following duties: Cleans rooms, hallways, lobbies, lounges, rest
rooms, corridors, elevators, stairways, and locker rooms and other
work areas. Sweeps, scrubs, waxes, and polishes floors, using
brooms and mops and powered scrubbing and waxing machines.
Cleans rugs, carpets, upholstered furniture, and draperies, using
vacuum cleaner. Dusts furniture and equipment. Polishes
metalwork, such as fixtures and fittings. Washes walls, ceiling, and
woodwork. Washes windows, door panels, and sills. Empties
wastebaskets, and empties and cleans ashtrays. Transports trash and
waste to disposal area. Replenishes bathroom supplies. Replaces
light bulbs. Classifications are made according to type of
establishment in which work is performed. Typical classifications
are CLEANER, COMMERCIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL (any
industry); CLEANER, HOSPITAL (medical ser.); CLEANER,
HOUSEKEEPING (any industry); CLEANER, INDUSTRIAL (any
industry); HOUSECLEANER (hotel & rest.).
Between [cleaner, housekeeping], code 323.687-014, and “CLEANER I Master Title,” all
the duties that Hardrick described for the Quicken Loans Arena job are included. Hardrick’s
argument that the “maximum weights” for the “cleaner, housekeeping” and “cleaner, commercial
or institutional” are different is unavailing. It is irrelevant that the specific terminology in the DOT
may not line up exactly with how the VE and/or Hardrick testified. See Beinlich, 345 F. App’x at
**3-4 (where the VE’s description of jobs was allegedly inconsistent with their respective DOT
description, “[t]he fact that some occupations with the terms ‘office clerk,’ ‘inspector,’ and ‘tester’
were listed in the DOT with different levels of skill and exertion does not change the result” that
petitioner’s argument was without merit (citing Lindsley v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 560 F.3d 601,
605 (6th Cir. 2009))). “[T]he mere fact that the DOT does not list occupations with those precise
terms” or exact performance specifications “does not establish that they do not exist.” Id. at *4.
“The function of the VE is to advise the ALJ of jobs found among various categories of
employment which the plaintiff can perform with her limitations,” and that is precisely what the
VE did in Hardrick’s case. Id.
Hardrick does not challenge the ALJ’s characterization of her RFC. Nor does she challenge
the ALJ’s reliance on the VE’s testimony that someone with Hardrick’s RFC could perform the
duties of “cleaner, housekeeping,” code 323.687-014. Rather, Hardrick only argues that this
occupation does not appropriately classify her past work. Since the Court finds there is no conflict
between the VE’s testimony and the DOT, this argument fails. Accordingly, after reviewing the
record, the Court finds that the ALJ’s decision is supported by substantial evidence.
IV. Conclusion
After considering the arguments raised and the underlying record, the Court hereby
OVERRULES Hardrick’s objection. Magistrate Armstrong’s R&R is ADOPTED and this case is
DISMISSED, with prejudice.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
Dated: December 22, 2025
s/Dan Aaron Polster
United States District Judge