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OCTOBER TERM, 1973.

No. 73-1363

NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD,

Petitioner,

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J. WEINGARTEN, INC.

ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF

APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT.

No. 73-765

INTERNATIONAL LADIES’ GARMENT WORKERS’

UNION, UPPER SOUTH DEPARTMENT, AFL-CIO,

| Petitioner,

VS.

QUALITY MANUFACTURING COMPANY anp

NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD.

ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF

APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT.

MOTION OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR LEAVE TO

FILE BRIEF AMICUS CURIAE AND BRIEF

AMICUS CURIAE.

MILTON SMITH,

General Counsel,

RICHARD BERMAN,

Labor Relations Counsel, . -

Chamber of Commerce of the i

United States of America,

1615 H Street, N. W., JERRY KRONENBERG,

Washington, D. C. 20006, Borovsky, Ehrlich & Kronenberg,

120 South LaSalle Street,

Chicago, Illinois 60603,

Attorneys for the Amicus Curiae.

Of Counsel:

COLE, ZYLSTRA & RAYWID,

2011 Eye Street, N. W.,

Washington, D. C. 20006.

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Supreme Court of the Anited States

OcTOBER TERM, 1973.

No. 73-765.

INTERNATIONAL LADIES’ GARMENT WORKERS’

UNION, UPPER SOUTH DEPARTMENT, AFL-CIO,

Petitioner,

VS.

QUALITY MANUFACTURING COMPANY anpD

NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD.

ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES CCURT

OF APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT.

MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE BRIEF AMICUS CURIAE.

. “The Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America

respectfully moves, pursuant to Rule 42 of the Rules of this

Court for leave to file the attached brief amicus curiae in support

of the Employer, Quality Manufacturing Company.

This motion is directed only to the Quality case. With re-

spect to the case to be heard in tandem with Quality, National

Labor Relations Board v. J. Weingarten, Inc., both the Solicitor

(the Petitioner) and the Employer have consented to the Cham-

ber’s participation therein. In the Quality case, the Chamber

has received the Employer’s consent to participate.

Inasmuch as Weingarten and Quality present a common ques-

tion, the accompanying brief is directed. not only to the

Weingarten case, pursuant to the received consents, but also

is filed in the Quality case, contingent upon this Court’s granting

the Chamber’s motion to participate in that proceeding.

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The Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America

is a federation consisting of a membership of over} thirty-seven

hundred (3700) state and local chambers of commerce and

professional and trade associations, a direct business member-

ship in excess of thirty-eight thousand (38,000), and an under-

lying membership of approximately five million (5,000,000)

business firms and individuals. It is the largest association of

business and professional organizations in the United States.

In order to represent its members’ view on questions of im-

portance to their vital interests and to render such assistance as

it can to courts’ deliberations in such areas, the Chamber has

frequently participated as amicus curiae in a wide range of

significant labor relations matters before this Court and Courts

of Appeals. *

The instant proceeding, just as the companion Weingarten

case, is of particular concern to the Chamber’s members, as well

as to employers generally, since it involves a question of

theoretical significance in the administration of the National

Labor Relations Act which also has enormous practical im-

,portance in employers’ ability to manage their businesses

efficiently. The rule of law which the Board has applied in

this case reflects a view of the content and limits of Section 7

of the Labor Act which is both unprecedented and which

constitutes an impingement upon what has been considered a

legitimate exercise of management prerogatives. Thus, in de-

* E.g., N.L.R.B. Vv. Textron, Inc., .... US. ...., 85 LRRM

2945 (1974); Geduldig v. Aiello, et al., .... U.S. ...., 8 F.E.P.

Cases 97 (1974); Griggs v. Duke Power Company, 401 USS.

424 (1971); N.L.R.B. v. Granite State Joint Board, 409 U.S.

213, 34 L. Ed. 2d 422 (1972); Boy’s Markets v. Retail Clerks

Union, 398 U.S. 235 (1970); H. K. Porter Co. v. N.L.R.B. 397

U.S. 99 (1970); Sears Roebuck and Co. v. Carpet Layers, Local

419, 397 U.S. 655 (1970); Super Tire Engineering Co., et al. v.

McCorkle, et al., .... US. ...., 85 LRRM 2913 (April, 1974);

N.L.R.B. v. Mobil Oil Corp., 482 F. 2d 842 (1973); N.L.R.B. v.

Frank Visceglia and Vincent Visceglia t/a Peddie Buildings, ....

F. 2d ...., 86 LRRM 2541 (7A 3, 1974); Scott Hudgens v.

N.L.R..B., No. 73-3264 (CA 5, 1973).

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termining the extent to which employees may insist upon union

representation during private interviews, with management, this

Court will determine not only the validity of a rule, but the

validity of the Board’s approach to the‘#fiterpretation of Sec-

tion 7. Similarly, the resolution of this question will govern,

in an important respect, management’s ability to secure the

information from its employees which it requires effectively to

manage its business. Unlike some other questions of com-

parable theoretical interest, the issue’ posed here is one which

confronts all employers, regardless of their size or the nature

of their businesses, and arises with frequency in the regular

course of their managerial responsibilities.

Accordingly, the practical significance of the issue presented

here, together with the implications of the Board’s interpreta-

tion of the statute and the resulting problems which are created

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in the administration of the Act, impels the Chamber to submit’ ~~

its views for the consideration of this Court.

Inasmuch as the Chamber is filing in support of the Re-

spondent, Quality, it does not appear that the Petitioner has

been prejudiced by. the Chamber’s submission of its brief at

this time, Indeed, as stated, the Solicitor, the Petitioner in the

companion Weingarten case, similarly circumstanced with the

Petitioner in Quality, has expressly given such consent.

WHEREFORE, the Chamber respectfully urges the Court to

grant this Motion for leave to file the accompanying amicus

curiae brief. ‘

Respectfully submitted,

MILTON SMITH,

General Counsel,

RICHARD BERMAN,

Labor Relations Counsel,

Chamber of Commerce of the

United States of America,

1615 H Street, N. W., JERRY KRONENBERG,

Washington, D. C. 20006, Borovsky, Ehrlich & Kronenberg,

120 South LaSalle Street,

Chicago, Illinois 60603,

Attorneys for the Amicus Curiae.

Of Counsel:

COLE, ZYLSTRA &' "RAYWID,

2011 Eye ~~ N. W.,

Washington, D. Cc. 20006.

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TABLE OF CONTENTS.

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Interest of the Amicus Curiae ...........-e+eeeeeee: 2

Summary of the Argument ...........-..-+.-- nen 2

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The Board’s Recently Adopted Rule Entitling Employees

to Union Representation During Investigatory Interviews

with Management Personnel Is Contrary to the Design

and Objectives of the Act ...........eeeceeeeuees 5

A. The Board’s New Rule Reverses Twenty-Five Years

_ of Uniform Precedent and Contravenes Both Con-

gressional Intent and the Rationale of This Court’s

Textrot Dacia iin Cee gl ieee seins ses 6 5

B. The New Rule Is Illogical and Unworkable ...... 12

C. An Employee’s Request for Representation, at In-

vestigatory Interviews Involves a Personal Interest

and Not Protected, Concerted Action .......... 16

D. The Board’s Newly Adopted Rule Converts a Non-

Mandatory Subject of Bargaining Into an Unfair

Labor Practice and, Independently, Is Contrary to

Sound Policy and the Purposes of the Act ...... 19

Conclusion

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Montgomery Ward & Co., Inc., 146 NLRB 76 (1964)... 21

N.L.R.B. v. Exchange Parts Co., 375 U.S. 405 (1964)... 21

N.L.R.B. v. Neuhoff Bros., 376 F. 2d 372 (1967). ..... 21

N.L.R.B. v. Power Equipment Co., 313 F. 2d 438 (CA 6,

SORE nhs oc es 505s ee ERTS eed soar weee toy 21

N.L.R.B. v. Quality Manufacturing Company, 481 F. 2d

1018 (CA 4, 1973), denying enforcement of 195 NLRB

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N.L.R.B. v. Ross Gear and Tool Co., 158 F. 2d 607 (CA

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N.L.R.B. v. Washington Aluminium, 370 U.S. 9 (1962). 18, 19

N.L.RB. v. J.’ Weingarten, Inc., 485-F. 2d 1135 (CA 5,

1973) denying enforcement of 202 NLRB No. 69. ..2, 7, 18

‘Redcor Corp., 166 NLRB 1013 (1967). ............. 21

Texaco, Inc., Houston Producing Div., 168 NLRB 361

(1967) enf. den. 408 F. 2d 142 (CA‘5, 1969). ..... 9

Texaco, Inc., Los Angeles Sales Terminal, 179 NLRB 976

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United Aircraft Corp. v. N.L.R.B., 440 F. 2d 85 (CA 2,

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Wald Manufacturing Company, 176 NLRB 839 (1969)

aff'd 426 F. 2d 1328 (CA 6, 1970). .............. 8

- Western Electric Co., 198 NLRB No. 82 (1972). ...... 23

Statutes.

National Labor Relations Act, Section 203(d). . se eeeee 23

Miscellaneous.

SR-2382, CCH NLRB Paragraph 11,991 (1962). ..... 6

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TABLE OF AUTHORITIES CITED.

Cases.

Abex Corp., 162 NLRB 328 (1966).......... asics. oe

Allied Chemical & Alkali Workers of America v. Pittsburgh

Pube Ciaes Co. 406 US. 197 CIBTT). pv cceciccscks 19

Blade-Tribune Publishing Co., 161 NLRB 1512 (1966). 21

Bon-R Reproductions, Inc. v. N.L.R.B., 309 F. 2d 898

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Boys Markets Inc. v. Retail Clerks, 398 U. S. 235 (1970) 19

Central Hardware Co. v. N.L.R.B., 407 U.S. 539 (1972). 19

Chevron Oil Co., 158 NLRB 574 (1967). ........... 6,7

Collyer Insulated Wire, 192 NLRB No. 150, 77 LRRM

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Dayton Typographic Service, 176 NLRB 357 (1969)... 8

Escobedo v. State of Illinois, 378 U.S. 478. ........... 10

Essex Wire Corp., 188 NLRB No. 59 (1971). ........ 21

General Industries Electronics Co., 146 NLRB 1139

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General Industries Elec. Co., 152 NLRB 1029 (1965)... 21

racks, inc., 172 MLAB No. 253 CI9GB). 2. vccisanes 21

Illinois Bell Telephone, 192 NLRB No. 138, 78 LRRM

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Indiana Gear Works v. N.L.R.B., 371 F. 2d 273, 276

CEN 5 Pico n se sehen ORR had a ewes nesd eds 18

Jacobe Pearson Ford, Inc., 172 NLRB No. 84 (1968)... 8

Keifer & Keifer v. R. F. C., 306 U.S. 381 ............ 12

LaFayette Radio Electronics, 194-NLRB No. 77, 78

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Mobil Oil Corp., 196 NLRB No. 144 (1972) enforcement

denied 482 F. 2d 842 (CA 7, 1973). ............ 15, 18

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IN THE

Supreme Court of the Gnited States

OCTOBER TERM, 1974.

No. 73-1363.

NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD,

Petitioner,

vs.

J. WEINGARTEN, INC.

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ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF

APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT.

No. 73-765.

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INTERNATIONAL LADIES’ GARMENT WORKERS’

UNION, UPPER SOUTH DEPARTMENT, AFL-CIO,

P, titioner,

vs.

QUALITY MANUFACTURING COMPANY AND

NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD.

ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF

_APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT.

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BRIEF OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS

AMICUS CURIAE.

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The interest of the Chamber is set out in the foregoing

Motion for leave to file this amicus curiae brief.

SUMMARY OF THE ARGUMENT.

These cases present the common issue of whether the National

Labor Relations Act requires ah employer to permit an em-

ployee to have union represenfation at a fact finding investi-

gatory interview if the employee has reasonable grounds to

. believe that disciplinary action might result from the em-

ployer’s investigation. The courts below,’ reversing holdings

by the Labor Board, answered the presented question in the

negative. The Chamber contends that the decisions of the

courts below should be affirmed by this Court inasmuch as the

rule promulgated by the Board’s decisions below is illogical, un-

workable, and inconsistent with congressional intent and the de-

sign and objectives of the Labor Act.

This Court’s rationale in N.L.R.B. v. Textron, Inc., °..........

3h. ae , 85 LRRM 2945 (1974) endorses the Chamber’s

position. There, this Court held that the Labor Board cannot

summarily overturn years of uniform statutory construction, and

contrary to congressional intent, read a more restrictive mean-

ing into the Act. Contrary to Textron’s reasoning, the Board

in its Quality decision below enunciated a rule governing em-

ployees’ entitlement to union representation during interviews

1. N.L.R.B. v. Quality Manufacturing Company, 481 F. 2d

1018 (CA 4, 1973), denying enforcement of 195 NLRB 197;

N.L.R.B. v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 485 F. 2d 1135 (CA 5, 1973),

denying enforcement of 202 NLRB No. 69.

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with management which reversed established precedent, con-

travened congressional intent and the scheme of the Act and

imposed new restrictions upon employers. Thus, until its de-

cision in Quality below, the Board with court approval had

consistently held that the statutory rights of employees did not

include the right of union representation in pre-disciplinary in-

vestigatory interviews with management. In addition to over-

turning years of uniform statutory constructicn, the Board’s

new rule imposes new and rigorous restrictions upon employers

as they attempt to elicit information necessary to maintain

efficient operations. The presence of union representatives in

fact-finding interviews will frustrate and may well foreclose

the flow of formato that is required by employers if they

are to make/reasonable decisions with respect, inter alia, to

plant security, employee discipline, and work flow.

It is apparent that the Board’s long-standing rule concerning

the right to representation during investigatory interviews, rather

than ae rule it enunciated in Quality and followed in Wein-

garten, is consonant with the statute’s design and with con-

gressional purpose. The former rule had existed since at least

1947. Had Congress believed that the Board’s construction of

the Act constituted a misconception of congressional intent, it

could have effected a correction either in the subsequent Taft-

Hartley Amendments or in the Amendments of 1959. Further-

more, the new rule has manifold internal infirmities, which make

it unworkable and consequently an unreliable guide to conduct

as employers embark upon their many and varied interviews

with their employees. It should not be presumed that a rule

whose application is fraught with uncertainty is a manifestation

of Congress’s intent absent legislative expression endorsing such

a result. Such a pronouncement is, of course, not here present.

It follows from the foregoing that the Board’s new rule must

be rejected pursuant to this Court’s reasoning in the analogous

Textron case. The Board below has attempted to accomplish

what this Court has proscribed in Textron: it has promulgated

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a rule which overturned a history of uniform statutory construc-

tion, infused new restrictions upon employers as they engage in

daily, normal business operations and acted in a manner not

contemplated by Congress and contrary to the design of the Act.

Independently, the novel construction of the Act forged by

the Board below must be repudiated since it does not involve

concerted activity which is recognized and protected by the

Act. That is, an employee’s request for representation at an

investigatory interview involves merely an attempt to secure his

personal interest and therefore does not constitute concerted and

protected action. Thus, it has been judicially recognized that in

order to prove activity is concerted under Section 7, it is neces-

sary to demonstrate that the activity was for the purpose of

preparing for group action to correct a grievance or a complaint.

During a pre-disciplinary fact finding interview, no management

' decision affecting an*employee’s working conditions has trans-

pired, and therefore there has been no determination that could

serve as the basis for a grievance. It follows that a request for

representation during an investigatory interview is not made to

prepare for group action to correct a grievance or complaint.

Consequently, such a request is not activity that is recognized to

be concerted and protected by the Act.

Furthermore, since under established Board precedents a

union has no right to demand that it be present at such inter-

views, the nature of the interests to be protected at the interview

cannot be considered to be collective or concerted. Otherwise,

since a union is charged to preuect collective interests, an

employer would be statutorily compelled to permit its presence.

It is evident from the foregoing that the objectives of the Act

will not be served by recognizing the validity of the Board’s new

rule, and, accordingly, this Court is urged to repudiate it and

affirm the decisions of the courts below.

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ARGUMENT.

THE BOARD’S RECENTLY ADOPTED RULE ENTITLING

& EMPLOYEES TO UNION REPRESENTATION DURING IN-

VESTIGATORY ERVIEWS WITH MANAGEMENT PER-

SONNEL IS CONFRARY TO THE DESIGN AND OBJEC-

TIVES OF THE ACT.

A. The Board’s New Rule Reverses Twenty-five Years of

Uniform Precedent and Contravenes Both Congressional

Intent and the Rationale of This Court’s Textron Decision.

This Court in its Textron’ decision has held explicitly, and

the Chamber is contending, that the National Labor Relations

Board cannot summarily rever ears of uniform statutory

construction and, contrary to se eae intent, read a new

and more restrictive meaning into the Act.

It follows from the rationale underpinning Textron that the

_ Board has no warrant to hold, as it did below, that an employer

must permit an employee to have union representation during a

fact finding, predisciplinary interview whenever the employee

thinks he has reasonable ground to fear that disciplinary action

may result from the employer’s investigation. The holdings by

the Board below, analogous to the Board’s Textron decision,

represent a dramatic reversal of years of consistent statutory con-

struction, severely restrict an employer's ability to secure infor-

mation necessary to conduct his business and contravene Con-

gressional intent.* .

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2. N.L.R.B. v. Textron, Inc., supra.

3. As the court below in Quality aptly and correctly observed,

“never has it been thought, as the Board would hold here [in

Quality], that [an employce’s statutory rights] require an em-

ployer to permit an employee to have a union representative ~

present whenever the employee ‘has reasonable ground to fear

that the interview will adversely affect his continued employ-

ment, or even his working conditions’.” 481 F. 2d 1018, at 1024.

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From at least the time the Seventh Circuit decided N. L. R. B.

v. Ross Gear and Tool Co.,* in January, 1947, until the Board’s

decision in Quality below in January, 1972, the Board had ad-

hered to the proposition that employees were not statutorily en-

titled to the presence of their union representatives at manage-

ment interviews held to gather information er investigate facts;

employers were held neither to violate Section 8(a) (1) nor 8(a)

(5) by refusing to permit the union to be present until after

some decision was made which could become subject to the

parties’ grievance and arbitration machinery.

Thus, in an administrative decision of the General Counsel’s

office in 1962,° the General Counsel refused to issue a Com-

plaint in a situation where an employer prevented a union steward

from attending an interview whose purpose was to verify an

employee’s excuse for his absence from work. According to the

General Counsel. the statute created no duty on the employer

to permit union attendance at employee interviews until the em-

ployer’s investigation was completed. While this decision did not

come before the Board since no violation of law was found

warranting further proceedings, the Board did have an op-

portunity to confront the issue shortly thereafter in Chevron

Oil Co.® For purposes of the instant proceedings, Chevron Oil

was a particularly instructive case since the General Counsel

had apparently altered his view of the law as expressed in the

1962 administrative decision, and urged upon the Board: the

contention that an employer violates Section 8(a)(1) of the

Act by depriving an employee of union representation at a

management interview when there exists a possibility of discipline

resulting therefrom. The Board rejected the General Counsel’s

arguments and restated its conviction that the Act conferred no

such asserted right during the performance of management's

investigatory role. Not only did the Board precisely reject the

4. 158 F. 2d 607 (CA 7, 1947).

5. SR-2382, CCH NLRB Paragraph 11,991 (1962).

6. 168 NLRB 574 (1967).

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position there which it now asserts in the cases below, but it did

so specifically in the context of an 8(a) (1) charge.

In the instant proceedings the Board, in its brief in Weingarten

pages 24-26, seeks to distinguish its former contrary decisions,

such as Chevron Oil, by urging that it merely affirmed decisions

of law judges without any “considered analysis” and by asserting

that the prior decisions involved the question of unions’ rights to

be present at employee interviews pursuant to the bargaining

rights conferred in Section 8(a)(5), rather than, as here, em-

ployees’ right to representation as conferred in Section 7 and ,

violated in Section 8(a)(1). The Board’s attempt to justify

its new rule by “confessing” that for over 25 years it merely

rubber-stamped law judges’ decisions without analysis is startling

on its face. The Board is charged with deciding unfair labor

practice coftroversies arising under the Act. (Section 10(c)).

Accordingly, it is ‘presumed that the Board obeys its congres-

sional mandate. Therefore, a summary affirmance of a law

judge’s decision must necessarily constitute complete agreement

with that decision and its rationale. If the Board at its whim

may deny the precedential value of any decision where it has

affirmed a judge’s findings without significant comment, a

wholesale reevaluation of what may constitute Board precedent

will be necessary. This will result in chaos for those involved in

the labor-management field and produce a justifiable erosion of

public confidence in administrative tribunals. The Board’s ex-

planation therefore must fall because it is foreign to our admin-

istrative system and to sound labor policy.

In the Weingarten case then, the'Board’s effort to mask the

inconsistency of its current position is unavailing. Indeed, the

majority of the present Board ignored the teaching of its prede-

cessor which, in Chevron Oil, adopted the following conclusion

and rationale of the Law Judge:

“To be sure, Section 7 of the Act guarantees to em-

ployees the right to be represented by their collective bar-

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gaining representative in all areas pertaining to their terms

ard conditions of employment, and the penalty of suspen-

sion from work for alleged insubordination most assuredly

is encompassed within those terms and conditions. . . . But

this is not to say that a bargaining agent must be privy

to management councils, or that represented employees

must be shielded by that agent from company inquiries,

on each and every occasion when management embarks

upon an investigation to ascertain whether plant discipline

has been breached. . . . I fail to perceive how the exclusion

of Union Steward Kosmyna from those meetings intruded

upon the rights of employees or affected the Union’s repre-

sentative status’. . [or how] Respondent evaded any statu-

tory obligation by refusing to entertain the presence of a

union representative during the discussion of an alleged

rule infraction when no definite adverse action has as yet

been decided upon by Respondent.”* (Emphasis added).

In an unbroken line of cases, the Board has adhered to

the holding and rationale of Chevron Oil. The resulting rule

was adopted and followed in Jacobe Pearson Ford, Inc.,* Dayton

Typographic Service,” Wald Manufacturing Company,’® Texaco,

Inc. Los Angeles Sales Terminal," Illinois Bell Telephone,'*

and LaFayette Radio Electronics.* In all of these cases the

Board rejected claims that employees had a statutory entitlement

to the presence of union representation during investigatory inter-

views with management. :

In an instance in which the Board held the presence of such

representation to be proper, the predicate for that result was

the Board's conclusion that the purpose of the interview was

not investigatory, but was rather to develop evidence, following

7. 168 NLRB at 578.

8. 172 NLRB No. 84 (1968).

9. 176 NLRB 357 (1969).

10. 176 NLRB 839 (1969), aff'd 426 F. 2d 1328 (CA 6 1970).

11. 179 NLRB 976 (1969).

12. 192 NLRB No. 138, 78 LRRM 1109 (1971).

13. 194 NLRB No. 77, 78 LRRM 1693 (1971).

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a decision to impose discipline, to support the previously reached

determination."

Each of the cases decided after Chevron Oil cited that case

as governing authority. Each of them, therefore, may be con-

sidered to have adopted Chevron’s determination that neither

Section 7 nor Section 8(a)(5) constituted statutory warrant for

the union’s presence during pre-discipline interviews; nothing

stated by the Board in any of them suggested any disposition to

reach any other conclusion with respect to either the Section 7

or Section 8(a)(5) aspects of the Chevron decision.

A particularly instructive case is LaFayette Radio Electronics,

supra. This case, was decided only six weeks before the Board

determined, in Quality; to overturn the accepted and long-

established rule which was created by the decisions in the series

of cases discussed above. In LaFayette, the Board adopted the

Law Judge’s summary of the law as it had been forged during

at least the previous twenty-five years: ;

“. . . the principle appears to have evolved that the right

to union representation exists if the purpose of the meeting

between the employee and management is disciplinary; but

that the union has no right to be present if the purpose of

the meeting is fact finding or investigatory.”

It should be noted that the principle thus articulated is framed

in terms of the employee's “right to union representation” and

hence involves an interpretation of the content of Section 7 of

the Act; it does not represent, as the Board’s attempted distinc-

tion between its new and former rule would have it, a focus only

14. Texaco, Inc., Houston Producing Div., 168 NLRB 361

(1967), enf. den. 408 F. 2d 142 (CA 5, 1969), on the ground that

-employees’ right to union representation does not extend to all deal-

ings with the employer which may ultimately affect employment

conditions.

15. 194 NLRB 491, 492. It is evident that the Judge con-

sidered the principle involved to be based upon Board precedent even

though the Board may simply may affirmed previous Law Judges’

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on the union's role as bargaining agent under Section 8(a) (5).

Similarly of significance in LaFayette is the fact that the General

Counsel had sought from the Board a ruling granting employees

the right to union representation at all interviews with manage-

ment, whether investigatory or not, from which a decision to

effect any discipline might emerge. This effort, which appeared

to seek a rule analogous to that of this Court’s right-to-counsel

rule in Escobedo v. State of Illinois,“ was firmly rejected by

; the Board in favor of the above-quoted then existing and estab-

; lished legal standard.

The foregoing discussion of the evolution of the Board’s rules

: gives rise to two conclusions. First, the Board’s former rule

3 concerning employees’ right to union representation during

i investiPatory interviews stems at least from the time the Seventh

Circuit decided Ross-Gear & Tool Co. in early 1947. That deci-

sion predated the Taft-Hartley amendments to the Labor Act.

Had Congress believed that rule to constitute a misconception of ©

its statutory design, it could have effected a correction either in

: the subsequent Taft-Hartley amendments or in the amendments

j of 1959 or at any other time. On the contrary, despite so long a

history of uniform application of that rule there is no evidence

of Congressional displeasure with it. It would appear fair to

conclude, therefore, that the rule fairly expressed Congress’

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Second, where an administrative rule of law has become

Fi accepted and established over a long period of time, without

objection from the legislature body whose enactment gave rise

to it, the courts should be reluctant to accept a reversal of that

pie in the absence of a change in the statute. The justification of

such a reversal should constitute a heavy burden for the adminis-

trative body which seeks to impose it. In the instant cases, the

Board has offered no explanation for its action. As the court

below in Quality observed, the Board has failed to articulate

reasons for reversing years of uniform statutory interpretation.

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If the Board is to enlist judicial approval of its new interpretation

of the Act, it must demonstrate by compeling argument that

its novel construction is an accurate reflection of. Congressional -

design. The Board’s failure to advance such arguments requires

the rejection of its new interpretation of the Act.

Furthermore, as demonstrated above, the Board’s effort to

distinguish between Section 7 and Section 8(a) (5) rights in order

to avoid the appearance of conflict is not supported by its own

prior decisions. Nor is it rational to accept such a distinction-

after-the-fact. If all those employees who were held unentitled

to union representation over the past years could have achieved

a different legal result merely by arguing their cases differently

or relying on a different Section of the same statute/then surely

that point would have been made by the Board in some manner

in at least one of its prior decisions. That po such observation was

made is ample proof that in the instant cage the Board is indeed

advancing a new and inconsistent interpretation of the statute.

It cannot be doubted that this novel interpretation of the

Act will significantly restrict employers in their efforts to as-

certain facts necessary to make required management decisions

with respect, inter alia, to plant security and work rules. As will

be discussed in more detail in part D infra, the presence of union

Officials at fact finding interviews will frustrate, if not entirely

foreclose, the flow of information that management needs to

efficiently operate its business. Thus, similar to its attempt in

Textron, the Board below has imposed new restrictions upon

employers, contrary to congressional intent. In Textron the

Board had determined that all managerial employees are

covered by the Labor Act, except those whose participation

in a union would create a conflict of interest with their

job responsibilities. This Court, rejecting the Board’s hold-

ing, reasoned that it conflicted with long-standing Board prec-

edent which had excluded all managerial employees from the

Act’s coverage. This Court further recognized that the Board’s

decision diminished management’s necessary control over those

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congressional intent. Thus, the effect of the Board’s rule below

is similar to the result that the Board sought to accomplish in |

Textron. Both below and in Textron the Board overturned long-

standing precedent, infused new restrictions upon employers as

“they operated their busi s and contravened congressional

intent and the Act’s design.

In view of the rationale underlying. Textron and the arguments

urged above and hereinafter, the Board’s novel construction of

the Act must be rejected.

B. The New Rule Is Illogical and Unworkable. -

A fundamental ‘premise of sound legislative construction is

that Congress should not be presumed to have intended, or

/~ subsequently to approve, a statutory interpretation which is

logically and philosophically unsound.’* The subject rule, as an

interpretation by the Board of the latitude of Sections 7 and

8(a)(1) of the Act, is the product of such an interpretation.

This rule,—which provides that an employee who is called in

for any interview or discussion by management and who re-

quests union representation may not lawfully be denied such

representation so long as the employee has reasonable grounds

to fear the interview may adversely affect his working condi-

tions,—contains serious infirmities. |

Initially, a finding that the employer, by denying such a re-

quest, has violated the law is a function of what the employee

says and what the emplovee may suspect. Thus, curiously, the

employer’s violation of law may have nothing whatever to do

with what fe does or believes or intends, with whether his

object is anti-union or wholly altruistic. Since what an em-

ployee believes to be the employer’s intention or desire may

bear no relationship to fact,—as, for example, when the em-

ployee hears plant rumors which are both untrue and unknown

to the employer, a violation of this rule by an employer may

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result from an incorrect belief by-the employee in the presence

of non-existent intentions all unknown to and unknowable by

the violating employer.’

Just as this rule focuses on the conduct and attitudes of the

wrong persons, it also emphasizes the importance of the wrong

variables. For the portion of the rule which makes reference

to an employee’s “reasonable grounds” to fear an adverse con-

sequence of an interview with management presents its own

serious problems. What is objectively “reasonable” has no

necessary relationship to reality. The need to determine in

every instance of the application of this rule whether a given

employee reacted with objective reasonableness to the totality

of circumstances surrounding his situation will inevitably in-

volve inquiry into the private and hence subjective views of

each employee. What is “reasonable” to any given individual

depends not only on his knowledge and assessment of external

circumstances, but also on his knowledge of his personal situa-

tion and the relationship of the one to the other. Thus, for ex-

ample, whether an employee has a reasonable basis to fear disci-

pline as a result of interviews concerning damage to company

property must depend both upon the employee’s awarness of the

existence of damage and of his own responsibility or participa-

tion. Neither the employer nor the Board can really be sure of

the employee’s basis for reasonable fear in the absence of his

confession of guilt. On what basis, therefore, is the employer to

judge whether he must, under the rule, permit union represen-

tation? If the mere fact that an interview is to be conducted on

a matter warranting discipline is sufficient to cause reasonable

fear on the part of anyone interviewed, then the ‘tule’s focus

19. Of course, the employer may obviate his own difficulties

with this rule by ceasing to hold any employee interviews at all or

by permitting the union to be present at all times, thus forsaking

either the benefits to be derived from such meetings or an important

as of management’s right effectively and, where necessary, con-

fidentially to run its own administrative affairs in a non-discrimina-

tory manner. A => compel such a choice should not easily

be attributed to gress.

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on the concept of reasonable fear is a superfluity; the rule, in

that case, should merely require union representation at all

interviews. The Board does not go that far, of course, and thus

creates an impossible dilemma: the mere fact of the interview

alone does not give rise to an objective and reasonable fear of

adverse consequences, and the extent to which\the employee has

a genuine basis for fear, through discovery of his own culpa-

bility, cannot be known by the employer prior to the interview.

However, it is frequently at that tinfe that he must make his

decision whether to allow union representation. Thus, at least

as a general proposition, the rule cannot be rationally applied

on its own terms.

Indeed, the difficulty in applying it under any circumstances

can be demonstrated from an example cited by the Board itself,

in its Quality decision below, as an illustration of a clear case

when an employee would have no basis for seeking union

representation. The Board majority suggests that an inter-

view for the purpose of giving an empioyee “needed cor-

rections of work techniques” would not tend to produce a rea-

sonable fear of adverse consequences and the Board would not,

therefore, require an employer to permit union representation.

However, there are several problems inherent in this illustration.

First, the Board’s rule does not appear to require the employer to

disclose the precise purpose of the interview in advance, so that

an employee called to an interview may have no basis for know-

ing how “fearful” he should be of its consequences. May he

‘ compel the employer to state the exact purpose of a requested

interview before he,agrees to attend? Should he with impunity

be allowed to refuse to attend without such disclosure by his

employer? If an employee has’ committed a serious infraction

of the plant’s work rules and is called by management to an

interview whose purpose is not stated to him but, in fact, in-

volves another matter offering no jeopardy whatever, what are

his rights? On any objective standard, the employee has reason

to fear the consequences of the interview whereas the employer,

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having read the Board’s Quality décision, knows that the

Board believes there to be “no reasonable basis for [the em-

ployee] to seek the assistance of his representative” in the

interview which the employer wishes to-conduct. And, finally,

it is submitted that reasonable men can differ even with respect

to the substance of the illpstration the Beard majority cites as

being clear. For it appears to the amicus curiae that.even were

an employee to be informed prior to a requested interview that

its purpose was to correct his work techniques, he might well

have justifiable fear that the poor work performance which gave

rise to the need for the interview might also result in a transfer

to another job or another shift or to a probationary status pend-

ing improvement in his performance. A poor: worker inter-

viewed about his poor work techniques may thus have a more

substantial basis for a reasonable fear of adverse consequences

than another employee who is interviewed about a theft he did

not commit, yet the Board would presumably require the re-

quested presence of union representation only in the latter situa-

tion.

The Board's decision in Mobil Oil Corp., 196 NLRB No. 144

(1972), enforcement denied 482 F. 2d 842 (CA 7, 1973),

raising the same issue as is presented here, illuminates the weak-

nesses in its new rule. In that case employees Burnett, Smith,

Mathews and Hill were interviewed by the same management

personnel, for the same purpose, in the same manner and re-

ceived the same discipline for the same offense. Yet the dis-

charges of the first two were deemed unlawful because they

‘sought representation prior to or during their interviews, while

the discharges of the remaining two were considered proper

because they made no such request. However, the only em-

ployee of the four who was willing to sign a statement was Smith

who asserted his innocence throughout. He, presumably, had

no basis for fear or appeared to have none insofar as such

conduct evidences his state of mind. Yet his discharge was un-

lawful. Employee Mathews, who refused to sign any such state-

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ment but failed to seek the union’s presence was considered

permissibly discharged, although his conduct would appear to

suggest a more substantial basis for fear of discipline by manage-

ment. The implication of the Board’s decision in that case,is that

establishment of the existence of the required reasonable fear of

adverse consequences may reduce simply to whether the em-

ployee seeks the union’s presence and assistance. The disposition

of Smith’s case suggests that conclusion. This may well be the

only rational way to apply the rule, but it is nonetheless a dis-

tortion of the terms of the rule itself. A rule of law whose

sensible enforcement involves ignoring some of its own require-

ments should not be construed to comport with Congress’ intent

or design.

C. An Employee’s Request for Representation at Investigatory

Interviews Involves a Personal Interest and Not Protected,

Concerted Action.

The National Labor Relations Act protects employees’

concerted activity. An employee acting for himself and who

pursues interests which are personal and not shared by his fel-

low members of the bargaining unit does not, therefore, engage

in conduct which the Act was designed to protect. It is sub-

mitted that a request for union representation at an investi-

gatory interview seeks personal protection unallied to a protected

‘group or collective interest.

The body of law traced in the preceding sections of this brief

established, at a minimum, that a union as a functioning entity

has no right to demand to be present at investigatory interviews

of its members; that is, an employer would not violate Section

8(a)(5) of the Act by rejecting the union’s demand.”° Since

unions are charged with the duty of representing their members

20. The Board has not quarrelled with this conclusion. Rather,

the Board adopts it, arguing that the representational claim involved

here stems from employees’ rights under Section 7 and not from

unions’ rights under Section 8(a)(5).

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in matters in their collective interest, it appears to follow that in

the described line of cases the Board has already determined

that union representation at investigatory interviews is not re-

quired by any such collective interest; otherwise employers

surely would be compelled to permit the union’s presence.

In order to justify its findings below, the Board asks this

Court to adopt a conceptually untenable position: an employee

would be held to have a right to union. representation under the

language of Section 7, which guarantees him jpe right to engage

in “concerted activities for the purposes of collective bargaining

or other mutual aid or protection”, while the union’s statutory

inability to insist on being present negates the existence of a col-

lective bargaining purpose or concerted activity or any employee

effort to secure mutual aid. The Board cannot ineve it both ways.

If the interests or potential jeopardy of an employee at an in-

vestigatory interview do not rise to the level which would permit

his union representatives to involve themselves in his protection,

then, as a matter of logic and statutory design, the employee

himself cannot compel the union’s representation to protect the

very same interests. The extent of the interests to be protected,

the need for protection and the nature of the services which the

union can provide its members is the same whether the per- ©

formance of those services is sought to be invoked by the union

itself or by an employee whom it represents.

It follows, therefore, that the described representation sought

by an employee must constitute an effort to secure an individual —

or personal employment right which unions do not protect,

rather than a concerted one which they do protect. Whatever

may be the merit or wisdom in an eventual statutory recognition

of such rights in employment situations, it is clear that the Act

currently neither recognizes nor protects such alleged rights.

Unless Congress moves to confer them by amendment, the Act

may not be interpreted to cover them.

Accordingly, during investigatory interviews with manage-

ment,—a period prior to the engagement of the union’s au-

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thority to act on behalf of a member's interests,—requests for

representation involve unconcerted individual conduct, unpro-

tected by the Act. Mobil Oil Corporation v. N.L.R.B., 482 F.

2d 842 (CA 7, 1973); N.L.R.B. v. J. Weingarten, Inc., supra.

Furthermore, as the Seventh Circuit held, in order to prove

concerted activity under Section 7, “it is. necessary to demon-

strate {at least] that the activity was for the purpose of inducing

or preparing for group action to correct a grievance or a

complaint. Indiana Gear Works v. N.L.R.B., 371 F. 2d 273,

- 276 (1967). This decision is ‘consonant with the earlier

decision in that circuit, N.L.R.B. v. Ross Gear & Tool Co.,

158 F. 2d 607 (1947). Ross held that there is no statutory

right to representation at interviews not involving the presenta-

tion of a grievance. The Board’s decisions in these causes below

are clearly inconsistent with Indiana Gear and with Ross--That

is, during a fact finding interview no management decision

affecting an employee’s working conditions has been made, and

therefore there has been no decision that could serve as the basis

of a grievance. It follows that a request for representation during

an investigatory interview cannot have been made to prepare

for group action to correct a grievance; the tequest is accordingly

not “concerted activity” as that term has been traditionally used

when speaking of employee rights under the Act.!

21. The Petitioner’s reliance on N.L.R.B. v. Washington Alu-

minium (370 U.S. 9 (1962)) is wholly misplaced. There, the

activity—walking off the job—was traditiona! concerted activity

- initially and, therefore, entitled to the Act’s protection. Here, in

contrast, the request for representation during investigatory inter-

views does not involve concerted conduct, and accordingly, cannot

be protected by the Act.

Thus, as demonstrated in detail above, an employee’s request for

representation during an investigatory interview is not designed to-

prepare for group action to correct a grievance, since no manage-

ment decision to discipline the employee has been made. Further-

more, since under Board law a~ynion has no right to demand that

it be present at a fact finding interview, the nature of the interests

to be protected and the need for protection at such an interview

is not collective or concerted. Otherwise, since a union is charged

with protecting these interests, an employer would be compelled

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D. The Board’s Newly Adopted Rule Converts a Non-

Mandatory Subject of Bargaining Into an Unfair Labor

Practice and, Independently, Is Contrary to Sound Policy

and the Purposes of the Act.

A principal policy objective of the National Labor Relations

Act is to effect a balance between employees’ right to act in

concert for their mutual protection and employers’ right to

operate and manage their businesses effectively and without in-

terference.** The challenged rule of law which the Board has

applied to these cases creates an unnecessary and harmful im-

balance between these competing rights because it interferes

with employers’ ability to secure needed information while ac-

cording to employees rights which are not required for the

furtherance and protection of their legitimate interests.

by the Act to permit its presence. For these reasons, the request for

representation necessarily involves only non-concerted, unprotected

conduct and Washington Aluminium is therefore inapposite.

Washington Aluminium is not applicable for another and inde-

pendent reason. In that case there were at issue two separate and

distinct duties to the involved employees: a duty to bargain with

those employees; a duty not to discipline them. Each of these

duties existed independently from the other and each was enforced

by a specific section of the Act. Consequently, an employer might

breach one of these independent duties but not the other, as in

fact occurred in Washington Aluminium, and thus violate one statu-

‘tory provision but not the other.

Here, in contrast, there is at issue only a single duty: whether

an employer has a duty to employees to permit them to have

union representation during investigatory interviews with manage-

ment. Whatever the ultimate resolution of the issue in this case,

Washington Aluminium is not authority for the Petitioner’s con-

tentions.

22. Boys Markets, Inc. v. Retail Clerks, 398 U. S. 235 (1970);

Central Hardware Co. v. N. L. R. B., 407 U. S. 539 (1972). Sce

also Allied Chemical & Alkali Workers of America v. Pittsburgh

Plate Glass Co., 404 U. S. 157 (1971), in which this Court stated

that managerial judgments which threaten employees’ jobs are not

necessarily subject to bargaining: “Other considerations, such as the

effect on the employer's freedom to do business, may be equally

important.” 30 L. Ed. 2d at 358, n. 19. (Emphasis added.)

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The effective, efficient management of a business will fre-

quently require a company to engage in investigatory interviews.

Management's opportunity to make reasonable and appropriate

decisions with respect to numerous areas of its legitimate con-

cern, whether plant security, formulation and adherence to rules

and employee discipline, or problems of work flow, are subject to

its right to secure reliable information from employees. Were the

availability of that information to be curtailéd, a company’s ability

intelligently to make such decisions would severely be inhibited.

Yet the presence of union agents at every investigatory - inter-

view from which any employee, however mistakenly, feared some

adverse consequence would inevitably result in such a curtail-

ment of information. For the union agent’s representation of an

employee would likely take the form of a prohibition on giving

any information at all; this would be the clearest means for as-

suring that nothing would be said or revealed of possible harm.

Whether the union representative would recommend a total or

only partial refusal to cooperate is immaterial. The effect of

either course would tend to deprive management of essential

data unavailable from any alternative source. Similarly, man-

agement frequently requires information from its employees

promptly. If each request by management must be preceded

by a series of negotiations with the employee and his union as to

the nature of the interview, the areas of possible jeopardy and

the employee’s right to union representation, a form of industrial

chaos is invited,

Whereas the consequence of according judicial approval to

the rule urged by the Board would surely be to retard the flow

of information needed by management to carry out its obliga-

tion to run its business efficiently, the protections which would

thereby be accorded to empioyees exceed their reasonable re-

quirements. Where contractual grievance and arbitration pro-

visions exist, the substance of any adverse impact on employees

resulting from investigatory interviews becomes subject to full re-

view. It is true, of course, that an employee’s right with impunity

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to restrict management from obtaining information may result in

management’s inability to sustain the imposition of discipline

and thus obviate employees’ need to invoke the grievance-

arbitration machinery. While this would likely be one effect of

the judicial approval of the position urged by the Board below,

not even the Board has contended that Section 7 of the Act

should be read to insulate employees from the consequences

either of their improper conduct or of any conduct unrelated to

union or other statutorily protected activity. It is sufficient pro-

tection of an employee’s legitimate interests to afford him re-

course to his contractual remedies, as earnestly and actively

pursued by his collective bargaining representatives.

Where no such contractual protections exist, the provisions of

the National Labor Relations Act afford relief and redress from

any improper management conduct in connection with investi-

gatory interviews.** The Board has established a series of rules

protecting employees from management interviews which trench

on their statutory rights under Section 7. In addition to the

familiar general prohibitions against threats and promises of

benefit in connection with employees’ collective preference and

activity,** the Board, in a much litigated area of its jurisdic-

tion, has adopted rules specifically governing the isolated ques-

tioning and interviewing of employees.” The Board has always

23. Such statutory guarantees also exist where employees are

covered by the terms of a collective bargaining agreement. In those

circumstances, the further protections contained in the Board’s pro-

posed rule are doubly unwarranted.

24. See, eg., N. L. R. B. v. Exchange Parts Co., 375 U. S.

405 (1964); N. L. R. B. v. Neuhoff Bros., 376 F. 2d 372 (1967);

N. L. R. B. v. Power Equipment Co., 313 F. 2d 438 (CA 6, 1963);

General Industries Electronics Co., 146 NLRB 1139 (1964).

25. Essex Wire Corp., 188 NLRB No. 59 (1971); Heck’s Inc.,

172 NLRB No. 255 (1968); Redcor Corp., 166 NLRB 1013

(1967); Blade-Tribune Publishing Co., 161 NLRB 1512 (1966);

General Industries Elec. Co., 152 NLRB 1029 (1965); Montgomery

Ward & Co., Inc., 146 NLRB 76 (1964); United Aircraft Corp. v.

N. L. R. B., 440 F. 2d 85 (CA 2, 1971); Bon-R Reproductions, Inc.

v. N. L. R. B., 309 F. 2d 898 (CA 2, 1962).

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focused strongly on the protection of employees’ rights, as, for

example, in rendering unlawful questioning which places an

employee in the position of acting as an informer regarding the

protected conduct of his fellow employees.”®

The foregoing discussion leads to two independent conclu-

sions. First, the Board’s challenged rule in actuality properly

constitutes a non-mandatory subject of bargaining under the

rationale of this Court in Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co., supra. This

Court there held that unless a subject will “settle an aspect of the

relationship between the employer and the employees” and unless

its impact on their working conditions is significant and not

merely “speculative,” the employer is under no duty to bargain

and may act unilaterally with respect to that subject. In the

instant case, for the reasons cited in Ross Gear and Tool Co.

and its progeny, no employee interest or right warrants or per-

mits a union’s involvement until there exists some decision by

management which could serve as the basis for a grievance.

The Board itself has taken the view that unions have no role to

play, pursuant to the bargaining rights granted them in Section

8(a)(5) of the Act, during investigatory interviews. It follows

that if no union response is appropriate, or if such a response is

premature, then there is not involved an issue which will “settle

an aspect of the [parties’] relationship”. When, in addition,

there exists only a “speculative” need for the union’s involve-

ment, as during investigatory interviews where no decision has

* been made substantially affecting any employee’s working con-

ditions, then there is clearly satisfied ihe Mllresseas for the

existence of a non-mandatory bargaining subject. This is par-

ticularly true where, as here, there also exist important man-

agement interests requiring unilateral action. It is submitted that

if the union’s presence during purely investigatory interviews is

not a mandatory subject of bargaining, then management’s re-

fusal to permit such a presence cannot constitute an unfair

“labor practice. Of course, the parties. may choose to negotiate

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the subject, as in Western Electric Co., 198 NLRB No. 82

(1972), and thus become bound to their contractual commit-

ments. However, absent such a voluntary act, there exists no

right whose denial gives rise to unlawful conduct.

Independently of the question wheiher a union’s presence at

purely investigatory interviews constitutes a non-mandatory

bargaining subject, the same considerations urged on behalf of

that result also support the conclusion that as a matter of sound

policy the rule involved herein be rejected by this Court as

effecting an unnecessary imbalance between management’s

legitimate interests and employees’ legitimate needs.

Thus, available contractual and statutory remedies are more

than adequate to protect employees from the invasion by em-

ployers of their legitimate interests during investigatory intcr-

views. Since the information derived from such interviews is

essential to employers’ ability to manage, and since twenty-five

years of experience demonstrates the sufficiency-of the Board’s

former rule in safeguarding the interests of all parties, the Board’s

current effort to amend that rule should be judicially rejected.

In addition to causing an imbalance in the proper resolution

of conflicting interests, the Board’s newly adopted rule is incon-

sistent with Section 203(d) of the Labor Act and subsequent

developments in Board law which implemented that Section.

Section 203(d), in pertinent part, provides as follows:

“Final adjustment by a method agreed upon by the parties

is hereby declared to be the desirable method for settle-

ment of grievance disputes arising over the application or

interpretation of an existing collective bargaining agree-

ment.”

In the instant cases the parties have, through negotiation, agreed

to final and binding arbitration to adjust disputes such as oc-

curred in these cases. It would appear that adherence to the

Congressional will codified in Section 203(d) would dictate that

the Board leave to the parties’ agreed contractual procedures

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earlier decision in Western Electric, supra, indicated the Board’s

disposition to do so. The body of law which the Board has

evolved as a consequence of its decision in Collyer Insulated

Wire," in which the Board announced its intention to defer

to the parties’ mutually chosen contractual remedies, con-

stituted a similar instance in which the Board gave effect to the

legislative mandate contained in Section 203(d). Therefore,

application by the Board in these cases of its current interpreta-

tion of. Section 7 ignores the parties’ agreement, violates Section

203(d) and conflicts with its own decisions in Western Electric

and Collyer.

While in the cases below, for reasons urged supra, the Board

may not alter long-standing precedents and now require an

employer t6 permit union representation during investigatory

interviews, there exists an independent reason for this Court to

repudiate these Board decisions. In Quality the Board has en-

gaged in the meritricious practice of retroactively imposing its

new rule so that an employer’s conduct, lawful before the is-

suance of that decision pursuant to rules then in effect, was

rendered illegal because of that decision. This practice must be

discouraged by this Court if the administrative process is to

enjoy the respect and esteem necessary for it to function properly.

Accordingly, and apart from all other matters relating to the

legitimacy of the rule the Board would impose in these cases,

this Court is urged to reject the Board’s attempt to convert

retroactively into unlawful conduct efforts to observe existing

rules which were lawful n pursued.

27. 192 NLRB No. 150, 77 LRRM 1931 (1971).

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CONCLUSION.

For the reasons stated herein, together with these raised by

the employers, this Court is urged to declare that the rule of law

adopted by the Board and challenged here is the product of an

impermissible construction of the Act, and to affirm the decisions

of the courts below.

Respectfully submitted,

MILTON SMITH,

General Counsel,

RICHARD BERMAN,

Labor Relations Counsel,

Chamber of Commerce of the

' United States of America,

1615 H Street, N. W., JERRY KRONENBERG,

Washington, D. C. 20006, Borovsky, Ehrlich & Kronenberg,

120 South LaSalle Street,

Chicago, Illinois 60603,

Attorneys for the Amicus Curiae.

Of Counsel:

COLE, ZYLSTRA & RAYWID,

2011 Eye Street, N. W.,

Washington, D. C. 20006.

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