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No. 01-1107

; In The

Supreme Court of the United States

COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA,

Petitioner.

v.

BARRY ELTON BLACK, RICHARD J. ELLIOTT,

AND JONATHAN O’MARA,

Respondents.

SJ

On Writ Of Certiorari

To The Supreme Court Of Virginia

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JOINT APPENDIX

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RopNEY A. SMOLLA JERRY W. KILGORE

Counsel of Record Attorney General of Virginia

T.C. WILLIAMS SCHOOL WILLIAM H. HuRD

or LAW State Solicitor

University of Richmond Counsel of Record

Richmond, Virginia 23173 yqaupeen R. MATSEN

(804) 289-8197 WILLIAM E. THRO

Deputy State Solicitors

REBECCA K. GLENBERG ALISON P. LANDRY

Legal Director, CHRISTY A. MCCORMICK

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES Assistant Attorneys General

UNION OF VIRGINIA 900 East Main Street

Richmond, Virginia 23219

(804) 786-2436

(804) 371-0200 (fax)

Counsel for Petitioner

6 North Sixth Street,

Suite 400

Richmend, Virginia 23219

(804) 644-8080

Counsel for Respondents

[Additional Counsel Listed On Inside Cover]

Petition For Certiorari Filed January 24, 2002

Certiorari Granted May 28, 2002

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DAVID P. BAUGH

SARA G. DAVIS

LAW OFFICES oF DAVID P. BAUGH

233 South Cherry Street

Richmond, Virginia 23241

(804) 643-8111

KEVIN E. MARTINGAYLE

STALLINGS & RICHARDSON, P.C.

2101 Parks Avenue, Suite 801

Virginia Beach, Virginia 23451

(757) 422-4700

Counsel for Respondents

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

Page

Relevant Docket Entries — Barry Elton Black................... l

Relevant Docket Entries — Richard J. Elliott..................... 3

Relevant Docket Entries — Jonathan Stephen O’Mara .......... 5

Commonwealth v. Barry Elton Black:

In the Circuit Court of Carroll County:

Letter Opinion (March 18, 1999) (denying

EEE 7

Trial Transcript (June 23, 1999)..................cc:ccccceceeees 12

Photographs of Scene (Commonwealth’s Exhib-

EE ae 190

Relevant Jury Instructions and Verdict Form ......... 194

Order (June 28, 1999) (conviction and sen-

CC E————E— 198

Opinion, Court of Appeals of Virginia.......................... 201

Commonwealth v. Richard J. Elliott:

In the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach:

Hearing Transcript, Commonwealth v. Jona-

than Stephen O’Mara and Commonwealth of

Virginia v. Richard J. Elliott (January 20,

SILL 202

Order (January 25, 1999) (denying motion to

EEE 224

Trial Transcript, Excerpts (February 22, 1999) ....... 225

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Relevant Jury Instructions.............------+. eek

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Order (May 6, 1999) (imposing SENTENCE) .......---+0+++

Commonwealth v. Jonathan Stephen O’Mara:

In the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach:

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Order (May 6, 1999) (imposing sentence) ...........++++

Opinion of the Court of Appeals of Virginia -

(consolidating Elliott and O’Mara | ee

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inion of the Supreme Court o

(consolidating Black, Elliott and O’Mara cases) .........

Newspaper articles cited by Supreme Court of

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RELEVANT DOCKET ENTRIES

COMMONWEALTH v. BARRY ELTON BLACK

In the Circuit Court of Carroll County:

November 16, 1998 Warrant

November 16, 1998 Motion to Dismiss Alleging the

Unconstitutionality of Section

18.2-423 with Supporting Mem-

orandum of Law

December 7, 1998 indictment — Burning a Cross

with the Intent to Intimidate

December 21, 1998 Motion to Dismiss Indictment

January 27, 1999 Transcript of Preliminary Hear-

ing 11/13/98

February 4, 1999 Order — Motion Hearing 1/27/99

(denying defendant's motion to

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February 17, 1999 Transcript Hearing 1/27/99

June 23, 1999 Jury Instructions

June 23, 1999 Jury Verdict

June 23, 1999 Punishment Verdict

June 28, 1999 Order - Jury Verdict [and sen-

tencing] 6/23/99

July 7, 1999 Notice of Appeal

August 23, 1999

Transcript of Jury Trial, 6/23/99

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In the Court of Appeals of Virginia:

July 12, 1999 Notice of Appeal

October 15, 1999 Petition for Appeal

December 19, 2000

January 26, 2001

Order [affirming trial court)

Petition for Appeal to the Su-

preme Court of Virginia

In the Supreme Court of Virginia:

January 17, 2001

April 16, 2001

November 2, 2001

Petition for Writ of Appeal

Order Granting Writ of Appeal

Opinion of the Supreme Court

of Virginia

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RELEVANT DOCKET ENTRIES

COMMONWEALTH v. RICHARD J. ELLIOTT

In the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach:

May 27, 1998

August 21, 1998

"October 21, 1998

"October 23, 1998

November 4, 1998

‘January 20, 1999

January 25, 1999

February 22, 1999

February 23, 1999

February 25, 1999

February 25, 1999

April 30, 1999

May 6, 1999

June 25, 1999

Warrant of Arrest

Grand Jury Indictment

Defendant O’Mara’s Motion to

Dismiss Indictment

Defendant Elliott’s Motion to Join

in O’Mara’s Motion to Dismiss

Indictment

Memorandum of Law in Support

of Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss

Transcript of Hearing on Motion

to Dismi

Order [denying defendant’s mo-

tion to li . . di ’ t]

Jury Instruction

Jury Verdict

Criminal Order [trial on 2/22/99,

continuance]

Criminal Order [conclusion of

trial on 2/23/99, conviction]

Notice of Appeal

Sentencing Order

Notice of Tending of Transcript

” Indicates items appearing in record, but not on clerk’s docket

sheet.

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In the Court of Appeals of Virginia:

April 30, 1999 Notice of Appeal

September 27, 1999 Petition for Appeal

October 3, 2000 Order and Opinion of Court [af-

. firming irial court)

October 5, 2000 Petition for Rehearing and Re-

hearing en banc

Decem , 2000 Order [denying petition for re-

sales hearing and rehearing en banc]

December 21 and 22, 2000 Notice of Appeal to the Supreme

Court of Virginia

In the Supreme Court of Virginia:

December 22, 2000 Petition for Writ of Appeal

April 16, 2001 Order Granting Writ of Appeal

November 2, 2001 Opinion, Supreme Court of

Virginia

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RELEVANT DOCKET ENTRIES

COMMONWEALTH v. JONATHAN STEPHEN O’MARA

In the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach:

May 23, 1998 Warrant of Arrest

July 24, 1998 Grand Jury Indictment

October 22, 1998 Motion to Dismiss

‘January 20, 1999 Hearing on Motion to Dismiss

January 25, 1999 Order [denying defendant's mo-

tion to dismiss indictment]

February 22, 1999 Plea Agreement

February 25, 1999 Criminal Order

April 26, 1999 hice of Appeal

May 6, 1999 Sentencing Order

June 6, 1999 Notice of Filing of Transcripts

In the Court of Appeals of Virginia:

April 29, 1999 Notice of Appeal

September 9, 1999 Petition for Appeal

October 3, 2000 Order and Opinion of Court

(affirming trial court]

October 12, 2000 Petition for Rehearing en banc

December 13, 2000 Order [denying petition for re-

hearing en banc]

December 22, 2000 Notice of Appeal to the Su-

preme Court of Virginia

” Indicates items appearing in record, but not on clerk’s docket

sheet.

In the Supreme Court of Virginia:

January 8, 2001 Petition for Writ of Appeal

April 16, 2001 Order Granting Writ of Appeal

November 2, 2001 Opinion, Supreme Court of

Virginia

TWENTY-SEVENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT

OF VIRGINIA

(LOGO)

Commonwealth of Virginia

[Name And Address Omitted In Printing]

March 18, 1999

[Filed Aug. 31, 1999]

Mr. David P. Baugh

Attorney at Law

223 South Cherry Street

P. O. Box 12137

Richmond, Virginia 23241

Mr. Gregory G. Goad

Commonwealth Attorney

County of Carroll

P. O. Box 280

Hillsville, Virginia 24343

Re: Commonvwealth of Virginia versus Barry E. Black

Case Number 98-8954

Dear Counselors:

Please be advised that I have reviewed all of the memo-

randums filed in this cause, both in the General District

Court and in the Circuit Court, on behalf of each of the

parties, and the Amiscus [sic] Curiae brief filed in support

of the defendant’s position in this matter, and I have given

due consideration thereto.

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The issue before the Court is the motion to dismiss the

indictment against the defendant, Barry E. Black, upon

the ground that Section i8.2-423, Code of Virginia is

unconstitutional and violates the freedom of speech

violations of the First Amendment of the United States

Constitution, and Article I, Section 12 of the Virginia

Constitution. In support of tha. notion, the defendant

alleges as follows:

1. Section 18.2-423 discriminates on the basis of content

and viewpoint and is unconstitutional under the doctrine

of R. A. V. v. City of St Paul.

2. Section 18.2-423 does not incorporate the requirement

that the speech at issue be directed to the incitement of

imminent lawless action and likely to produce such action,

and as such is unconstitutional under the standard of

Brandenburg v. Ohio.

3. The prima facie evidence standard of Section 18.2-423

creates an unconstitutional presumption.

4. Section 18.2-423 is «nconstitutionally vague and

overbroad.

Rather than discuss the issues in the chronology set forth

above, the court has determined that it would be appropri-

ate to consider them, to the extent necessary, in reverse

order. I have chosen this approach since the ultimate

reviewing authority, the United Sates Supreme Court, has

held that in construing ordinances that Court is bound by

the construction given to it by the State Court. R. A. V. v.

City of St. Paul, Minn., 505 U.S. 377, 381; 112 S.Ct. 2538,

2542 (1992). First it is noted for the record that the Com-

monwealth in this case is represented, not only by the

local Commonwealth Attorney, Gregory G. Goad, but also

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by John McLees, from the Office of the Attorney General of

the Commonwealth of Virginia. The Court is of the opinion

that the arguments set forth in the memorandums filed on

behalf of the Commonwealth represents not only the

official position of the Commonwealth Attorney of Carroll

County, but also the Attorney General’s Office of the

Commonwealth of Virginia. Throughout the lower court

proceedings and in the current proceedings in the Circuit

Court, the Commonwealth has maintained the gravaman

[sic] of the offense is intimidation in that Code Section

18.2-423' criminalizes on the burning of a cross “with the

specific intent to intimidate”, (Comm. Brief Gen. Dist. Ct.,

Page 3 and Comm. Brief, Cir.Ct., Page 3). In addition, in

support of its response to the allegation that the section is

vague and overboard its position is that “intimidation” as

used in such statutes, means putting one in fear of bodily

harm and further that statutory construction would

require this Court to construe the word narrowly, (Comm.

Supplemental Brief, Page 10).

In responding to the defendant’s allegation that the prima

facie provision of the statute creates an unconstitutional

presumption, the Commonwealth concedes that “the

‘prima facie’ provision does not preclude review by a case-

by-case basis of whether the defendant did in fact intend

to intimidate others by his act of cross burning. On the

' Section 18.2-423, Code of Virginia, states: It shall be unlawful for

any person or persons, with the intent of intimidating any person or

group of persons, to burn, or cause to be burned, a cross on the property

of another, a highway or other public place. Any person who shall

violate any provision of this section shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

Any such burning of a cross shall be prima facie evidence of an

intent to intimidate a person or group of persons.

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contrary, it requires such review. It merely establishes that

a reasonable inference of such intent can be drawn from

cross-burning. The ultimate burden of persuasion of intent

to intimidate always rests upon the Commonwealth. Thus,

it is always open to the defendant to contest the issue of

whether that intent existed, and the burden is on the

Commonwealth to prove such intent, as a matter of fact,

beyond a reasonable doubt, and without regard to whether

the defendant has presented evidence on that issue or

not”. (Comm. Supplement Brief, Page 9).

The Commonwealth concludes by stating “It is clear from

reading the law that, notwithstanding the ‘prima facie’

provisions, the ultimate burden is still on the Common-

wealth to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the

defendant actually intended to intimidate others by his

actions”.

This Court accepts the Commonwealth’s position that the

Code Section 18.2-423 reaches only the crime of intimida-

tion when an accused actually intended to intimidate

others by his actions, such limitation saves the statute

from being a proscription of speech in violation of the First

Amendment and Article 1, Section 12 of the Virginia

Constitution. The narrow application of the provisions of

the above referenced section can be adequately addressed

by appropriate instructions to the jury and well defined

perimeters with regard to admission of evidence to the

very limited and precise criminal act defined therein.

Accordingly, the defendant’s Motion to Dismiss the indict-

ment is denied. I request that Mr. Goad contact Mr. Baugh

to arrange a suitable date to proceed with the trial of this

case.

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I commend both of you gentlemen on the time, effort and

excellent memorandums which you submitted to the Court

in support of your respective positions.

With best regards.

Yours very truly,

/a/ Duane E. Mink

Duane E. M’nk

DEM:nc

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[1] VIRGINIA: IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF CAR-

ROLL COUNTY

COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, _ | CR98-461

Plaintiff,

vs.

BARRY ELTON BLACK,

Defendant.

SSSSSSSSSSKSESESESRSESSESSESESESSEE

TRIAL BY JURY

anne

Hillsville, Virginia

June 23, 1999

[2] VIRGINIA: IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF CAR-

ROLL COUNTY

COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, | CR98-461

Plaintiff,

vs.

BARRY ELTON BLACK,

Defendant.

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Report of all the testimony, together with the motions,

objections, and exceptions on the part of the respective

parties, the action of the court in respect thereto and other

incidents of the trial held in the case of the Common-

wealth of Virginia, Plaintiff, vs. Barry Elton Black, Defen-

dant, tried at Hillsville, Virginia, on the 23rd day of June,

1999, before the Honorable Duane E. Mink, Judge of the

Circuit Court of Carroll County, Virginia.

[3] APPEARANCES

For the Commonwealth of Virginia:

GREGORY G. GOAD

CARLA “™ ZLINS

Commonwealth’s Attorney for Carroll County

P.O. Box 280

Hillsville, Virginia 24343-0280

(540) 728-7082

JOHN McLEES

WILLIAM HURD

Office of the Attorney General

900 E. Main Street

Richmond, Virginia 23219

(804) 786-4624

For the Defendant:

DAVID P. BAUGH

SARA G. DAVIS

David P. Baugh, PC

P. O. Box 12137

Richmond, Virginia 23241

(804) 643-8111

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Court Reporter:

DEBBIE A. WILSON

Blue Ridge Court Reporting, Inc.

P. O. Box 251

Galax, Virginia 24333-0251

(540) 236-9426

[4] INDEX

GUILT PHASE OF THE TRIAL:

ARRAIGNMENT OF THE DEFENDANT

JURY PANEL CALLED, VOIR DIRE and

JURORS SEATED

PRELIMINARY INSTRUCTIONS TO THE

JURY '

OPENING STATEMENTS

By Mr. Goad

By Mr. Baugh

WITNESSES CALLED ON BEHALF

OF THE COMMONWEALTH:

SHERIFF H. WARREN MANNING

Direct Examination by Mr. Goad

Cross Examination by Mr. Baugh

FIRST SERGEANT RICHARD C. CLARK, JR.

Direct Examination by Mr. Goad

Cross Examination by Mr. Baugh

10.

52.

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REBECCA SECHRIST

Direct Examination by Mr. Goad

Voir Dire Examination by Mr. Baugh

Continued Direct Examination by Mr. Goad

Cross Examination by Mr. Baugh

Re-Direct Examination by Mr. Goad

Direct Examination by Mr. Baugh

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INSTRUCTIONS PREPARATION

THE COURT'S INSTRUCTIONS TO THE

JURY

CLOSING ARGUMENTS

By Mr. Goad

By Mr. Baugh

By Mr. Goad

VERDICT OF THE JURY - GUILT PHASE

SENTENCING PHASE OF THE TRIAL:

INSTRUCTIONS PREPARATION

THE COURT'S INSTRUCTIONS TO THE

JURY

OPENING STATEMENTS

By Mr. Goad

By Mr. Baugh

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EVIDENCE STIPULATION OF THE

PARTIES

228.

(6) CLOSING ARGUMENTS

By Mr. Baugh 231.

By Mr. Goad 233.

VERDICT OF THE JURY - SENTENCING

PHASE 235.

* . *

MOTIONS MADE

By Mr. Goad 11, 5S, 60.

By Mr. McLees 37.

By Mr. Baugh 60, 95, 106, 107, 116,

152, 153, 156, 164, 237, 240

OBJECTIONS NOTED

By Mr. Goad 116, 24, 26, 28, 32, 40, 43, 44, 45,

94, 95, 117, 130, 138, 159, 160, 161.

By Mr. McLees 96, 98, 129, 171, 172

By Mr. Baugh 37, 41, 44, 45, 46, 83, 85, 87,

115, 127, 128, 129, 133, 135, 137,

153, 166, 170, 205, 209, 210, 237.

EXCEPTIONS NOTED

By Mr. Baugh 116, 133, 156, 161, 168, 172, 210.

CERTIFICATION OF THE RECORD ON

APPEAL 244.

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(7) EXHIBITS ENTERED IN THE CASE

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #1, a photograph

of the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia,

is received and filed as a part of the Court record in

GD I cerncccnnatanetccnnnnnitinaiienttertmenenememnnene 74

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #2, a photograph

of the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia,

with a mark at the approximate placement of the

cross, is received and filed as a part of the Court

I ccrccsnremennteentemenengnneen 75

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #3, a photograph

of the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia,

with a mark at the approximate placement of the

Sheriffs car, is received and filed as a part of the

court record in this Case .................ccccseccssseceseeereeeeees 75

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #4, a photograph

of the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia,

is received and filed as a part of the Court record in

BGI cicccccdctncinnsscntncsnensenesstinnmnscensustmemaresseeeeen 75

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #5, the written

stipulation of the parties of the Defendant Barry

Elton Black’s prior criminal record, is received and

filed as a part of the Court record in this case.......... 229

[8] HILLSVILLE, VIRGINIA. JUNE 23, 1999. 9:00 A.M.

(Court Reporter is sworn to take down and transcribe

the proceedings in this case faithfully and accurately to

the best of her ability and to be subject to the control and

discipline of the Court.)

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IN THE COURT'S CHAMBERS - OUT OF THE

PRESENCE OF THE JURY

[Present are the Court, the Clerk, the Court Reporter,

Mr. Goad, Ms. Collins, Mr. McLees, Mr. Hurd, Mr. Baugh,

Ms. Davis, and the Defendant, Barry Elton Black.]

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, I have advised the

Defendant of his right to be present during bench confer-

ences and chambers conferences and under Rogers vs.

United States, he’s elected to waive his right to be present.

THE COURT: Oh, really? All right. Of course,

you have every right to be present throughout, you know.

MR. BLACK: Yes, sir. I understand, but I have

all confidence in my lawyer. There’s no sense in me, [9]

because it’s, it’s, but all, 'm a layman and it would be

things I probably wouldn’t understand anyway.

THE COURT: All right. I prefer to have you

present, but if you would rather be some place else . . .

MR. BLACK: Well, if you would prefer to have

me present, I'll stay, sir.

THE COURT: All right. The case on the docket

for today is Commonwealth of Virginia versus Barry Elton

Black. Is the Commonwealth ready for trial today?

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir. We are.

THE COURT: And is the Defendant ready?

MR. BAUGH: The defense is ready, Your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. Let’s see. We can either

have the arraignment back here before we go out front or

we can go out front and have it done in open court. I have

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elected to keep the jury on the third floor in the General

District Court and just call the, call them up as we need

them and we'll start with twenty (20), of course, in the

beginning and then we'll send, send for the others. So with

that procedure, I don’t think it matters much - whether

we do it back here in chambers or whether we do it in open

court, eventually we'll have to tell the [10] jury in open

court who the Defendant is and the charges against him

and what his plea is.

MR. BAUGH: I have no objection to arraigning

him in chambers.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. BAUGH: My counsel, my client has re-

viewed the charge, he knows the elements, he would waive

formal reading and ask the Court to enter a plea of nct

guilty. He would demand trial by jury.

THE COURT: Very well. Then before I accept

your, the waiver of the reading of the indictment, the

arraignment is simply reading the indictment orally to you

either here in chambers or in open court and letting you

make a formal plea of guilty or not guilty. Do you join in

the waiver just presented by your attorney?

MR. BLACK: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: And is it your request to be tried

by a jury?

MR. BLACK: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: All right. And you fully under-

stand the charge?

MR. BLACK: Yes, sir.

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[11] THE COURT: All right. Then before we go

out and select our jury, is there anything we need to take

up in chambers?

MR. BAUGH: Two (2) things — one (1) is a

motion in limine I’ve just been served. I will halfway

concede with my opponent, so — “that the Court previously

ruled that Virginia Code Section $18.2-423 is constitution-

ally valid, therefore the undersigned asks the Court to

prohibit the Defendant from arguing to the jury the consti-

tutional issue and to refrain from arguing the Defendant

was exercising his right to free speech” — I agree that it

would be improper to ask the jury to rule on the constitu-

tionality of the statute. I do believe it is within the Defen-

dant’s right to argue that it is a free speech issue and he is

exercising his right to free speech. He’s saying this be-

cause he wants to say it and he believed that it was

protected. I believe that is, if nothing else, mitigating and

it should be argued.

THE COURT: Mr. Commonwealth, why do you

think the last portion of that — the right of free speech —

would be improper to argue to this jury?

MR. GOAD: It would be our position that when

[12] the Court upheld the statute, he essentially said that

this is, the issues in this case are not constitutional in

nature, when it upheld the statute, and therefore it would

be improper for them to bring the Constitution issue back

into it in consideration of the Court’s prior ruling.

THE COURT: Well, theyre not going to, as I

understand it, they're not going to mention the constitu-

tional, the constitutionality of the statute.

MR. BAUGH: That’s exactly right.

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THE COURT: But why wouldn’t it be mitigation

if he feels he was exercising free speech and not for the

purpose of intimidating, isn’t that the whole thing? That

it’s, the statute says that if you do this, you’re doing it

with the inference at least that it’s for the purpose of

intimidating? Doesn’t, does he ‘ust have to admit that he’s

. intimidating? Doesn’t he have the right to try to explain

why, why he was doing it?

MR. GOAD: Yes. He does, but I don’t think he

has the right to say it’s freedom of speech.

THE COURT: Anything else?

MR. GOAD: Judge, of course, what is an issue is

whether there was an intent to intimidate. If he didn’t [13]

have the intent to intimidate, then he’s not guilty, so I

don’t think that freedom of speech would apply there and

so far as mitigation, that would only be in the punishment

phase and he can argue that in the punishment phase.

THE COURT: Mr. Baugh?

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, mitigation is also,

there’s mitigation of the elements and there’s mitigation of

punishment and it’s my position that he, he is mitigating

his guilt by arguing that he was under the impression or

my arguing that he was under the impression that he was

making a statement that he thought was lawful. The jury

will decide whether or not it’s in conformity with the law,

but I would say that it is permissible and the Defendant

does have the right to free speech whether this statute is

constitutional or not, he still enjoys the right to free

speech and I don’t think the Court can take that issue

from the jury.

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I'm not arguing the legality of it, [m arguing the

factual validity of it.

THE COURT: Anything else?

MR. GOAD: Just that the freedom of speech is

separate from intimidation of others and then again I, [14]

mitigation is punishment, not guilt. He’s either guilty or

not guilty. There’s no mitigation of it.

THE COURT: Well, I don’t think the Common-

wealth of Virginia or any other state can declare a crime of

this nature to be a crime per se and it’s a legitimate

inference the jury may draw, but I think that, that the

Defendant, since since he’s faced with the provisions of the

statute has the right to explain any other reason that he

may have for burning that cross — whether it’s good, bad or

indifferent, I think he has the right to explain it and I’m

going to permit you to let him explain it in that fashion, if

that’s his explanation.

MR. BAUGH: Or if I can raise it through an

inference through another witness, yes.

THE COURT: That’s my ruling, but you can’t

mention the fact, of course, the Court’s ruled that it’s

constitutional. That’s out.

All right. Anything else?

MR. BAUGH: The voir dire issues are going to

be involved. Your Honor, I have received from my oppo-

nent, who’s really, I wish he wasn’t such a nice guy, he

was kind enough to send me his objecticns to my proposed

voir [15] dire issues. I will tell the Court — which puts me

in a very strange position.

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The Court is familiar with the Charity case. That’s

where the Judge in Virginia Beach refused to let me do

voir dire and then the case was affirmed. Judge Annun-

ziata said however, oh, well, so he may have violated the

Canons of Judicial Conduct, it’s harmless error. I had, I

was up in Northern Virginia a couple of weeks ago and

saw Judge Annunziata and I told her that, based upon

that ruling, my only recourse now in a voir dire issue was

to take the contempt. That’s the only way I can preserve

the issue. She thought it was funny.

The pressure, under the statute, Virginia has an

extremely liberal statute on voir dire. ’'m allowed to raise

any issue that I believe will reflect bias or prejudice

involved in the case. It’s not limited to bias just against

the Defendant, but bias and prejudice concerning the law.

Based upon my investigation, I am of the conclusion that

there are some people in the area who consider my client’s

behavior to be an embarrassment and to reflect poorly

upon the community. My concern is that these people may

seek to avoid that embarrassment by [16] disassociating

themselves from the Defendant’s conduct by punishing

him severely or convicting him.

Therefore, I believe that is an issue that must be

raised on voir dire to determine whether or not there is a

sensitivity as to what a verdict of acquittal would do based

on their sensitivities.

Additionally, counsel has objected to my commenting

or talking to the jury about the range of punishment. As

the Court is aware, this carries anything from a dollar

($1.00) fine up to five (5) years. Many prosecutors object to

raising that issue on voir dire, whether or not they're

willing to consider the full range of punishment if they’re

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already convinced that if he’s guilty, I’m going to give him

this sentence or give him this sentence. I’m willing to offer

. the Commonwealth the option of if we don’t raise that

issue and the Defendant is convicted, we'll just voir dire

another jury on their bias concerning the full range of

punishment and pick another one (1). But being as how we

do have bifurcated trials with one (1) jury, I am entitled —

going into this case — to determine if there are any precon-

ceived notions of punishment in the event of a conviction.

[17] MR. GOAD: They can give, ask if they can

consider the full range of punishment, but I think it’s

improper for them to know at the very beginning that it

carries up to five (5) years in the penitentiary. That’s not

relevant until there’s a guilty verdict and then at that

time, under the proper instruction, they'll hear what the

range of punishment is. I think it’s wrong to tell them that

at the very beginning of the trial.

THE COURT: Then would you, would you

withdraw your objection if he simply tells this jury that

they will be told that there is a range of punishment at the

appropriate time if the Defendant is found guilty and then

let him finish out the balance of the voir dire?

MR. BAUGH: I couldn’t accept that option, Your

Honor. To tell a jury that, ask them if they're willing to

consider a full range of punishment without advising

them, is I mean, it’s pointless, it’s a charade. The jury has

to know that, if convicted, this is the range we’re looking

at.

THE COURT: Do you have case law to support

that?

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MR. BAUGH: No, Your Honor. There is very

[18] little case law on voir dire. I am quite comfortable,

well, now by Judge Annunziata, I guess, I did bring bond

money just in case, Your Honor, I do not, the statute is

liberal. There is no way that I, I have the representatives

of the AG’s office. They’re real big on truth in sentencing. I

don’t believe that a, I would ask, I would dare the govern-

ment to tell me how can, how can a jury intelligently

answer a question can they consider the full range of .

punishment without being advised what it is? I mean, if, if

they go back there and they think this is life, they're going

to give a bad answer; if they think this is a dollar ($1.00)

fine, they're going to give a bad answer. They don’t know

and there’s no way for them to find out without informing

them and plus I have a lot of confidence in jurors. I don’t

understand what the problem would be.

If the Commonwealth would be willing to tell me what

the problem would be, perhaps I could come up with an

option, but at this time, I, I know that I’m entitled to

determine whether or not they have a bias or prejudice

concerning any issue. Punishment is an issue in our state

along witk two (2) other states and the only way to [19]

resolve it is to inform them and ask them. If you have

another way to do it, I'll be glad to consider it.

THE COURT: Mr. Commonwealth?

MR. GOAD: I wouldn’t have anything new. You

know, the purposes of a voir dire is just that they will

consider the full range of punishment and I think it’s

incorrect to tell them on the front end. That’s appropriate

for the punishment stage.

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THE COURT: Since the Defendant is unwilling

to accept t’.e, the Court’s suggestion, I think the Com-

monwealth’s objection is well taken and the range of

punishment at the voir dire stage is not appropriate.

MR. BAUGH: Then, Your Honor, you would

place me in a conflict. Because of the ruling in Charity and

my obligation to give my client effective assistance of

counsel, I believe that if I proceed with this, he’s not

getting effective assistance of counsel and therefore I

cannot accept the Court’s ruling and, being as how Judge

Annunziata has said that’s harmless error, I must advise

my client that he should terminate my services because I

am about to enter into an effort where I know that I am

giving ineffective assistance of counsel which I am [20]

prohibited from doing by oath.

If I was guaranteed ...

THE COURT: Let me ask you something.

MR. BAUGH: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: You're saying Judge Annuziata

has said that this is harmless error. This is harmless

error?

MR. BAUGH: Judge Annunziata in Charity has

said that issues on voir dire like this are harmless error.

THE COURT: Oh. Oh. Not this particular

question?

MR. BAUGH: No. Not the particular question.

No. But I can tell you that that question was a question

that I wrote out and the Judge gave in that case. We've

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had this objection before and we've always prevailed.

There is no case law and we've always prevailed on it. But,

Your Honor, I, that’s a charade on the jury and I, and it’s

also, I think it’s going to have tremendous negative effect

on my client. I have no case law to support it.

There is no case law. There’s less than a page of case

law under that statute in the annotations, but I would ask

the Court if, unless someone can tell me how [21] that jury

can intelligently decide what they will consider the range,

I’m not going to be a party, I can’t do that. I have to tell my

client, I'd like a moment to go outside, I think he should

terminate my services because I can’t do that.

If I knew it was going to be preserved for appeal, yes,

but in light of that ruling, the only thing I can do is either

take the contempt — and I don’t know if you built a new

jail, you’ve got a nice new building, but I don’t know if

you've got a new jail—...

THE COURT: Well, we do, just, just so you'll

know.

MR. BAUGH: Oh, thank you. I feel so much

better. Then I'll take the contempt.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. BAUGH: [I'll take the contempt. You can

punish me appropriately, but I can’t abide by that ruling.

I’m sorry, sir.

THE COURT: Well, do you want to talk to your

client? That will not cause the Court to change its ruling.

MR. BAUGH: I understand. Then, Your Honor,

I'd [22] like to take an interlocutory on this one (1). It’s so

dispositive of the issue. I want to get an interlocutory. I

want to go up on this one (1). I don’t want, I think . . .

THE COURT: What authority do you have to go

up on an interlocutory?

MR. BAUGH: Well, if we agree we can do it, we

can do it. I don’t think I can violate my oath. And if I get

out there and do it, you’re going to cite me for contempt

and I can tell you I’m going to do it.

THE COURT: Well, we'll see.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, I will.

THE COURT: Well, that’s fine. You know, you

have to do what you have to do, I assume, and Ill do what

I have to do to...

MR. BAUGH: That’s fine, but, Your Honor, you

understand that ifIdo...

THE COURT: To preside over this case.

MR. BAUGH: If I know I'm going to jail, even

though I don’t mind going to jail, it is going to cause

reservation and he’s not going to get the full degree of

advocacy he deserves. I would seriously suggest that the

[23] government consider withdrawing this one (1) because

we are going to consider it. The jury is going to know, if the

jury is going to consider the full range, they're going to

know up front.

THE COURT: We will recess — I need the ap-

proval of the Defendant to, to go off the record, but we'll

recess the hearing and let each of you go to a place where

you can discuss your position with your client, Mr. Baugh

MR. BAUGH: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: And the Commonwealth can

consider its position.

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: And I will give you approximately

ten (10) minutes to do this and then come back.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you, sir.

THE COURT STANDS IN RECESS

THE COURT: All right. The Commonwealth

have anything he would like to talk to defense counsel

about? Do you have any resolution that you want to

propose?

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir. I do.

THE COURT: Do you want to do it on the record

or do you want to do it in privacy between you and counsel

or how do you want to do it?

MR. GOAD: [I'l just do it on the record.

THE COURT: All right. Very well.

MR. GOAD: Judge, while in recess, I've recon-

sidered my objection to the voir dire issue about the

punishment and I’m willing to amend my objection to

where it’s okay for the jury in the voir dire to be advised of

the range of punishment, but I want the Court to advise

the jury of the range of the punishment as opposed to

counsel.

MR. BAUGH: No objection as long as we do it.

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THE COURT: All right. I guess we have an

instruction in here that tells us it’s, let me...

MR. BAUGH: All that great error gone to waste.

THE COURT: All right. And that range is, let’s

see, one (1) to five (5) years in the Department of Correc-

tions cr confinement in jail for a specific time but not more

than twelve (12) months. I tell you what I'll do, I'll just . . .

[25] MR. GOAD: I've got extra copies if you want

to pull that out.

; THE COURT: [I'l just put a clip on it and I can

go to it rather than try to, all right. That apparently is

resolved, so we'll go to...

MR. HURD: Judge, if I may add one (1) com-

ment about it, as a result of our discussions, it will be

helpful perhaps if the, if the lower end of the range was

made doubly clear to the jury. A layman coming in hears

“in jail up to twelve (12) months” he’s going to focus on the

twelve (12) months and not, not realize perhaps that it

could be one (1) day to twelve (12) months.

MR. BAUGH: I don’t mind telling the jury that.

That’s what I always do. I tell them it’s from as little as

one (1) day or one dollar ($1.00) fine up to five (5) years.

I’ve done this before. If you want me to do it, I'll be glad to.

THE COURT: Im basically going to paraphrase

the instruction that I will give if we get to the penalty

stage and you're entitled to elaborate on it, if you wish.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you, sir.

THE COURT: All right. Next? Now, let me say

[26] something so we can move this along. Anything that’s

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in these proposed questions by Mr. Baugh that goes to bias

or prejudice, I’m going to approve. I think that that’s the

whole purpose of the voir dire and I'm going to permit it.

So with that in mind, let’s go forward with the, with the

balance of these objections.

Let’s see. On Page 1 of Mr. Baugh’s letter, there’s a

partial objection?

MR. BAUGH: Oh, yes. Let’s see. The question,

the topic is whether the panel member had, “based upon

the facts obtained either from the media or elsewhere,

expressed any opinion as to the guilt or innocence of the

Defendant or the outcome which should be had, either due

to the Defendant’s actions or due to his membership in the

Ku Klux Klan”.

Your Honor, I would submit that the second part that

the Commonwealth has objected to “or [to] the outcome

which should be had, either due to the Defendant’s actions

or due to his membership in the Ku Klux Klan”, I believe

that it is obvious that my client is a member of the Ku

Klux Klan. I believe there are biases and prejudices held

by many people both for and against that organization and

[27] his association with that organization and for that

reason and the fact that the Klan name is going to be in

there, I believe that that is a proper area in which bias or

prejudice could occur and for that reason, it is subject to

voir dire.

THE COURT: Mr. Commonwealth?

MR. GOAD: Judge, I think the first part of it

sufficiently addresses the issue of bias or prejudice of the

Defendant and I think the last half of it, as I indicated,

would, you know, go too far in that area.

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MR. BAUGH: Oh, I understand. Forgive me.

May I speak, Your Honor? My concern is this, is that when

talking with people about this case, some people are of the

impression that because of the nature of the offense or

because of the nature of the organization, that anyone who

belongs to that organization be convicted or anyone who

belongs to that organization should be more severely

punished than someone who doesn’t. The only way to cut

off that prejudice is to ask them whether or not they’ve

discussed what should happen if a member of the Klan is

convicted of a crime.

THE COURT: All right. I’m going to overrule

[28] the objection. I think that we want a jury that will not

convict this individual by association and I think he’s

entitled to, to go into that. I’m going to, he should be tried

on what he did and not the organization he belongs to.

What's next?

MR. BAUGH: The next question objected to is

whether the panel member “has heard, either directed to

[the] panel member or overheard by [the] panel member,

any suggested dispositions for the offense alleged against

the Defendant”. In the Mu’min case, M-U-apostrophe-M-I-

N, the Supreme Court has said we cannot discuss the

information that has been communicated, but there has

been no bar against the result or suggested, we are not

allowed to say what did you read or what did you hear, but

— and I'm not going to ask that ~ but if someone has said

that I believe someone, actually it is, it sort of goes into

the question above it, and in a sense of fair play, I'll

withdraw it.

THE COURT: O. KO. K. So the whc'e, we don’t

have to address the three (3) items at the top of Page 2?

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MR. BAUGH: Yes. I think, unfortunately, well, I

can tell you that, I don’t want to lowball you, Judge. [29]

I’m, those areas will be incorporated in this, the one (1)

you’ve said is not a, where I’ve already, you’ve already

ruled on it. I mean, what outcome should be had either

due to the Defendant’s actions or due to his membership

and those issues are going to be incorporated in that.

That’s going to happen.

THE COURT: I don’t understand your point.

MR. BAUGH: What I'm saying is that, what I’m

saying, Your Honor, is that the second issue, the second

question and the third one (1) with its subparts are really

one (1) question and so I was going to surrender the third

question, but I can tell you that when doing the first one

(1), those issues are going to come up — what was the

suggested disposition, did they have, did they ever make 4

comment about what should happen in this case, things

like that. If I get answers saying that they’ve obtained,

they have an opinion as to the guilt or innocence and they

have an opinion as to what the punishment should be, I

think I have to ask them what it was. I mean, they're

going to want to know, too.

THE COURT: Let me tell you, let me tell you

what we're going to do. If that occurs, if we get to that (30)

point...

MR. BAUGH: Where someone says...

THE COURT: That, yes, they’ve talked about it

MR. BAUGH: All right.

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. THE COURT: Then we're going to stop the

inquiry with that particular juror at that point, we'll, and

at some point, we’ll call that juror in by, by the juror, by

himself or whatever . . .

MR. BAUGH: For individual...

THE COURT: Individually.

MR. BAUGH: O. K. That’s fine.

THE COURT: And then we can go into what

they've heard and whether or not they’ve formed an

opinion, basically, and, and decide whether or not that

juror is qualified.

MR. BAUGH: All right. That’s fine.

THE COURT: And that’s what I want on the,

when we have the twenty (20) people out there, if there’s

an answer that, that indicates that we need to go further

into an inquiry with that particular juror, I don’t want to

contaminate another group.

[31] MR. BAUGH: That’s fine.

THE COURT: Ill call them back. But, and

obviously we'll, we'll pretty well know which ones you'll

want to call back and I'll give you that opportunity at some

point if it looks like we need to bring, to bring a juror in

just to make further inquiry.

MR. BAUGH: I think that’s a much better

procedure. I agree. |

THE COURT: All right.

MR. BAUGH: The other ones, the remainder of

them, some of them are not couched in terms of a question

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because I, as I told you, these are areas about which I will

discuss. I can tell you, for example, in the first one (1), I

will ask the jury that, if any of them have disagreement

with the presumption of innocence which means that

when we begin a trial in the United States, a Defendant is

presumed not to have done the offense and until such time

as the government convinces them of it, does anybody

disagree with that law, anybody see the Defendant as

anything less than innocent. That’s the . . .

THE COURT: I understand that.

MR. BAUGH: Yes, sir.

[32] THE COURT: All right. It looks like Page 2

with the, we’ve worked out the balance of Page 2.

MR. BAUGH: I should have numbered these.

I’m sorry.

THE COURT: Now, Page 3.

MR. BAUGH: I believe you're ruled on that one

(1). Didn’t you say as long as it’s couched in terms of bias

or prejudice, all of these are bias and prejudice questions,

the ones to which the government has objected.

MR. GOAD: Well, the first one (1) goes further,

the first one (1) that I objected to...

THE COURT: Uh-huh.

MR. GOAD: On Page 3, goes further than the

bias or prejudice. Then it goes forward to ask do they

think a member of the Klan “has a predisposition to

commit certain types of crime[s]”. I think that goes beyond

the general bias or prejudice.

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MR. BAUGH: It has been my experience, Your

Honor, if I might, that there are certain groups of people —

and I’ve never had this one (1), but similar ones, but this is

my first Klan case — but I have had situations where, say,

drug defendants are Jamaican nationals or from [33] New

York or I'm in a sodomy case and my client is an admitted

homosexual. There are people who believe that certain

people — because of who they are or because of they’re

from, the place from which they come — are more likely to

commit a crime than someone else. It’s the, it’s flat-out

prejudice and I believe that, it’s my belief that there is,

that the Ku Klux Klan is associated with certain types of

behavior and I will, and the jury has to understand that,

as you pointed out a moment ago, he’s not to be tried for

his association. He’s to be tried as an individual for his

actions on that date.

THE COURT: I agree. I think that he’s, we need

to know whether or not the, the mention of the Klan

effects the disposition of this case and if one (1) has pre-

conceived notions, then they shouldn’t be serving — one (1)

way or the other.

MR. BAUGH: Yes, sir. One (1) way or the other.

THE COURT: They may have sympathies the

other way and think that the Klan...

MR. BAUGH: As is their right.

THE COURT: All right. Next. All of these, and I

think they are, I’m going to let that be investigated by [34]

the Defendant.

MR. GOAD: The one (1) that says “send a

message” in it?

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THE COURT: Now, that one (1). Let me look at

this one (1).

MR. BAUGH: Let me see. Which one (1) is that?

Oh, yes.

MR. GOAD: Second from the bottom.

MR. BAUGH: What is the “send a message”?

Buck vs. Commonwealth, isn’t it? The “send a message” is,

the “send a message” argument on behalf of the Common-

wealth is improper, according to Buck vs. Commonwealth.

It’s a Richmond case. About, what, seven (7) years? I

believe you were in the office then when that was argued,

about Steve Buck was the lawyer, in fact, and being as

how the government is not allowed to argue the “send a

message” argument, I can only assume that the inverse,

that it is improper for the jury to “send a message” and

that their guilt or deliberations are to be based upon his

actions solely.

So relying on an inference from Buck, I would argue

this is a proper question.

[35] MR. McLEES: I think that sentencing is

always, that the deterrence of crime specifically and in

general in the community is always an appropriate con-

sideration in sentencing.

MR. BAUGH: [I'l rely on Buck.

MR. McLEES: They can’t find him guilty in

order to send a message, but they certainly can sentence

him in order to send a message.

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MR. BAUGH: If the Court would like to view the

case, Buck was a sentencing issue. It was before we had

bifurcated trials, but I believe...

MR. McLEES: Well, that’s the, that’s the .. .

MR. BAUGH: He said we need to send a mes-

sage with our, with the punishment. _

MR. McLEES: The Commonwealth can’t argue

that in general in trying to convince the jury to find a man

guilty because, of course, by finding an innocent man

guilty, you don’t send the right message anyhow. Once the

man is found guilty and they're determining penalty,

sending, the consideration of sending a message to others

who might be tempted to commit the same crime is a, is

imminently a proper part of sentencing.

[36] MR. BAUGH: If I may, Your Honor, I would

point out that if my client as an individual is, should be

punished with a one (1) year sentence, to give him a more

severe punishment to send a message to other people for

conduct he did not commit is equally violative of his rights.

He is to be...

THE COURT: Aren’t we already asking this jury

if they're willing to consider the entire range of punish-

ment?

MR. BAUGH: Well, I am concerned, Your Honor,

and I don’t think it’s served by that because I, it is impor-

tant that a jury knows that they are to convict him based

on his conduct or acquit him based on his conduct and if he

is to be sentenced, he is to be sentenced upon his conduct

and his conduct alone, not to, to influence other people.

He’s not a scapegoat. He’s not an effigy to be punished as

an example. He’s to be punished based upon his conduct.

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MR. McLEES: Your Honor, they certainly can

consider the necessity of impressing on other like-minded

people that they shouldn’t commit the same kind of deed

and take that into consideration in fixing the punishment.

[37] THE COURT: I believe the Common-

wealth’s motion is well taken on this question. I’m going to

sustain the objection.

MR. BAUGH: To which, of course, I will object.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. GOAD: And then the next one (1) that

starts at the bottom and goes to the top is clearly outside

bias or prejudice if it’s put the county in a negative light or

positive image of the community.

MR. BAUGH: I thought that was a brilliantly

drafted questior .

THE COURT: Any further comments?

MR. BAUGH: The question for my client is, “if

[any] members of the panel have a bias or prejudice that

the alleged activities of the Defendant or the Ku Klux

Klan are such that the image of the city or county [)s]

been cast in a negative light [and], if so, would a convic: 1

or imprisonment of the Defendant be a likely method [for]

maintaining a positive image of the community”.

Your Honor, I think that we would be remiss if we did

not say that because of the, I mean, this is the [38] first

case I’ve had that’s been reported in the BBC. There is and

there will be a tremendous amount of pressure on these

jurors because of the nature of the offense and the publicity.

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There is, in all likelihood, the verdict that comes out of

this jury today — and everyone knows it — will be on the

front, it will be in international news and some on the

front page. I mean, MS-NBC has already called and asked

us to be on the news tonight regardless of the verdict. By

the way, we said no.

To assume that the negative light issue is not an issue

is disingenuous.

MR. GOAD: Of course, that comes after the

verdict is over. You know, we're talking about bringing it at

the, when we voir dire the jury. What he’s saying about the

international news and all that, yeah, that was previously,

but since the Court’s ruling on the constitutional issue,

there’s been very little publicity about this case. Neither of

the local newspapers — the Carroll News or the Gazette —

has any article about today’s trial taking place, I don’t

believe. There’s been very little publicity since the Court's

ruling on the constitutional question. You know, so today

we don’t have [39] it too much, but afterwards certainly we

will.

MR. BAUGH: I should tell the Court that I did

te)i MS-NBC that if Soledad O’Brian was going to do the

interview, I might appear.

THE COURT: Uh-huh.

MR. BAUGH: But based on the Court’s ruling on

that one (1), you’re going to have to, it’s going to be a

similar ruling to the next one (1).

THE COURT: Im reviewing those now to see if

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MR. BAUGH: It is a package. In the interest of

time, Your Honor, if you will, if the Commonwealth will

permit me to have the question which is the first complete

question on Page 4 — “if members . . . have a bias or preju-

dice which compels their feeling personally embarrassed

that this activity occurred in their neighborhood or juris-

diction” — 1 think I can knock out the one (1) before and

the one (1) afterwards in the interest of time.

THE COURT: Whether they agree to it or not, I

will rule that that’s fine.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you.

[40] THE COURT: We will go with, let you ask

one (1). Now, that will, so I've sustained the before and

after.

MR. GOAD: The one (1) that starts on Page 3

and goes to Page 4 you've sustained?

MR. BAUGH: Yes.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. GOAD: And the second one (1) on Page 4

you've allowed?

THE COURT: Yes. You know, you can save your

objection if you wish. All right. With, now, we're down to

“Will a verdict of not guilty reflect disfavorably on Carroll

County?”

MR. BAUGH: My concern there is that, as the

Court is well aware, there are members of the community

who are not going to serve on the jury and one (1) of the

issues we do need to bring up is whether the jury has

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contemplated whether or not when they go back in the

jury room, they're going to make a, come up with a verdict

that’s going to make their neighbors happy and that

happens in all cases. Only by, and I would couch it in

terms of bias or prejudice, but I think it’s important to [41]

my client’s rights that if we, we determine whether there

‘@ #1 influence in the panel to determine a verdict which

wiil allow them to go home and speak to their neighbors or

get a decent meal from their wife or husband.

THE COURT: Mr. Commonwealth?

MR. GOAD: I think that’s beyond the proper

voir dire. I think that’s inviting them to argue.

THE COURT: I agree with the Commonwealth.

We want to know their own biases and prejudices and

whether they can sit on this jury and give, give the Defen-

dant a fair trial. I feel like that the objection is well taken.

MR. BAUGH: Well, then, Your Honor, we would

object to the Court’s ruling because none of the questions

that are proposed deal with the ever present influence of

local public opinion which is always an issue in a case like

this, local public opinion and the fear of being ridiculed

like the O. J. Simpson jurors is a factor. When you talk to

jurors, they do worry about that and this is the only

question that addresses that issue.

And so I will couch my objection in terms of my client

does have a right to, under Article I, Section 8 of the

Virginia Constitution, to a fair and impartial jury [42] that

is free from unreasonable influences and prejudices. I

believe that until such time the record reflects that there

is, there is no likelihood of jurors feeling pressured by

their neighbors to come up with a given verdict, the only

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way to raise that is with this question, until such time as

the record is clear of that issue, my client is being denied

of his right under Article I, Section 8 or he’s being denied,

denied the right to his right to counsel under Article I,

Section 8 and the Sixth Amendment, his effective use of

counsel because without that information, Ill be, I'm

making strikes in the dark. So we preserve our constitu-

tional issues.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. GOAD: The one (1) just up above that is

similar. I don’t believe we addressed that one (1) yet.

Where at the end, it says a verdict of not guilty would

reflect that “activities of the ... Klan are endorsed by the

citizens of Carroll County”.

THE COURT: Buthe...

MR. BAUGH: That’s already been struck.

THE COURT: He agreed to struck that if I

would let him go with the question above.

[43] MR. GOAD: O.K. All right.

MR. BAUGH: But if the Commonwealth is

offering us a substitute, that I should take that one (1) and

lose the one (1) before it, in a sense of cooperation, I’m

willing to do that.

MR. GOAD: No. I like the one (1) up above it.

MR. BAUGH: Because I believe it does, I believe

it is a valid issue that Ku Klux Klan activities are en-

dorsed and I would willingly give up the next one (1)

because it covers the same topic.

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THE COURT: All right. What about the, the

remaining? The next objection — “Are there any jurors who

would change their »ote concerning guilt or punishment, if

guilt is the verdict, because they were in the majority and

not because they agreed with the fellow jurors?”

MR. BAUGH: That should be minority. I was

tired. Whether or not they would change their verdict

because they were in the minority.

The Defendant is entitled to twelve (12) jurors, not

eleven (11) speaking for twelve (12). The only way to

address that issue is to bring it up on voir dire — that it is

not majority rule. It must be unanimous in every [44] one’s

verdict, everyone's conscious must be voted.

THE COURT: The basis of the Commonwealth's

objection is what?

MR. GOAD: It’s inviting the jury to argue and

disagree.

MR. BAUGH: We'll stipulate that’s a good thing.

THE COURT: I agree. I agree with the Com-

monwealth. I believe the jury will follow the Court’s

instructions and I think that that’s argumentative and it

doesn’t help you determine whether or not there’s any bias

or prejudice.

. MR. BAUGH: We would re-urge the same

objections, the Constitutional objection, as the one (1)

previous.

THE COURT: All right, sir.

MR. BAUGH: The government had objected to

the last two (2).

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THE COURT: I guess it’s the same, the same

basis, isn’t it, as the one (1) I just ruled on?

MR. BAUGH: Yes. I would agree, Your Honor.

THE COURT: O. K. Im going to sustain that

objection and each of you, I guess, disagree for reasons [45)

previously stated. Is that a fair statement?

MR. BAUGH: On behalf of the Defendant Black,

that’s correct, Your Honor.

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir

THE COURT: And I feel the same way about the

last question. I’m going to sustain the objection.

MR. BAUGH: I thought you had. Yes. We would

have the same objection, Your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. I believe that does it,

doesn’t it, folks? :

MR. BAUGH: That’s it.

THE COURT: If we're ready to go, anybody need

a break before we go and impanel the jury?

MR. BAUGH: If I could, and I know the gov-

ernment doesn’t have to, but can the government give me

an estimate of how many witnesses they have just so I can

figure out whether or not we need hotel rooms for the

night?

MR. GOAD: Sure. I'll be glad to and then you

tell us, too

MR. BAUGH: Sure.

MR. GOAD: Three (3).

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[46] MR. BAUGH: Zero.

MR. GOAD: O. K. We'll be here one (1) day. I do

have a couple of short matters for the record.

THE COURT: Aill right.

MR. GOAD: Judge, previously, I filed the notice

of prior criminal convictions pursuant to § 19.2-295.1. I did

file those in a timely matter, in a timely manner and

according to the Code section, before the beginning of trial,

I'm to provide defense counsel with a copy of those and I

have complied with that provision.

MR. BAUGH: That's correct, Your Honor. It has

been tendered. I will tell the Court that I have not had a

chance to go over it with my client as yet and also there’s a

question because one (1) of them appears, there appears to

be a vacation order somewhere of one (1) of these, I don’t

know which one (1). None of these, some of these don’t

even show up on the NCIC computer check and I don’t

even know how you found all of them.

We would object, all of them are extremely stale. I

don’t believe there are any past 1972?

MR. GOAD: There’s a 74 and I think one (1)

was '79. I'd have to go back and look, but it’s all ’70’s at

[47] the earliest.

MR. BAUGH: My only other concern would be

the information tendered, there’s one (1) sheet that shows

a conviction, of course, they're entitled to that. The other

sheet shows the punishment given for those offense and

we would submit that’s improper, that the jury did not, I

mean, while I am entitled to notice, I do not believe that

goes to the jury. The jury is told the number of offense and

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I believe you're entitled to tell them the offenses for which

the Defendant has been convicted, but as to what punish-

ment might have been meted out, I would submit that it

would be improper.

MR. GOAD: Well, we can go over that later.

THE COURT: All right. As long as we're, there

is compliance and I agree that there may be some discus-

sion later with regard to the total admissibility, but we'll

go over that later, defer that until a later time.

MR. BAUGH: Yes, sir.

MR. GOAD: And, of course, previously the Court

met Mr. John McLees and Bill Hurd from the Attorney

General's office and previously there’s been no objection

[48] to them being here and working on the case and I’m

assuming that still stands today?

MR. BAUGH: That’s correct. It does.

THE COURT: All right. Are all three (3) of you

going to sit at counsel tables?

MR. BAUGH: Or close by.

MR. GOAD: Or close by.

THE COURT: Well, do I need to, who do I

introduce? That’s all I need to know.

MR. BAUGH: All of them?

THE COURT: Just yourself or all of them?

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir. Unless you all want to be.

Just me then, I guess.

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THE COURT: Just you. All right. They're going

to sit in the background. If they’re going to sit at the table,

I'm going to introduce them. If they're going to sit close,

then...

MR. GOAD: O. K. Mr. McLees will be at the

table next to me.

MR. McLEES: I guess he should introduce me

then.

THE COURT: I think I should.

[49] MR. McLEES: Yes, sir.

MR. BAUGH: And Id ask you to introduce...

THE COURT: Sara Davis, is it?

MS. DAVIS: Yes, sir.

MR. BAUGH: Sara G. Davis. Her mother wants

that G thrown in there.

MS. DAVIS: You can leave the G out.

THE COURT: All right. Unless you need a litile

recess, we'll go get started.

MR. BAUGH: Two (2) or three (3) minutes

please, sir.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. BAUGH: Oh, and the Defendant is waiving

his right to be present at any bench conferences.

THE COURT: All right.

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MR. BAUGH: Thank you, sir.

THE COURT: Thank you.

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IN THE COURTROOM - IN OPEN COURT

[50] BAILIFF: Circuit Court for Carroll County

is now in session, the Honorable Judge Duane E. Mink

presiding. Silence is commanded while Court is in session.

Be seated and come to order.

THE COURT: All right. Mr. Goad and Mr.

Baugh, would you come forward and let me ask you a

question?

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CONFERENCE AT THE COURT'S BENCH

THE COURT: Sometimes we just call the jury

taking the first twenty (20) names on the list and that

might be the easiest way to do it today. Do you have any

objection to that or do you want us to put the names in

and do it by lot?

MR. GOAD: Whichever.

MR. BAUGH: I have no objection.

THE COURT: Then we're just going to take the

first twenty (20).

MR. BAUGH: I have a question. Do we question

from the table or do you want us to stand?

[51] THE COURT: Whatever you’re comfortable

with. I want you to be, I want everybody to be comfortable

in my court.

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MR. BAUGH: Thank you. All right.

THE COURT: If you feel comfortable sitting,

fine; if you want to go back and forth, you can do that.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you, sir.

THE COURT: All right, sir.

* ~ x

THE COURT: All right. The case on the docket

for today is Commonwealth of Virginia versus Barry Elton

Black. Both parties have announced ready and we’re now

calling the jury that’s awaiting on the first floor. Bring in

the first twenty (20) and if they will stop in the back and

we'll call their names as they come forward.

MR. GOAD: As far as the seating of the jury,

will they start on the back row?

THE COURT: Start here and we'll take, we have

seven (7) chairs here now, don’t we?

THE CLERK: Yes, sir.

(52) THE COURT: The first seven (7),- the

second seven (7) and then we'll go up this wall over here.

* * *

[At this time, an initial panel of twenty (20) jurors

was called to the courtroom and examined on voir dire by

the Court, Mr. Goad and Mr. Baugh. There was individual

voir dire of jury panel members as requested. Of that

initial panel of twenty (20) jurors, three (3) jurors were

challenged for cause by the Defendant and were excused

by the Court. Subsequently, seventeen (17) members of the

first panel were seated as the venire.

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A second panel of five (5) jurors was called to the

courtroom and examined on voir dire by the Court, Mr.

Goad and Mr. Baugh. The first three (3) names that were

called of the second panel were free from challenge and

were seated to complete the venire of twenty (20) mem-

bers, free from objection.

The Court stood in recess at that time in order for

both parties to review the panel members.

While the list was passed between the parties, [53] the

Court read the following preliminary and cautionary

instructions to the jury.]

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THE COURT: Members of the jury, at this point,

the attorneys are going through the process of striking the

jurors. All twenty (20) of you have been found free from

objection and qualified to sit on the trial of this case.

However, under the laws of the Commonwealth of Vir-

ginia, each of these parties will have to strike four (4)

names apiece. So twelve (12) of you will end up trying the

case. We don’t know which twelve (12) that will be, so at

this point I’m going to read you the preliminary cautionary

instructions which will advise you how the case will

proceed and since we don’t know which twelve (12) will try

it, I request that all of you attend to the reading of these

instructions.

The case will proceed in the following order. First, the

Commonwealth Attorney may make an opening statement

outlining his case. The Defendant may also make an

opening statement outlining his case immediately after

[54] the Commonwealth Attorney's statement. Neither the

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Commonwealth Attorney nor the Defendant is required to

make an opening statement.

Second, the Commonwealth Attorney will first intro-

duce evidence. At the conclusion of the Commonwealth

Attorney's evidence, the Defendant has the right to intro-

duce evidence. Thereafter rebuttal evidence may be

introduced.

Third, at the conclusion of all the evidence, further

instructions will be given you, after which the attorneys

may make their closing arguments. Then you will retire to

select a foreman, deliberate and arrive at your verdict as

to the guilt or innocence of the accused.

Faithful performance by you of your duties is vital to

the administration of justice. You must not be influenced

in any degree by any personal feeling of sympathy for or

prejudice against any party to this suit for each party is

entitled to the same fair and impartial consideration.

The law applicable to this suit is given to you in these

instructions and in those other instructions that you will

receive at the close of all of the evidence and [55] it is your

duty to follow all such instructions. It is your duty to

determine the facts and to determine them from the

evidence and the reasonable inferences arising from such

evidence and in so doing, you must not indulge in guess-

work or speculation.

The evidence which you are to consider consists of the

testimony of witnesses and the exhibits admitted in

evidence. The admission of evidence in court is governed

by rules of law. From time to time, it may be the duty of

the attorneys to make objections and my duty as Judge to

rule on those objections and whether you can consider

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certain evidence. You must not concern yourself with the

objections or the Court’s reasons for these rulings. You

must not consider testimony or exhibits to which an

objection was sustained or which has been ordered

stricken.

Opening statemexts and closing arguments of the

attorneys are intended to help you in understanding the

evidence and applying the law, but they are not evidence.

No statement or ruling or remark which I may make

during the course of the trial is intended to indicate my

op aion as to what the facts are. You are to [56] determine

the facts. In this determination, you alone must decide

upon the believability of the evidence and its weight and

value. In considering the weight and value of the testi-

mony of any witness, you may take into consideration the

appearance, attitude and behavior of the witness, the

interest of the witness in the outcome of the suit, the

relation of the witness to any parties to the suit, the

inclination of the witness to speak truthfully or not, the

probability or improbability of the witness’ statements and

all other facts and circumstances in evidence. Thus, you

may give the testimony of any witness just such weight

and value as you may determine the testimony of such

witness is entitled to receive.

Until this case is submitted to you for your delibera-

tion, you must not discuss this case with anyone nor

remain within hearing of anyone who is discussing it. To

avoid the possible appearance of impropriety, I strongly

urge and suggest to you that until the trial is concluded,

you shall not converse at all with anyone connected with

the trial as a party, witness, or attorney.

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After this case has been submitted to you, you must

discuss this case only in the jury room when all [57]

members of the jury are present. You are to keep an open

mind and you shall not decide any issue in this case until

the case is submitted to you for your deliberations under

the further instructions of the Court.

Now, that concludes the reading of the cautionary and

preliminary instructions. We'll await the striking of the

jury.

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[In open court in the presence of the jury panel, both

sides struck four (4) members each and a panel of twelve

(12) jurors was chosen to hear the case. Those jurors were

as follows: Sharon Beasley; Angela Bowman; Sherry Dawn

Burnette; Doris Gardner; Donna F. Maldonado; Gary

Lyons; Rayborn E. Lyon; James Lowe; Vander Kirkland;

Dannie Wayne Martin; Rena H. McAlexander; and Cheryle

D. McCraw. They were charged by the Clerk as follows:

You shall well and truly try the issues joined between the

Commonwealth of Virginia, Plaintiff, and Barry Elton

Black, Defendant, and a true verdict give according to the

evidence, so help you God? To which the entire [58] panel

indicated an affirmative response.) .

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THE COURT: Members of the jury, at this point,

it is approximately a quarter of twelve (12:00) and we’ve

decided, rather than begin the actual trial of the case

which is the opening statements of the attorneys and then

the evidence that may be presented with regard to these

charges, that we would break for lunch. I'll ask you to

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return at a quarter of one (1:00) and we'll try to get started

on time.

While you're out, don’t discuss the case with anyone.

Do not remain within hearing of anyone discussing the

case. When you return to the, to the courthouse, if you

would come to the, I guess they better come to this room

first, come to the courtroom and then we will, the Bailiff

will be here to take you back to the jury room and we'll ask

you to stay there until the case is ready to be called.

Yes, sir?

‘MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, would you please

inform [59] the jurors that if we see them in the street, Mr.

Goad and his attorneys or mine, if we don’t speak to them,

we're not being rude, but we’re not allowed to.

THE COURT: That’s exactly right and I couldn’t

say it any better. We have to, we have to avoid the appear-

ance of impropriety and you might be talking about the

weather, but others may not believe that. So if you see us

on the street, we’re not stuck up and we're glad you're here

today. We'll now excuse you until...

THE CLERK: Excuse me, Your Honor, but

they'll need to wear their badges.

THE COURT: Right. And we'll see you at a

quarter of one (1:00).

THE COURT STANDS IN RECESS FOR LUNCH

THE COURT: All right. Both parties ready to

begin?

MR. BAUGH: The defense is ready, Your Honor.

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THE COURT: Thank you. Commonwealth

ready?

MR. GOAD: Yes. I'd make a motion to sequester

the witness.

(60) THE COURT: Bring in the jury.

MR. GOAD: I would have a motion to sequester

the witness.

THE COURT: All right. I’m a little bit surprised

because they’re your witnesses, but you're entitled to...

MR. BAUGH: I was going to make the motion

anyway.

THE COURT: O. K Anyone going to testify,

come forward please. Anyone that’s called as a witness in

the case, come forward.

MR. GOAD: No witnesses for the defense?

MR. BAUGH: No.

THE COURT: We will, we'll do the oaths indi-

vidually when the jury's present. While you’re out, don’t

discuss your testimony with anyone and we'll call you as

we need you. If you'll wait in the back, theyll show you

one (1) of the witness rooms where you can wait until

youre called.

(All witnesses in the case are excluded from the

courtroom and from the hearing of any of the matters (61)

therein.)

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THE JURY RETURNS TO THE COURTROOM

THE COURT: We've got an extra seat. That’s

why it looks like we’re missing somebody. All twelve (12)

members have returned. You may begin with your opening

statement.

MR. GOAD: Thank you, Judge.

a * *

OPENING STATEMENT BY MR. GOAD:

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. As you know

from this morning, my name is Greg Goad. I'm the Com-

monwealth’s Attorney for Carroll County and I’m here

today to prosecute the case of the Commonwealth versus

Barry Black. John McLees is here also with me to work on

the case.

The evidence as was mentioned to you earlier today is

going to be short, so with the short evidence and [62] the

short case that calls for a short opening statement by

myself. Now, after I speak, Mr. Baugh will give his opening

remarks and then we'll proceed on with the testimony.

ll have three (3) or four (4) witnesses to present to

you in this case. The first witness will be Sheriff Warren

Manning. He'll testify that on the date of August 22nd,

that he was employed as the Sheriff of Carroll County and

that evening when he returned to his home in Woodlawn,

he received notification that there was a Ku Klux Klan

gathering in the Cana section of our county. He then

notified First Sergeant Rick Clark and other deputies and

then went down to Cana to see where the gathering was

taking place at.

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Upon his arrival, he saw on the road or next to the

road, excuse me, a four (4) by eight (8) foot sheet of ply-

board that said KKK Meeting and then you could also see

individuals in a field. Now, as I mentioned, this is in the

Cana section in the county where the terrain is more flat

than it is up here in this section of the county. He re-

mained at the scene along with Investigator Clark and

also other deputies, talked to some of the individuals [63]

that were having the gathering and then proceeded to stay

and observe what was happening.

Now, Roger and Rebecca Sechrist, they lived next to

the tract of land where the rally was taking place at. Now,

Sheriff Manning will testify that as he stayed there at the

scene, along with Investigator Clark, that eventually, as

the time went on, that there had been a cross erected on

this property and the testimony will be that this cross was

approximately twenty-five (25) to thirty (30) feet tall,

clearly visible from the public road and also within the

area of approximately ten (10) homes.

As they were there making sure that nothing oc-

curred, then as the Klan gathering continued, at this

point, they’re in white robes and hats, then as part of their

ceremony then the cross was burned and it glowed out

over the whole area where these homes were at and both

Sergeant Clark and Sheriff Manning saw the burning of

the cross. Upon doing that, they checked with the dis-

patcher on exactly what the cross burning statute is in

Virginia.

After that, they proceeded onto the property and

asked who was responsible for the gathering. The [64]

Defendant, Barry Black, came forward and said that he

was leader of the gathering and that he was responsible

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for the burning of the cross. He was then placed under

arrest for violating the statute here in Virginia and Inves-

tigator Clark then placed him in his vehicle for a trip to

Hillsville to see the magistrate.

Once they were in the vehicle and proceeding to the

county jail, Mr. Black began a conversation with Investi-

gator Clark and one (1) of the comments that was stated

“when is the white man going to stand up to the blacks

and the Mexicans in this neighborhood” and he further

went on to say that he had heard that the blacks and

whites were holding hands and walking down the side-

walk in that area.

Well, Investigator Clark told him that there were not

any sidewalks in Cana, Virginia and Mr. Black said that

he had been mislead. And they brought him on up to the

jail and he was processed and then he later, we proceeded

on with the case we’re here today on.

Now, Rebecca Sechrist and possibly Roger Sechrist

will testify that they are neighbors that own the property

adjacent to the rally, as I mentioned to you [65] before, and

she will tell you and possibly Roger about how the effect of

this Klan rally and the burning of the cross hed on them.

At the conclusion of the case, I’m confident that you'll

see that we have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that

Mr. Black burned the cross with the intent to intimidate.

Thank you.

* * *

THE COURT: Mr. Baugh?

MR. BAUGH: Thank you, Your Honor.

* * *

ani. a

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OPENING STATEMENT BY MR. BAUGH:

May it please the Court, counsel. It’s not illegal to

burn a cross in Virginia. It’s illegal to burn a cross with the

intent to intimidate others, to place them in fear of imme-

diate or imminent serious bodily injury or death. There is

the difference. I want to [66] point out first, however, that

every person, if any citizen doesn’t like something in our

nation, if you don’t like blacks and whites holding hands, if

you despise Rush Limbaugh, that’s my personal favorite,

you have a right to say it. You have a right to express it.

You can’t say it in a way that makes other people think

they're going to be hurt, but you have the right to say it.

The fact that the government comes in here and says

that this man told a deputy that he doesn’t think blacks

and whites should hold hands, that’s his right. If he

doesn’t want to hold my hand, I don’t care. that’s [sic] his

right because he’s a citizen.

One (1), they also didn’t tell you that in addition to

Mr. Black being down here, there was a sign up telling

people that there was a Klan rally and that it was private

and that outsiders would not be tolerated. You couldn't

come in. It wasn’t open to just anybody, so it was a warn-

Additionally, I want to agree with something counsel

has said — the cross was burned and I believe he said as

part of their ceremony and that was why it was burned —

not to intimidate others, not to make other [67] people

think they were going to be jumped and beaten but be-

cause, for whatever reason, it is part of their ceremony

and that was the reason. And if you believe what Mr. Goad

said, then it’s going to be a real short trial.

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Now, Mr. Goad has said that he has witnesses who

will testify about the effect of the c:oss burning on them.

You will hear the Judge tell you that the key here is his

intent. If he did not intend to communicate a threat of

imminent bodily injury, if other people feel threatened,

that doesn’t matter under our law. It is his intent that

makes it a crime. If someone comes along who is very

susceptible or very frightened, that is not a criteria. That

is irrelevant.

The only issue is when he burned that cross or the

cross was burned — now, I’m not even going to say he didn’t

burn it, here’s why — because if you burn it or you cause it

to be burned, you're, you’re, you did it yourself. In fact,

under our law, if you aid and abet someone, if you know

someone else is doing an illegal act and you help them in

any way, shape or form — give them a match — you've done

it yourself. So it doesn’t matter whether he lit it or he was

there — it doesn’t matter. .

[68] The issue is very simple. When that cross was

burned by whoever burned it — either it was Mr. Black or

someone else in his group — did he burn it with the intent

to put other individuals or a group of individuals in fear of

imminent bodily injury or death. Period.

It’s not did he stand up and say I hate you. It isn’t did

he shout the words. It isn’t did he hold up a flag. It isn’t

did he demonstrate I just, I don’t like certain people. It

isn’t a question of does he have a right to have this cere-

mony. The only issue is when he burned it, was he threat-

ening people.

And in evidence of that, you can look at not only what

was done, but how it was done. By their own admission, it

was done hundreds of yards from the road surface and I

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would submit to you that certain words can carry a threat

or certain gestures can carry a threat, but the distance —

it’s one (1) thing for me to sit back here and say I don’t like

you — it’s another thing to get up in your face, I don’t like

you. That’s different. That might be construed as threaten-

ing and maybe by my behavior I intend to communicate a

threat. That was not his behavior.

[69] The reason I keep talking is the issue is so sim-

ple, it’s scary. Simple issues bother lawyers. This is a

simple issue.

So I think at the conclusion of the evidence Mr. Black

has the right to express by sign or gesture any feelings he

has. That’s his right as a citizen. And even if you disagree,

you have sworn an oath to God to follow the law and the

law says we must protect his rights. We can’t protect his

right to intimidate people intentionally.

I will submit at the conclusion of the government's

evidence that you will find that there was a cross burning.

You will find that maybe people, some of you included,

might be uncomfortable by that — just like you’d be uncom-

fortable if the Black Muslims had a meeting or I'd be

uncomfortable if Rush Limbaugh had a meeting. If these

people come together and they say things that make us

uncomfortable, we don’t have a right to be free from

discomfort. That’s the disadvantage of living in a democ-

racy. You have to tolerate other people’s rights.

So they're going to have evidence that some people

might have been uncomfortable. They're going to [70] have

evidence a cross was burned. They're going to have evi-

dence that people drove by — some people might have even

been frightened. But there’s going to be no evidence, direct

or circumstantial, that he did it with the purpose of

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making people feel that they were in imminent threat, a

real threat of injury or death.

And I would submit no matter how you feel about the

Klan, no matter how you feel about cross burning, you

took an oath as a juror to follow the law. And if you follow

the law, you will find there is no evidence of intent to

intimidate others.

And then comes the hard part. You’re going to have to

follow the law and by your verdict say that what he did,

even if you don’t agree with it, is legal. Just like soldiers

have to go to war to defend the nation and our principles,

you're going to have to do the same and it’s not meant to

be easy, but if you follow your oath, I will submit you will

find the Defendant not guilty.

Thank you.

* * *

(71] THE COURT: Thank you. Call your first

witness.

MR. GOAD: Sheriff Manning.

. . *

SHERIFF H. WARREN MANNING, first being duly

sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but

the truth, was examined and testified as follows:

DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. GOAD:

Q State your name please.

AH. Warren Manning.

Q And what’s your position?

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A I’m the Sheriff here in Carroll County.

Q And were you serving as such on August 22nd of

1998?

A Yes. I was.

Q And did you receive a report about a Klan gather-

ing in Carroll County on that date?

A Yes. I came home about six thirty (6:30) that

evening and had a note on my door saying that [72] there

was a rally, KKK rally in Cana, Virginia.

Q Right.

A And so I called my office and they told me that

they had information that there was a rally going on in

Cana. So I told them that I would be on my way down

there.

Q And you live in the Woodlawn community?

A Yes.

Q And so after you received the report, what did you

do?

A Well, I called my officers that was working to meet

me on Brushy Fork Road on 690 in Cana.

Q Is that in Carroll County, Virginia?

MR. BAUGH: We'll stipulate venue, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Thank you.

A Yes. It is.

Q Allright. Go ahead.

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A O. K When I arrived there, I seen a four (4) by

eight (8) sheet of plyboard said KKK Rally.

Q Do you know about what time you got there?

[73] A Approximately probably seven (7:00), seven

fifteen (7:15).

Q O.K.

A Since I seen the sign, I wanted to make sure that

everything was legit and I wanted to get their attention. I

could see people out in the field. So I pulled off the side of

the road and | turned my blue lights on and I might have

flipped my siren on for just a second so they could see me

and three (3) gentlemen approached me up in a vehicle.

Q_ And, if you would, describe the lay of the land in

this area of the county.

A Well, it was a big open field.

MR. BAUGH: Excuse me. I don’t mean to cut

the witness off, Your Honor. We're willing to stipulate to

the admissibility of the photos they have and I believe

they might be more illustrative than the description if

counsel wishes to introduce them at this time or in con-

junction, I have no objection.

MR. GOAD: O. K. Officer Clark took the photos,

[74] but...

MR. BAUGH: I don’t mind.

MR. GOAD: I have four (4) photos.

THE COURT: All right. We'll, Commonwealth’s

Exhibit #1, #2, #3 and #4.

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MR. BAUGH: That will be fine. No objection to

the introduction. No objection to the publication to the

jury.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. BAUGH: They’ve been previously tendered.

THE COURT: You may proceed.

Q Sheriff, I have Photos #1, #2, #3 and #4. If you

could, tell me what those photos show.

THE COURT: For the record, they'll be received

as marked and you may proceed.

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #1, a photograph

of the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia, is

received and filed as a part of the Court record in this

[75] COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #2, a photograph

of the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia, with a

mark at the approximate placement of the cross, is re-

ceived and filed as a part of the Court record in this case.

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #3, a photograph of

the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia, with a

mark at the approximate placement or the Sheriff’s car, is

received and filed as a part of the Court record in this

COMMONWEALTH’S EXHIBIT #4, a photograph of

the scene of the rally in Carroll County, Virginia, is re-

ceived and filed as a part of the Court record in this case.

Q Is this showing the area where the rally was?

A Right.AsI...

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Q Now, if you could, and with the Court’s permis-

sion, approach the jury and show them the photos to let

them see. :

(76) THE COURT: All right. And would you

refer, refer to the number on the photo as you testify

please?

A O.K_ Pl start with this one (1) first, #3.

THE COURT: All right.

A As I came down, heading this way, from this end,

somewhere in this area, in this area, there was a sign

right on the side of the road here, a four (4) by eight (8)

sheet of plyboard that said KKK Rally and I stopped right

in here and I could see people over in this area of the field.

MR. BAUGH: Sheriff, not everybody down here

can see at the same time.

A I stopped right here and there was a four (4) by

eight (8) sheet of plyboard right here. I could see people

moving and I could see a congregation of people here. So I

stopped here to try to get their attention to come out to the

road so I [77] could talk to somebody.

Q Was it still daylight at that time?

A No. I think it was pretty well dark at that time.

Q O.K

A O.K. #1 here, let’s see, #2, right here is a picture

of a house beside this fence here. This is the field that

we're talking about with a, should I go on and say what

was in the field here? Is that what you want?

Q Uh-huh.

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MR. BAUGH: No objection.

Q Yes.

A O. K. The cross was here, somewhere in the,

somewhere in this area right here and I was back up here,

the picture don’t show. But that’s where the cross was

located.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, could I ask the

witness to mark in pen on the photograph the location of

the cross [78] where he recollects it being?

THE COURT: That will be appropriate. You may

do so.

Q And indicate which photo you're marking on, too.

A O.K This is #2. O. K. Do you want me to mark

where I was parked at, too?

MR. BAUGH: Wherever. If you think it’s neces-

sary to illustrate, I have no objection. In fact, ’'d ask you

to.

THE COURT: This is a different exhibit? What

exhibit are you marking this on?

A #3.

THE COURT: Going back to #3?

A Yes, sir.

THE COURT: Mr. Baugh, would you inspect

those and make sure that we can see those marks? Would

both of [79] you inspect?

MR. BAUGH: Yes, Your Honor.

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Q In a couple of these photos, there's a resi i

' , dence in

the picture. Do you know whose home that is?

A O.K. #1, this is the Sechrists’ i

; , Roger Sechrist and

Q And they live next door to...

A This is where their fence is here, their field. This

is their house and the cross was here. Everybod it?

Did you see that? yee

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, I have no objecti

be J on to

the exhibit being passed to the jury at this time. In fact

I'd ask that it be passed to the jury.

THE COURT: Do you want to publish

the jury ; Pp those to

MR.GOAD: Yes.

THE COURT: O. K I believe we can i

go on with

the evidence while they're looking at the exhibits. Any

— to going forward from either one (1) of the par-

. [80] MR. BAUGH: None from the defense, Your

THE COURT: All right. You may proceed.

Q All right. Let’s pick back up where you first turn

= your blue lights and hit your siren to get their atten-

n. .

A OK

Q What did you do after that?

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A O. KI was wanting somebody to come over so I

could ask them some questions about what was going on

and three (3) men approached me with white robes and

they come up to my door of the car and I don’t think I even

got out and I asked them was this a legit KKK rally and

he said it was.

Q Did they have hats on?

A Yes.

Q O.K

A They, I asked them how long it was going to be

until their rally was over and they said it probably, it will

be another hour, somewhere in that neighborhood, hour

and a half until they [81] finished their rally up.

Q Now, was Mr. Black one (1) of those gentlemen?

A At that time, I didn’t know Mr. Black.

Q Right.

A But, you know, positively completely sure of it, I'm

not for sure.

Q O.K Allright.

A There was just three (3) gentlemen approached my

vehicle.

Q All right.

A So I told them, I said I would be around to make

sure everything went well and make sure everything was,

you know, law-abiding and see the rally through and I was

going to stay in the community. So they went back to the

rally and I went off from, where I showed you I was parked

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at and just went out past the double-wide and pulled off to

the right.

Q All right. Now, what did you do after you went

back up there?

A. O.K. My officers and I, I had them patrolling the

roads and then they was coming up sitting [82] beside me

and just observing what was going on in the field. There

was cars coming by me and a few cars stopped and asked

me what was going on and I told them what was going on.

Q Now, were there any speeches being made during

the rally?

A I could hear talk and people talking, but I couldn’t

tell what they were saying.

Q O.K All right. Continue.

A O. K. Approximately probably forty-five (45)

minutes to an hour we was out there and I seen a light on

the lighting of a cross, burning of a cross.

Q Describe that for us and how that was done.

A Well, I was sitting there and I thought it was

about over with and I seen people gathering around the

cross and then all of a sudden it went up in a flame and

they circled the cross.

Q_ And how tall was the cross?

A My estimate, estimate was twenty-five (25) to

thirty (30) feet.

Q And I believe you said you were on a state road?

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[83] A Yes. I was sitting on the side of the state road.

Q Clearly within your view?

A Yes.

Q Now, were there any other homes in the area?

MR. BAUGH: Objection to area, Your Honor.

That’s an indefinite term.

Q Within sight of the burned cross.

MR. BAUGH: No objection. Withdrawn.

A Somewhere in the neighborhood between eight (8)

to ten (10) houses.

Q O. K. Now, what did you do after the cross was

burned?

A My First Sergeant, Rick Clark, was with me and

we called our office. I let him call the office to check the

law book to see if there was, I wasn’t familiar with the law

on the cross burning and my office called me back and

advised [84] me that there was a Code section of violation

of burning a cross.

Q And what did you do after you received that

report? ,

A O.K Then! told, First Sergeant Rick Clark and

myself, I said we need to go down there and find out what,

you know, find out who's responsible and explain to them

that they cannot do this in the State of Virginia.

Q Right. And so did you go into the field where the

meeting was?

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A Yes. I went down the driveway to the double-wide

and back around to the fence. Now, the fence shows in the

picture. There wasn’t a major fence like that at that time.

There was just a line kind of where you could tell the

difference in the property lines.

Q Right.

A This fence was built after this happened.

Q These are more recent photos?

A Right.

Q Right.

[85] A And I went down to the rally and, of course,

the people at the rally, you know, wanted to know what I

was coming down for and I asked them, when I got out of

the car, I asked them who was the leader of this rally . . .

MR. BAUGH: We're going to object to any

statements made by others other than the Defendant

under the Sixth Amendment confrontation clause.

THE COURT: Mr. Commonwealth?

MR. GOAD: I won't be offering any of that

THE COURT: Then you withdraw the question?

MR. GOAD: [I'l just ask him to focus in on the

Defendant.

THE COURT: All right.

Q Did the Defendant approach you when you first

asked the question?

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A Yes. He did.

Q And is that Mr. Black sitting over there?

A Yes. |

[86] Q And did he still have the robe and the hat on?

A Yes.

Q Allright. And what was your question?

A I asked him who's the head of this rally and he

said I am.

Q And when you're saying who, he?

A Mr. Black said.

Q O.K

A And I asked him if he, who was responsible for

burning the cross and he said I guess I am because I’m the

head of the rally and I said well, there’s a law in the State

of Virginia that you cannot burn a cross and Ill have to

place you under arrest for this and my First Sergeant,

Rick Clark, was there and I took, took him to Rick Clark

and he proceeded to arrest him and put him in his car.

Q O.K Now, did any individuals at the scene seek

assistance or protection from you while that was going on?

A When I was there talking to Mr. Black and right

after the First Sergeant took Mr. Black over to [87] his car,

neighbors in the double-wide came up to me and it, they

was real, had this fear on their face .. .

MR. BAUGH: Objection, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Sustain the objection.

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MR. GOAD: He can testify to what he saw.

MR. BAUGH: Hecannot...

MR. GOAD: To their facial expression.

THE COURT: Sustain the objection.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you. Ask the jury be

instructed to disregard.

THE COURT: So instructed.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Members of the jury, disregard

the last comment.

Q Did they seek protection?

MR. BAUGH: Objection, Your Honor, unless

there’s a basis and it gets dangerously close to confronta-

tion. If the people are here, they can testify [88] to what

they came and asked for.

MR. McLEES: Your Honor, it’s not a hearsay

situation. It’s a verbal act on their part if they came to him

and asked for protection. He can, he can tell what they

said because it’s a verbal act. It’s not offered for the truth

of the matter.

MR. BAUGH: Im not objecting at this time to

being double teamed, but I will next time. Your Honor,

there are some, in grammar, there are some words which

do not carry with them a question. They do not carry with

them a declaration. The statement that he asked clearly

calls for a declaration and that would be violative of the

Sixth Amendment right to confrontation. If they're here,

they can testify. It is a hearsay exception and, more

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importantly, it’s a confrontation exception and a confronta-

tion objection.

THE COURT: Anything further you want to

add?

MR. McLEES: The confrontation clause is not

violated by the traditional firmly rooted, common law

hearsay exceptions and this is one (1) of them.

THE COURT: Swustain the objection.

Q Answer anything Mr. Baugh might have.

[89] CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. BLACK [sic]:

Q Sheriff Manning, on this sign announcing the

rally, did it say words on it like it was private or anything

like that? Do you remember the words that were on it?

A. The best I can recollect, it did have private, I believe,

on that sign.

Q O.K. During the time you were out there, sir, the

hour and a half before the cross was Lit, first, did you see

the cross erected? Did you see it standing there?

A No. It was dark and I really didn’t see until it was,

until they set it on fire. |

Q I thought — and correct me if I’m wrong — that you

said that you saw them circle the cross, they got around

the cross and then you saw the cross lit, but you, I believe

you said you saw them circle the cross first.

A Well, at the time, I seen them circle, but I [90]

didn’t, my mind wasn’t focused on the burning of a cross at

that time.

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Q You were familiar with the fact — am I correct, sir

— that a cross burning is not, it’s not a disassociative thing

with the Klan? I mean, that sort of thing happens in Klan

rallies. Right?

A Right. But we’ve never had one (1) in Carroll

County.

Q (0. K. And during that hour and a half, did you

ever think, well, let me ask you this, did you know it was a

crime during that hour and a half you waited to burn a

cross?

A No. No. Not until I called my office.

. Q And that’s how come you didn’t tell them it’s a

crime to burn a cross because you didn’t know?

A That’s right.

Q All right. Did the members of this rally do any-

thing in contravention of your orders or directions during

the time you were there? Did they, were they difficult with

you?

A No.

[91] Q Whose field is that in which the cross was

burned?

A Im not for sure the ladys name, but it was Joey

Sechrist’s mother.

Q And had you had, had you had any complaints

about trespassing or any allegation that the Klan people

were there without permission?

A No.

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Q All right. So your investigation indicated they

were there with permission?

A Yes.

Q All right. And they stayed on the portion of the

property for which they had permission?

A As far as I know.

Q All right. Now, during the whole time you were

there, were there any, were there any members of the

gathering dressed in their sheet things?

A Was there any more than Mr. Black?

Q Uh-huh. Anybody?

A Everybody was.

Q All right. And weapons on the part of them?

A I did not search anybody but Mr. Black.

[92] Q Did you see any weapons out there?

A I did not see no weapons.

Q Did you see any overtly threatening gestures or

signs?

A No, sir.

Q Did you feel, well, let me ask you this. Do you

agree with the views of the Klan?

A No.

Q Did you perceive what was going on as a threat of

imminently bodily injury to you? Did you feel you were

going to be attacked?

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A By the burning of the cross, is that what you

mean?

Q Uh-huh.

A Just by the actual burning of the cross?

Q Uh-huh.

A It, not maybe by the actual burning of the cross.

Q Thank you. Well, we’re here about the burning of

the cross, aren’t we? That’s the reason we're having this

little party. Right? You have to say yes or no, sir.

[93] A I didn’t catch the question. Say it again.

Q O. K. The reason we're here, the reason he was

arrested was about the burning of the cross. Right? It

wasn't about wearing the percale and walking around and

all that.

A Just burning the cross. Yes.

Q O.K Thank you. Pass the witness.

AND FURTHER THIS WITNESS SAID NOT.

MR. GOAD: No additional questions.

THE COURT: Are you going to recall?

MR. GOAD: Possibly.

THE COURT: We'll need for you to wait then in

one (1) of the outer rooms. Don’t, don’t go back in the same

room with the other witnesses and don’t discuss your

testimony.

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[The witness, Sheriff H. Warren Manning, is again

excluded from the courtroom and from the hearing of aay

of the matters therein.]

[94] THE COURT: Next witness.

MR. GOAD: Judge, I would request a conference

in chambers for a brief moment on a matter.

THE COURT: All right. Let’s go to chambers ©

and the Defendant is welcome.

- * *

IN THE COURT’S CHAMBERS - OUT OF THE PRES-

ENCE OF THE JURY

[Present are the Court, the Clerk, the Court Reporter,

Mr. Goad, Ms. Collins, Mr. McLees, Mr. Hurd, Mr. Baugh,

Ms. Davis, and the Defendant, Barry Elton Black.]

MR. GOAD: Judge, in the opening statement of

counsel, he stated that the intimidation, intent to intimi-

date others required an imminent threat of injury or death

and he again asked that question on cross examination of

Sheriff Manning and it’s our position that’s not the aceu-

rate description on what is an intent to intimidate. There

had been some discussion about this on the jury instruc-

tions and Mr. Baugh forwarded one (1) [95] to me previ-

ously which we were not going tc object to which did not

contain the threat of, imminent threat of injury or death

and then yesterday we received some new ones that did

and it’s our position that that is not an accurate statement

of the intent to intimidate and with that being in the

opening and then on cross examination with the Sheriff, I

felt like we ought to address that now.

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THE COURT: What do you have to say?

MR. BAUGH: I didn’t hear an objection. I don’t

know what I’m answering to. Did I say it? Yes. I don’t

know what I’m, what do you want to know?

MR. GOAD: I’m objecting to anything further.

. MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, I said it about six (6)

times during voir dire, at least ten (10) times during

opening without objection, if the Court’s going to rule we

can’t do that after we opened with it and we've voir dired

on it, we'll move for a mistrial now because I can’t change

tactics in the middle of a trial.

THE COURT: What did you say in your briefs?

Wasn't, do you have a copy of your brief that ?

Wasn’t that... —

[96] THE CLERK: Do you want the Court file?

MR. GOAD: I do on my desk.

THE COURT: O. K. Could I see the briefs? I

thought that was one (1) of the things that you said in

your, in that brief.

; MR. McLEES: Your Honor, we said that the

intent to intimidate involved a, putting people in fear and

I think we said in fear of injury. We don’t have any prob-

lem with that. I think our objection is with Mr. Baugh’s

gratuitous injection of this element of fear of imminent

danger. It doesn’t have to be imminent danger. The law

doesn’t, the statute doesn’t say that and the Constitution

doesn’t require that.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, we have two (2) new

cases. The reason I didn’t do them earlier — in completing

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the instructions, in the instructions I filed on June 10th,

as per your direction, I did use the word immediate which

I take as analogous to imminent. Additionally, I did submit

~ we had some faxed, I left, I forgot them and I had, and

Mr. Goad permitted me to have them faxed over to his

office for delivery to me — there is a new case or cases that

were referred to us by the [97] Jefferson Institute at the

University of Virginia — one (1) is called Baker, the other

one (1) is, was it Hefler? H-E-F-L-E-R. I have copies in my

briefcase.

MS. DAVIS: Kessler.

MR. BAUGH: Was it?

MS. DAVIS: That’s the case — Kessler.

MR. BAUGH: Kessler, Kelfer, something like

that, and I have copies. Both of them say that in order for

it to be, to intimidate, there must be a, quote, “true threat

of imminent bodily injury or death” in order, to escape the

protection of the First Amendment. I mean, as the Court is

well aware — just saying I hate people isn’t enough. It

must be calculated.

It’s like the yelling of fire. It must be calculated to

elicit a reaction at that time and it is the prevention of the

action occurring which takes it outside the First Amend-

ment. To just make a statement that somewhere way down

the road may cause a reaction, to scream fire in an open

field, for instance, is not a violation of the First Amend-

ment.

The same thing here, it has to be imminent. It must

be a threat of serious bodily injury and I believe [98] the

government conceded some of that issue in their brief.

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THE COURT: Give me a minute while I find the

brief...

MR. BAUGH: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: Let me have some comment with

regard to the Commonwealth’s statement in the Brief in

Opposition, this language appears: “The Virginia statute at

issue outlaws”, this is emphasized, “threats of violence, not

mere incitement to violence or fighting words”. Then it goes

on and “Black now unreasonably pounds his figurative fist

at Brandenburg vs. Ohio”, et cetera, “which involved an

attempt to outlaw advocacy of lawless actions of others

rather than direct threats. He cavalierly ignores the abun-

dance of authority that direct threats of violence, unlike

mere advocacy, are outside the First Amendment”.

Aren’t you saying that we need the - in your own

briefs — that you need the direct threats?

MR. McLEES: We're saying it needs to be

something that expresses a direct threat, but not a threat

of imminent harm. The imminence is what we object to

here. He’s trying to get in through the back door what he

[99] couldn't through the front door. He argued over and

over again that it was this clear and present danger test.

Your Honor correctly ruled the clear and present danger

test is not involved in this kind of statute.

One (1) can violate the law by threatening future

harm. It doesn’t have to be imminent harm. We've got not

only this statute in Virginia. Your Honor knows we've got a

statute that makes it a felony to communicate a threat to

burn a building by the telephone. Now, if you call some-

body on the telephone and say I’m going to burn your

house in the next county, there’s not an imminent threat

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involved, but that is still, there’s not an imminent, you

don’t have to show an imminent danger to show that that

is a felony to communicate that threat. You can say I’m

going to burn it next year.

There is a, it is a felony to extort people with the

suggestion that if they don’t do what you want them to do,

you're going to accuse them of some kind of heinous crime.

That doesn’t have to be a statement that you're going to do

it right now or that the harm to them is going to be immi-

nent. There are all sorts of different ways of intimidating

people, of threatening harm - now, in the [100] future, to

them, to somebody else. All the law requires is that the

Defendant’s intent be serious — that he actually intend to

frighten people with this expression of threat. It doesn’t

require that it be imminent danger and it doesn’t require

that he have the actual capacity to carry through on the

threat. It’s just the intimidation of some sort of threat of

harm.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, briefly, and I think

this might resolve the issue. I’m citing from another case

I’ve not tendered, but I will be glad to, U.S. vs. Baker,

which is 890 Fed Sup 1375, Eastern District of Michigan,

1995, but I’m referring to the quote in Brandenburg which

you just indicated they cited. Quoting from Brandenburg

vs. Ohio, which is 395 US 444, reading from Page 447,

“The constitutional guarantees of free speech and a free

press do not permit a state to permit or prescribe advocacy

of the use of force or of law violation except where efficacy is

directed in inciting or producing imminent lawless action

and it’s likely to incite or produce such action.”

Further, if you read on in the case, you'll see the other

thing about true threat, the whole case, at the [101] top of

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the column over here, true threat, what it means, true

threat means serious bodily injury and I will give the

highlight, this is a quote from Brandenburg which they

cited in their brief and it clearly says it has to be immi-

nent.

MR. McLEES: Your Honor, Brandenburg is a

fighting words case. It’s back, he’s trying to get in the back

door what Your Honor has already rejected through the

front door. This is not a statute against advocacy of vio-

lence or advocacy of overthrowing the government. This is

a statute against trying deliberately to actually scare

people. So the Brandenburg language quoted in that case

is not involved here.

Now, Mr. Baugh has not graced us with the Baker

case. He hasn’t graced us at all with the Kessler case that

he mentioned. I have no idea what that is. The only reason

we know about the Baker case is because that he, he

submitted to Mr. Goad this jury instruction which is

incorrect which has the Baker case incorrectly cited at the

bottom of it and I called my office and they found the

correct cite and faxed me the case.

It appears to me, from what I’ve been able to [102]

glean this morning, a Sixth Circuit case involving a

federal statute with Sixth Circuit case law on it. That is

not good law in the Fourth Circuit. It’s not good law in

Virginia. If Your Honor were to adopt this standard here,

then not only is this statute unconstitutional, but the

telephone threat statute would be unconstitutional, the

extortion statute would be unconstitutional. It simply is

not a requirement — when someone is actually expressing

a threat and seriously trying to scare people, it is not a

requirement that it be an imminent danger, that the

person be and put in fear that they're going to be hurt

right now. It could be some time in the future in some

other place.

THE CLERK: Is this what you're looking for?

THE COURT: Is it Commonwealth’s?

THE CLERK: No. That’s Mr. Baugh’s.

MR. BAUGH: That looks like my response, Your

Honor.

THE COURT: I'm really looking for the Com-

monwealth’s . ..

THE CLERK: Oh, I’m sorry. I thought you were

looking for his.

[103] THE COURT: No. Let me look again. In

your, in the Commonwealth's brief, we have this, this

additional language: “Intimidation as used in such statutes

means putting one (1) in fear of bodily harm”, now, this is

what you’ve agreed to, this is your, your memo in stating

that it’s not vague and it’s not overbroad.

MR. McLEES: We do agree to that, Your Honor.

THE COURT: “Moreover, even if the English

language permitted a broader interpretation for the word

intimidating, principles of statutory construction would

require this Court to construe the word narrowly, as stated

above, and thus uphold the constitutionality.” 1 believe

that’s the only thing...

MR. McLEES: We do, we do agree to that, Your

Honor. The entire controversy here is over his use today of

the word imminent.

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THE COURT: I understand that.

MR. McLEES: And where he’s going with tha

of course, is that he’s going to say well, or on + hag

imminent harm because there was nobody there at that

point that they were, that they were about to assault and

he’s already started down that road and that’s not the

[104] standard. If the, the black family in the car drove

past this, this burning cross and saw it and got frightened

and sped away because they, they were frightened of it and

it frightened them that some future harm might come to

them because this is building up racial animosity in this

county, that’s sufficient to show intimidation, but he’s

going to say it’s not. If people, if the word iis spread

throughout the community as a result of this that there's

an active KKK chapter in Carroll County and you better

watch your step and not walk down the street holding

hands with somebody of a different race, that’s intimida-

tion, but he’s going to say it’s not. And that’s not the law.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, if the Commonwealth

is asserting that the purpose of this statute is to forbid

racial animosity, I will gladly take that record to the

Supreme Court. It is illegal to try to outlaw animosity and

that is what he’s arguing. Your Honor, in order for you to

rule the way they just said, you must knock out the

imminence requirement of Brandenburg and you m

knock out the language of their own brief psc

bodily injury and unless you're willing to deny Branden-

burg which is U.S. Supreme Court — and, by the way, Sixth

Circuit [105] did, I mean, we did cite, that was . Sixth

Circuit case and I provided it to the Court only for direc-

tion because of the, some of the questions in the statute —

but if the Court is going to rule that Brandenburg is not

the law and the government, and I cannot rely on the

government's representations in its brief, then we're still

going to have to, we’re going to have to continue the case

and declare a mistrial, but I would submit the Court

cannot overrule Brandenburg and their assertion, the

government’s assertion in that brief concerning the re-

quirement of bodily injury, the, the interpretation to

require that is valid and that is what I have argued —

Brandenburg and the assertions they have made in their

brief.

MR. McLEES: Your Honor, we're not going back

on our brief one (1) iota. It requires a threat, it requires

intimidation, but it doesn’t have to be imminent and

Brandenburg has nothing to do with this case because this

is not a fighting words case. This is not a case where he’s

being prosecuted for advocating a point of view. It’s a case

where he’s being prosecuted for trying to scare people.

But we don’t have to show that he intended to [106]

make people think that they were going to be subjected to

violence in the next five (5) minutes and that’s what he’s

trying to plant in the jury's mind. He’s trying to mislead

them.

THE COURT: The Court’s going to sustain the

objection. I had overruled the clear and present danger

test and I think that’s what we're getting into when you

talk about imminent danger. It has to be a threat of

violence, but the imminence - as if it’s going to happen in

the next five (5) minutes or the next hour — I don’t think

that’s a requirement.

MR. BAUGH: [Ill move for a mistrial. I can’t

change. I’ve already voir dired this jury and questioned on

it.

MR. McLEES: Your Honor, he misstates the law

three (3) times and we call him on it on the fourth one (1)

and he thinks he’s entitled to a mistrial? With all due

respect, it’s nonsense.

THE COURT: I'm going to deny that motion. No

need to argue that. Motion for a mistrial is denied.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, I believe that the

government has waived their objection.

[107] MR. McLEES: We have not.

MR. BAUGH: They have correctly stated the

purpose of this advocacy is to outlaw racial animosity. We

told you earlier that was the purpose of this statute. They

have acknowledged it. Your Honor, you sat in, if they had

objected, we would not be in this posture. They didn’t.

I am still of the opinion that under Brandenburg -

and you can’t say that language is not there — I’m still of

the opinion, I have always been of the opinion that that is

the law. Now, they didn’t object. They have to eat it.

I move for a mistrial. It can’t be cured. How are you

going to cure it, Judge?

THE COURT: I’m not going to try to cure it.

MR. McLEES: There’s nothing to cure.

wae THE COURT: I'm going to deny the motion for a

mistrial. We will go forward and we'll, we'll try this case

and see what happens.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, I have to know, I

have to know the direction then. If you’re going to permit

them to say that the earlier assertions upon which I made

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[108] my argument are unfounded, then you have just

negated opening. Shall we start again?

THE COURT: They can, when the time comes, if

we get this far, when the time comes to get the instruc-

tions ready, they can argue to that jury that the Court's

instructions are as follows and this is the law of the case.

What, I’m not going to permit them to argue to the jury

that you misstated the law in your opening statement. The

law of the case is whatever the Court tells the, tells this

jury the law is when I get to that point. Now, I’m not going

to let you criticize his assertion of what the law was at the

opening statement.

MR. McLEES: We have no objection to that.

THE COURT: It was probably objectionable.

When you try to tell the jury what the law is in your

opening statement, you run the risk that the Judge may

not agree with that.

MR. BAUGH: Well, that someone might object.

MR. McLEES: That’s exactly right.

THE COURT: That’s right. Someone can always

object and we can get it straightened out right then. That's

the Court’s ruling. Let’s go finish our evidence.

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IN THE COURTROOM - IN OPEN COURT

BAILIFF: All rise. |

THE COURT: Thank you. Just be seated please.

Call your next witness.

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MR. GOAD: First Sergeant Rick Clark.

* * *

. FIRST SERGEANT RICHARD C. CLARK, JR., first

being duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and

nothing but the truth, was examined and testified as

follows:

Q State your name please.

A Richard C. Clark, Jr.

Q And what's your position?

A Im a First Sergeant employed by the Sheri

(110) Carroll County. iastiecniel

Q And were you serving as such on August 22nd of

last year?

A Yes. I was.

Q And were you called upon by the Sheriff to go to

the Cana section of the community?

A Yes, sir. I was.

Q And what was the purpose of that?

A I was called by radio and told to meet the Sheriff

on Brushy Fork Road which is State Road 691 in the Cana

section of Carroll County. When I arrived there, I met him

at a store, an abandoned store and he told me that there

was a meeting of individuals that he wanted

and to be in the area. oo

Q And did you see individuais in that area?

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A Yes, sir. He instructed me to patrol up and down

the road, from north to south. As I started back on the

road, there were two (2) people in white robes and pointed

hats standing on the side of the road beside a sign that

said KKK Rally.

[111] Q Do you recall if the sign said anything else

on it besides...

A No, sir. I don’t.

Q All right. And what did you do at that time?

A I continue to patrol up and down the road. At one

(1) point, we went to the, it would have been the northwest

side of where they were at and we started watching where

they were at — they had gathered around a cross. I called

the dispatcher and that — I knew that there was a cross

burning statute, but was not familiar with it — I called the

dispatcher and asked him to look up the Code Section and

to call me back and read the Code Section to me when he

found it.

Q Can you tell us how many people were at this

gathering?

A It appeared to be twenty-five (25) to thirty (30).

And were they all dressed similar?

Yes, sir. They appeared to be.

And what did they have on?

White robes and white hats.

[112] Q And so what did you do after you received

your radio report back about the statute?

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A Prior to him calling me back, they had been

standing around a cross that was in an open field. They

moved in unison to the cross and lit the cross and it was

flaming. He called me back and read the statute. When I

told the Sheriff what the statute was, he instructed me to

go with him across the field where we went forward

toward the group. He asked who was in charge and Mr.

Black came forward and indicated that he was.

Q Right.

A We placed Mr. Black under arrest for burning a

cross.

Q_ And what did you do after that?

A I took him back to my police vehicle. I searched

him and placed him into the vehicle and I was instructed

by the Sheriff to bring him back to the jail to complete the

arrest process.

Q Right.

A_ To do so, I had to travel back to State Route [113]

691 where we had general conversation all the way back

up the road. He spontaneously, as we approached Route

691, said when is the white man going to stand up to the

blacks and Mexicans in this area. I asked him to clarify his

statement and he told me he was lead to believe that the

blacks and Mexicans were walking up and down ‘the

sidewalk with white women holding hands and taking all

the jobs.

Q Right.

A I told him there weren’t any sidewalks in Cana,

Virginia.

Q Uh-huh.

A And he said he’d seen it that afternoon. I told him

there weren’t any sidewalks in Carroll County, Virginia in

the Cana section and he indicated, I understood that he

had stayed in the Mount Airy section where there are

sidewalks and he seemed surprised that he was in Vir-

ginia.

Q Right.

A We talked all the way back up the road to the jail.

It took fifteen (15) to twenty (20) [114] minutes at that

time of night, but when I got to the jail, I completed the

arrest process and took him before a magistrate.

Q O.K Now, did any individuals drive by while you

were observing the gathering?

A State Route 691, there was a normal flow of

traffic. Some people would drive by and holler out the

window. There was a black family that drove by. They

stopped and took off. Probably, in the hour that I was

there, there was probably forty (40) to fifty (50) cars came

by.

Q Now, when you say stopped and took off, what do

you mean by that?

A Stopped and looked across the field and then they

took off.

Q Was the cross burning at that time?

A Yes, sir. It was.

Q And how tall was the cross?

A Twenty-five (25) to thirty (30) feet.

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Q And what type of distance did you see the glow of

the cross go?

A We were standing probably three (300), three [115]

hundred (300) to three hundred and fifty (350) yards away.

Q_ Right. Clearly visible from where you were at?

A That particular stretch of road’s probably three-

fourths of a mile and you could see it, one (1) end of the

road cuts left and right, down a hill and up a hill, one (1)

end of the road goes down a hill, you could see it from both

ends of the road. It was probably visible at that particular

point a half mile in each direction.

Q Right. When you talk about this family stopping

and taking off, are we talking slowly, quickly or what?

A When they came up to us, the Sheriff had his blue

lights on because we were on the side of the road.

Q They slowed at our location. When they found out

that we didn’t want anything, they appeared to

and took off. ines _—

MR. BAUGH: Objection to appeared to be upset,

[116] Your Honor. That is improper. We ask the jury be

instructed to disregard.

THE COURT: Sustain the objection. Disregard

the statement, members of the jury.

MR. BAUGH: Move for a mistrial.

THE COURT: Denied.

MR. BAUGH: Note my exception.

Q What was the speed of the vehicle when it left?

A They left at higher than a normal rate of speed. I,

they didn’t speed or spin their tires when they were going

away.

Q O.K. Answer any questions that Mr. Baugh might

have.

CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. BAUGH:

Q You saw the cross in the ground before it was lit,

didn’t you?

A Yes, sir. I did.

Q And based upon your years of life, you're not

surprised to hear the Klan burns crosses, do [117] you?

A_ I was surprised to see it in Carroll County. Yes, I

was.

Q Yes. But you know it’s not uncommon for the Klan

to burn a cross?

A Iknow they burn crosses. Yes, sir.

Q All right. You didn’t know for sure it was illegal

until after it was lit. Am I correct?

A I knew there was a statute. I didn’t know what the

statute said.

Q All right. And, but you didn’t even ask, well, how

long were you there in the presence of the unlit cross?

A Twenty (20) to thirty (30) minutes.

Q And how long were you there before you called

dispatch and asked them to look up the statute?

A Ten (10) to fifteen (15).

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Q So you're not saying that if you had gone over and

told these people it was illegal to burn the cross, they were

going to burn it anyway?

MR. GOAD: Objection. Speculation.

[118] MR. BAUGH: Withdrawn.

Q Sir, you don’t, you don’t speak for all black people,

do you?

A No, sir.

Q They don’t have a meeting and elect you represen-

tative, do they?

A That's correct.

Q Or Hispanics, for that matter?

A That’s correct.

Q So when you say a black family came up and drove

away, you don’t know if they drove away because they felt

threatened or they were laughing at a percale posse that

was standing around a burning stick, do you?

A I just had my personal opinion.

Q You had your opinion. However, you know when

you're on the stand because you're a trained officer — we've

both been doing this for years - we talk about evidence,

don’t we?

A That's correct.

Q All right. You don’t have any evidence of that,

[119] do you?

A No, sir.

Q Thank you. Now, how many officers were out there

while the cross was burning?

A Myself, Sheriff Manning and Deputy Sheriff Larry

Hall.

Q And you say there were how many people on the,

members of this, members of the group around the cross?

A Twenty-five (25) to thirty (30).

Q Allright. Did you get out of your vehicle?

A Yes, sir.

Q Did you walk around?

A At which point, sir?

Q I mean, did you, I mean, during the twenty (20)

minutes you were t here [sic], did you walk around your

car? Did you walk to one (1) side of the street, back, forth,

observe what was going on?

A On more than one (1) occasion, yes, sir.

Q All right. Did you pull your shotgun out of the car?

A No, sir.

[120] Q Did you understand that burning a cross

was part of their ceremony?

A No, sir. I didn’t know much about the Klan.

Q All right. Oh, were the people at this rally making

statements?

A I could hear people talking, but from the distance

that I was at, it was unintelligible.

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Q Am / correct then that, were

of amplification deviee? they using any type

A There was a generator running and you could tell

somebody was talking over a PA, but I

he | A, couldn’t understand

Q So you don’t know if anyone was advocating

violence, anyone was advocating bodily injury, if they were

praying, you have no idea what was being said, do you?

A Icouldn’t understand a word, sir.

Q All right. And you were out of your vehicle?

A On more than one (1) occasion.

Q That's right. And you were certain!

y no more

closer than the people who were driving by?

A No, sir.

(121) Q According to the response we have here on

the Bill of Particulars, the government advocates that, do

you personally agree with the philosophy of the Ku Klux

Klan as you understand it?

A Absolutely not.

Q And did you feel threatened by their actions?

A I felt moral, moral outrage.

Q That's a nice answer, but perhaps you could

answer my question. Did you feel threatened?

A For my personal safety, no, sir.

Q Thank you. Pass the witness. No further ques-

tions.

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AND FURTHER THIS WITNESS SAID NOT.

THE COURT: Any further questions?

MR. GOAD: If I could have just a moment. No

other questions at this time. We'd like to reserve the right

to recall.

THE COURT: All right. We'll ask you to remain

in the witness room until you're recalled and don’t [122]

discuss your testimony with anyone.

SGT. CLARK: Not with the other witnesses?

THE COURT: Well, the two (2) that’s testified

can stay together, but not with the ones that have not

testified.

[The witness, First Sergeant Richard C. Clark, Jr., is

again excluded from the courtroom and from the hearing

of any of the matters therein.)

THE COURT: Next?

MR. GOAD: Rebecca Sechrist.

REBECCA SECHRIST, first having duly affirmed her

oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the

truth, was examined and testified as follows:

DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. GOAD:

Q Good afternoon.

(123)A Hi.

Q State your name please.

A Rebecca Sechrist.

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. Q 0. K And, Mrs. Sechrist, if you would, scoot up a

little bit so we can pick up the voice on the mike so every-

body can hear. Where do you live at, Mrs. Sechrist?

In Cana. Cana, Virginia.

That’s in Carroll County?

Yes, sir.

And your husband’s name is Roger?

Yes, sir.

And did you live in that area on August 22nd,

Yes, sir.

And were you at home that day?

Yes, sir. We wasn’t, we wasn’t home that

we was home that evening. —

Q Right. What time did you get back home?

A About four o’clock (4:00), between four (4:00

four thirty (4:30). vias

Q And what did you find once you got back home?

[124] A Well, right beside our house, it was all

" roped

up, off, and we at first thought it was a, somebody going to

cena camathiag ent then when wo acted aay

mother-in-law she said that i

we a they were having a Ku

Q Right.

A Yes, sir.

ro"

a es ae

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Q Did you see any sign indicating that?

A Not until late that evening, later, you know, right

before it.

Uh-huh. Now, this was not on your property?

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No, sir.

Property that adjoins you?

Yes, sir.

And did you see any individuals out in the field?

Yes, sir.

And what were they doing?

Putting a cross together.

Right.

A And they were just hanging out, you know, but

[125] most of the men were putting a cross, a big cross

together.

Q Right.

A And they had little kids and everything out there

helping.

Q Right.

MR. GOAD: If I may approach the witness?

THE COURT: You may.

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Q I have in my possession Exhibits #1 through #4. ®

have at this time Exhibit #2 and there’s a house in

corner of the picture.

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A That’s our home.

Q O.K Now, I understand that you all were actually

not living in it at that time?

A No. They just had brought it that week and set it

down.

Q And your husband’s parents live next door?

A Yeah. On up the hill, up this way.

Q Right. So you were actually staying with them and

getting ready to move in?

[126)A Yes, sir.

Q O.K. And who owns the property next to you?

A Jov Sechrist or Anna Lee Sechrist.

Q_ And that’s his mother?

A Yes.

Q O. K And were you present in the area from four

o’clock (4:00) that afternoon on into the evening?

A Yes, sir.

Q And what did you do during that time?

A Mostly sat and watched to see what’s going on.

Q Right.

MR. GOAD: If I may approach again?

THE COURT: You may.

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@ On Exhibit #2, there's been a notation by the

Sheriff of the general area of where the cross was erected

at. Does that appear accurate?

A Yes, sir.

Q O. K And you would agree that it’s « pretty flat

terrain area from the road area? :

[127] A Yes, sir.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, the photograph will

speak for itself.

MR. GOAD: Yes.

THE COURT: Sustain the objection.

Q Now, in this part of the picture, it appears to drop

down on the back side. Do you know the lay of that land

back in that area?

A Now, right in here, it kind of goes down, but it goes

back up on, behind these trees and it’s kind of flat, you

know, pretty flat out back behind the trees.

Q Right. Is that an open field in that dip on the back

side?

A Right here?

Q Right.

A Not right here, it’s not, but on the back side of

these trees, it is. You can see it like from right behind our

trailer and look around these woods, you can see how open

it is back there.

[128] Q Right. And that’s still the property of Joey

Sechrist’s mother?

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A Yes, sir.

Q Now, if a person was back there, could they be

seen from the public road?

A No. No, sir.

Q O. K. Did there come a point where various

speeches began being made from the group?

A Yes, sir.

Q And was there a PA system or just people speak-

ing or what?

A They had a PA system. You know, before, before

they put the robes and stuff on, they just, you know,

talked, but after they put the robes on, they had a PA

system and a stage.

Q Uh-huh. So when the speeches were being made,

the robes were on?

A Yes, sir.

MR. BAUGH: Objection to speeches, Your

Honor. I don’t believe she’s testified to that. That’s assum-

ing a fact not in evidence.

[129] THE COURT: Sustain the objection.

Q Did there come a point where you heard state-

ments being made from the group?

A Yes, sir. All of them that had...

Q Excuse me. Let me jump in for a second. And at

that time, were the robes and the hats on?

A Yes, sir.

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Q All right. And do you know how many peop’e

spoke?

d said a, a little

A All that had the robes on got up an » a

speech about what they were there and what they believed

in and stuff.

Q Right. Did you hear any threats be’ ag made from

those statements?

MR. BAUGH: Objection unless they came, they

were coming from my client, Your Honor. I don’t want my

client being held responsible for statements made by

others.

MR. McLEES: Your Honor, ...

MR. BAUGH: [Im going to object to ——

double-[130] teamed finally. Whoever is going to handle

the questions is going to handle the objection.

MR. McLEES: I think that’s entirely up to the

Court. I think that’s within the discretion a

ink i iate that, Mr.

THE COURT: I think it’s appropriate »I

Goad is asking the questions, so let him state the objec-

tion.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you.

MR. GOAD: Judge, to begin with, he’s waived

that objection during his cross examination of —e

Clark. He asked him were there any statements ma by

the individuals that he could hear. He also asked —

there any threats that were made from the rally. =

opened the door on this issue and he can’t object to e

testimony regarding that very same issue at this time.

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And, secondly, it’s an adopted admission by the Defen-

dant. It’s already in evidence that he’s admitted that he

was the leader of the Klan rally, that he was responsible

for the burning of the cross, thereby he’s made an adoptive

admission of what the speeches were made during this

rally.

(131] MR. BAUGH: DoI understand it correctly

if 'm a member of the Democratic party and someone says

something, then that means I’m saying it as well? Your

Honor, that is not only not a proper evidentiary argument,

that’s illogical. Additionally, Your Honor, I would point out

that I asked the officer not what were the contents, I said

were they made. He said no. If I had gone into what

statements were made, counsel should have objected

because that would have been impermissible. But this,

he’s now trying to find out what was said and that is a

violation, unless they have a recognized common law

hearsay exception that overcomes the presumptions of the

confrontation clause, that is impermissible.

THE COURT: Any further comment?

MR. GOAD: Just the test for the adoption, the

adoptive admission is whether a person similarly situated

would have felt themselves called upon to deny the state-

ments effecting them in the event they did not intend to

express acquiescence by the failure to do so. With these

statements being made at his rally, I think these are

relevant as adoptive admissions.

MR. BAUGH: If this lady’s, first, I’m not [132]

saying that’s valid, but even then, I haven’t even heard

them say he was present at the time these statements

were made. May I take her on voir dire to make determi-

nation and then the Court can rule?

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THE COURT: You may.

VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION BY MR. BAUGH:

Q Ma’am, did you see this lady, this man here when

the speeches, you say, were going on?

A Yes, sir.

Q Do you recognize him? You saw him the whole

time?

A He was there and then after, now, after they put

the robes on, I couldn’t tell you who was who.

Q And so you said that while the speeches, they put

their robes on and started giving speeches. Right?

A Yes, sir.

Q So you don’t know if when the speeches were going

on, he was there or not. Right?

A No. I couldn't recognize him after the robe was

[133] on.

Q Thank you.

MR. BAUGH: Re-urge the objection twice.

THE COURT: Do you have any questions you

would like to ask with the, with, in that regard?

MR. GOAD: No, sir.

THE COURT: Anything further you want to say

about it?

MR. GOAD: No, sir.

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THE COURT: Im going to overrule the objec-

tion. You may proceed.

MR. BAUGH: Note my exception.

THE COURT: Yes, sir.

CONTINUED DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. GOAD:

Q O.K. Mrs. Sechrist, if you would, go forward and

tell us what threatening statements you heard being made

at the...

MR. BAUGH: Objection to the characterization

of [134] threatening. She can say what she heard.

THE COURT: Sustain the objection. Don’t lead

the witness. You can ask her what she heard and she can

tell us.

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir.

Q What statements did you hear?

A They were real, they were real, talked a lot about

blacks — and I don’t call them the word they called it, they

called it, it started with an N and I don’t, I don’t use that

word, I’m sorry — but they talked real bad about the blacks

and the Mexicans and they talked about how one (1) guy

got up and said that he would love to take a .30/.30 and

just random shoot the blacks and talked about how they

would like to send the blacks and the Mexicans back from

where they come from and talked about President Clinton

and Hillary Clinton and about the government funding

money for the, for the people that can’t afford housing and

stuff and if they, their tax, how their tax paying goes to

keep [135] the black people up and stuff like that.

Q Right. And how did this make you feel?

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A It made me feel very, I was scared. I was, I was,

there was people down at the road hollering and then

them up there talking about stuff like that and, you know,

all these people were hollering that thought we had it in

our back yard because, see, they just brought our home

that week and set it down and they were hollering, they

don’t see how these people can move in...

MR. BAUGH: Object, Your Honor. We're now

going to statements from people who were not in the cally.

THE COURT: It sounds that way.

MR. GOAD: That would be a proper objection.

THE COURT: All right. Sustain the objection.

Q How did the burning of the cross make you feel?

A Oh, it made me feel awful. It, they all walked

around and then they would go in one (1) circle and say

things and then they would go around in [136] another

circle and say things and then they went up and all met at

the bottom of the cross and lit it and played Amazing

Grace and I tell you what, I was just, it was just terrible. It

was terrible to see, that, when they were talking about

random shooting black people and all, the guy that said it

and everything talked about killing people and then get up

there and seid that when he died, he knowed, that he was

a good Christian and when he died, he knowed he was

going to heaven and then to burn the cross like that, I just,

I just, I couldn’t begin to put in words how I felt. I cried, I

sat there and I cried. I didn’t know what was going to

happen between everything going on. It was just terrible.

Q You know, when you said earlier that you were

scared, what were you scared of?

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. A I was scared our home would get burned or

thing would happen to it. We've got two (2) kids and I was

afraid that something would happen to them because

they're, they've got [137] their license, they're out by

theirself and, I mean, you know, for weeks after this

happened, we had trouble with people riding by, stopping

in ncn of the road, hollering white power and just,

- , we had an awful time and we didn’t know what

Q Right.

A And we was just afraid one (1) day we’d get up and

_ our house burned or get shot at or something, we didn’t

know what to expect.

Q How long did that feeling go on?

A It went on for at least, for a cou

, ple of months and

then after the cold, cold weather, you know, they got to

where that, it never failed that, every time we, like I said,

they just put our home in and we stayed outside working

on it a lot and when they would see us out, it seemed like

it would just start, every little bit, riding by hollering.

MR. BAUGH: Objection

again, Your Honor.

These are statements by people other than those at the

rally. [138] They should be excluded. We'd ask the jury to

be instructed to disregard.

THE COURT: Do you

C ene agree with that, Mr.

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir. She hadn’t said it

agree that it is a proper objection. ——

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THE COURT: Members of the jury, the state-

ments attributed to other people after the rally, disregard

all those statements and don’t consider it in arriving at

your verdict.

Q O. K Answer any questions Mr. Baugh might

have.

Q Mrs. Sechrist, I’m David Baugh.

A Hi.

Q We've never met. Ma’am, when you said you were

afraid somebody might come burn your trailer, you were

afraid that the people who didn’t like the Klan were going

to come. Right?

[139]A No, sir.

Q Oh, you thought the Klan was going to come?

A Yes, sir. Anybody that can burn a cross like that, I,

and have so much hatred for people, I don’t, I don’t put

anything past them.

Q And this isn’t a stupid question.

Yes, sir.

It’s for the purpose of the record.

Yes, sir.

You're not black or Hispanic, are you?

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No, sir.

Q O. K. Now, you were there from four o'clock (4:00)

until, what time did they leave?

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A I don’t, I have no, I don’t know. We were outside

and I didn’t have a clock. I don’t, it was late.

Q Ten (10:00), eleven o’clock (11:00) maybe?

Yes, sir. Somewhere around there. And the . . .

Did you have a car out there?

Did we have a car? No, sir.

How did you get there?

Our, walking. My mother-in-law lived right [140]

there near us.

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Q You didn’t have a telephone yet, did you?

A No, sir. They just had set it down that week.

Q Ma’am, did you ever get so fearful that you and

your husband walked away?

A What do you mean — walked away?

Went up to your mother-in-law’s house?

Q

A Yes, sir. We...

Q Between four (4:00) and eleven (11:00), did you go?

A

Yes, sir.

Q You left? When were you gone between four (4:00)

and eleven (11:00)?

A Now, we sit on the bank right at our mother-in-

law's house the whole night. We was afraid to go, we was

afraid to leave after the law run them off.

Q

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But, ma’am, didn’t your mother-in-law give them

permission to do, to have this thing?

A

Q

A

aunt?

Q

A

Q

A

Q

A

Q

A

Q

No, sir.

She didn’t sign a lease agreement?

No, sir. You’re talking about my husband’s [141]

Oh, I’m sorry. Forgive me.

Yeah.

All right.

No. My mother-in-law had nothing to do with this.

Who is, who is your husband’s aunt?

Anna Lee Sechrist.

She’s the owner of the property?

Yes, sir.

And it’s your understanding that Anna Lee

Sechrist gave the Klan permission to have this function on

her property?

A From what I heard.

Q Is she here?

A No, sir.

Q As you sit here now, do you know if the Klan did

anything out there that she didn’t know about?

A No, sir. But it was told...

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Q O. K Now, and you say while they burned the

cross, they stopped doing the screaming and stuff about

black people and they started [142] singing Amazing

Grace?

A No, sir. They didn’t .. .

Q When did they sing Amazing Grace?

A They didn’t sing. They played it on the intercom

system.

Q Oh.

A It was just music.

Q All right. They played Amazing Grace?

A Yes, sir.

Q And let me guess, while they were burning the

cross, they weren't talking any more. They were listening

to the music?

A Yes, sir.

Q All right. And there was nothing threatening

about Amazing Grace, was there?

A While the cross was burning, I felt it was.

Do you think Amazing Grace is scary when .. .

No, sir.

Q

A

Q OK

A It’s the most beautiful song.

Q Yes indeed. Did you see the police out on the

street, on the road?

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[143] A Well, it was dark and you couldn't tell, the

dark, you couldn’t see who was on the street.

Q Did you go complain to the police?

Yes, sir.

All right. You saw their blue lights flashing?

Yes, sir.

And when did you complain to the police?

When they had pulled up around our trailer.

And who is they?

Sheriff Manning and...

The question, ma’am, did you see the police out in

the street an hour and a half before the cross got burned?

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A No, sir.

Q_ I will ask you specifically if you saw a light, if you

saw a car with a blue light on top of it on that road?

A No, sir.

Q Did you look out in the street to see what was out

there?

A You couldn’t tell what was out there. It was too

dark.

[144] Q You're telling me that from your trailer to

the road surface, if a police car was sitting out there with

its distinctive blue lights going around, you can’t see it?

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A Well, at the road, the lights wasn’t going around

until they got pulled off to go u tow

po go up ard, up toward our

Q So if hypothetically someone were to come to court

and say that they put their police equipment up there an

hour and a half before the cross was burned and they

watched and they had their safi i

not a true statement? or

A Well, now, when they, before, right

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come over, they turned them on. teas —

Q No. The question was, if someone said that his

safety equipment was on, the blue lights .. .

A Yes, sir.

Q The car was parked an ho d

ae: ” ur and a half before the

A Yes, sir.

Q That would be a false, he he, th

(145) false statement? ial ae

A Yes, sir.

Q That someone was sitting with those lights on?

A Yes, sir.

Q All right. Now, of course, . . .

A Not with the lights blinking u kn

wasn't, the lights wasn’t blinking on. or lhe

Q Well, could you see a car parked out on the road?

A Yeah. Yeah.

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Q And could you see that the car had a light rack on

top of it?

A No, sir.

Q Did anyone ever say anything threatening di-

rected toward you?

A No, sir.

Q So it’s your testimony that the hatred, we’ll say for

want of a better term, being exhibited made you uncom-

fortable?

A Yes, sir.

Q All right. And you’re uncomfortable by other

displays of hatred, aren't you?

[146]A Yes, sir.

Q I mean, if you seen this on television, it would

have disturbed you, wouldn’t it?

A Yes, sir.

Q And when you see things just men disliking other

men, it makes you uncomfortable, doesn’t it?

A Yes, sir.

Q Did, do you know whether or not the people who

were there that night - the Klanspeople, assuming they’re

all Klanspeople — do you know of your own knowledge

whether or not they asked Mrs. Annabell Sechrist, I’m

sorry I’m messing up your last name...

A That's okay.

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Q Iknow I’m not the only one (1) who’s ever done it.

Do you know if those Klanspeople, if they were doing

anything that they hadn’t asked Annabell Sechrist per-

mission to do? Do you know that of your own knowledge?

A No, sir.

. Q Based on what you saw, your subjective opinion,

did you get the impression that these people [147] were

intentionally trying to scare you or were they j

: y just sa

things of hatred that made you scared? sais

A I think they were trying to scare me.

. Q All right. And what did they say that made you

think they were trying to scare you?

A Well, they were asking, they were asking Joey,

Anna Lee’s son, who we were and, and asked who our

mother-in-law and father-in-law was and all about us and,

I mean, if there wasn’t anything to do with us, I can’t see

why they cared who we were.

Q So they, because they asked you that, you thought

they were trying to threaten you?

A Yes, sir.

Q But they didn’t, when they asked you this, they

didn’t make any threatening statements to you, did they?

A No, sir.

Q So, I mean, and you’ve been asked who you are

before in your life?

A Yes, sir.

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[148] Q So because you were being asked by Klans-

men, you perceived that as threatening?

A Yes, sir.

Q It isn’t what they said or the way they said it, it

was the fact that Klansmen said it?

A Yes, sir.

Do you dislike anybody?

No, sir.

You like everybody?

Yes, sir.

Even Rush Limbaugh?

Who?

Rush Limbaugh?

I don’t know who that is.

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Q O. K. Pass the witness. I could tell you didn’t

know.

THE COURT: Any further questions?

MR. GOAD: Yes, sir. A few follow up.

[149] Q Anna Sechrist was the owner of the land

where the meeting was on?

A Yes, sir.

Q And her son is Joey?

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A Yes, sir.

Q Allright. And where is your tract of land located?

A Right about, I'd say about thirty (30) foot from

where theirs starts.

Q Right. And so it’s adjacent to that?

Yes, sir.

All right. Now, who lives on the other side of you?

On the other side?

Right.

My mother-in-law and father-in-law.

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Q And is that the location that you were at?

A Yes, sir.

Q You didn’t have anything to do with Anna Sechrist

or Joey Sechrist?

A No, sir.

Q O.K All right. Did you see any blue lights [150]

being turned on that night?

A Yes, sir.

Q And was that before or after the deputies first

came up to you?

A Before.

Q Right. And then was that when you made your

report to them, when they came up?

A Yes, sir.

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Q And then was that also before the cross got

burned?

A No, sir. That was after the cross got burned.

Q When you made your report?

A Yes, sir.

Q What about the blue lights? Was that before the

A No, sir. It was after the cross.

Q After the cross. O. K. All right. Thank you. That’s

AND FURTHER THIS WITNESS SAID NOT.

MR. BAUGH: No further questions.

[151] THE COURT: All right. Do you plan to

recall this witness?

MR. GOAD: Possibly.

THE COURT: All right. We'll ask you to wait

then in the back area until you're recalled and don’t

discuss your testimony with anyone please.

[The witness, Rebecca Sechrist, is again excluded from

the courtroom and from the hearing of any of the matters

therein.)

THE COURT: Any further evidence?

MR. GOAD: No, sir. That would be our case.

THE COURT: Commonwealth rests. Members of

the jury, we’re going to take a recess at this time and don't

discuss the evidence or anything at this point, wait until

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you hear the arguments of counsel. You may now retire

and make yourself comfortable and we'll take about fifteen

(15) minutes.

THE JURY RETIRES TO THE JURY ROOM, OUT OF

HEARING OF ANY MATTERS HELD IN THE COURT-

ROOM

[152] THE COURT: All right. The jury has

departed. Do I have any motions to come before the Court?

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, we would have a

motion to strike. We would reassert all our previous

motions. I would tell the Court that now we see the prob-

lem with this statute and its lack of definition. The stan-

dard here is intent of a Defendant. As the Court is well

aware, the intimidation cannot be based upon some

sensibility of the person who feels threatened. It must be

actually directed with the intent to cause them to be

fearful.

All of this occurred on property where it appears there

was permission. Nothing appeared to have occurred, there

was no trespass. The lady said that, Mrs. Sechrist said the

reason that she was upset was not because of what was

said, but because of who was saying it and there’s the

problem. That’s the problem with this statute. That sort of

thing happens.

So for the reasons previously stated and the light that

the government must prove, even with their inferences

now, I understand there’s an inference that the burning of

a cross, however, that the burning of a cross is calculated

to intimidated, but this lady has now given [153] us

another alternative. This lady said that there were threats

going on, but when it came time for the cross to be burned,

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everybody got quiet and they played Amazing Grace and

remember, the crime, going back to real basic law school, a

crime occurs when all of ths elements occur in the same

time and space. Therefore, the threat to intimidate and

the burning of the cross must occur in the same time and

space and they didn’t. When the cross was burning, they

were playing Amazing Grace.

Your Honor, I would submit that the government has

not met its burden of showing that the purpose of the

burning of the cross was to make people in fear of bodily

injury, even though not imminent, even though I’ve made

that objection previously, that was not the purpose.

Now, Your Honor, there’s a lot of discussion here about

Klansmen and robes and all that — and I’ve got trouble

with them, too — that doesn’t change the standards of the

law. It must be calculated to cause fear of bodily injury.

Your Honor, we now have from the government's witness a

different version and therefore they've lost their inference

with that witness and I’d make a motion to strike.

[154] THE COURT: Gentlemen?

MR. GOAD: Judge, of course, on the motion to

strike, the evidence is viewed in the light most favorable to

the Commonwealth. At this stage in the case, we have

presented sufficient evidence. You have the inference of

the statute which is very important and then you have to

look at the evidence of the case as a whole, you just can’t

say when this happened at one (1) time, this happened

thereafter, it’s all considered together.

In the case, you have the burning of the cross which is

the presumption of the intent to intimidate, during leading

up to the burning of the cross with the speeches, you have

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specific direct language of, that we're going to take a

-30/.30 and shoot the black people, which, of course, that

wasn't what they said. The testimony was that they used

the N word and that they were going to shoot them ran-

domly. That further goes to the intent and then you have

the Defendant's own words that, after he was arrested, to

Investigator Clark, he said when is the white man going to

stand up to the — should they be in here?

THE COURT: No. They shouldn't.

MR. BAUGH: No. I had a question for th

Sheriff. You need to step out. ="

. MR. GOAD: And his own statements of when is

the white man going to stand up to the blacks and Mexi-

cans in this area and then you have the bit about the

blacks and Mexicans holding hands with the white women

along the sidewalks in this area.

So you have his own words. You have the presumption

of the cross. You have the let’s take a .30/.30 and shoot

them during the rally and then also you have the size of

the cross ~ twenty-five (25) to thirty (30) foot high. The

testimony is that they could have went on to a back section

of the property and where they would have not have been

seen and had this rally, but, no, they had it near the public

road in a flat area where the twenty-five (25) to thirty (30)

foot cross ~ which I think is also relevant on the issue of

intimidation, the height of it — so, in summary of all that

together, there is sufficient evidence.

THE COURT: You may close.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, I couldn’t let it pass —

the fact that the height of the cross has something to do

with the degree of intimidation. So if my client were to

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[156] burn a smaller cross, it would be okay. Your Honor,

the problem with this sort of statute is that it lends itself

to people allowing their own prejudices to attack the

prejudices of others and that’s the problem with this

statute. It leaves vagueness as a standard.

They have not met their burden on the statute. We

move to strike.

THE COURT: All right, gentlemen. Thank you

for those observations. Considering the evidence in its

entirety, the Court is of the opinion that the evidence is

sufficient to withstand a motion to strike. I'm going to

deny your motion.

MR. BAUGH: Note my exception. We will call

Sheriff Manring. I’m sorry. I just thought of it. Sheriff

Manning please.

THE COURT: All right. We'll bring the jury

back.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you.

THE COURT: See if they've had enough time.

They may need another minute or two (2).

MR. BAUGH: Yes. We'll wait:

THE COURT: We promised them a little recess.

[157] Let’s take five (5) minutes of our own.

MR. BAUGH: Thank you, sir.

THE COURT STANDS IN RECESS

THE COURT: All right. Are we all back in the

courtroom?

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MR. BAUGH: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: Is the jury ready?

BAILIFF: Yes, sir.

THE COURT: All right. Bring the jury in.

THE JURY RETURNS TO THE COURTROOM

THE COURT: All right. You

may be seated.

Commonwealth’s rested. Defendant have any evidence?

MR. BAUGH: Sheriff Manning please.

THE COURT: Yes. Sheriff Manni

ewer, Jat be ante end po Manan, youve ben

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[158] SHERIFF H WARREN MANNIN:

L G, still bei

under his oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and

nothing but the truth, was recalled to the

; stan

examined and testified as follows: oon wm

Q Sheriff, a couple of ’

° questions. Y.

there that night, didn’t you? aw ay ce

A Yes, sir.

@ He was wearing the purple robe?

A I guess. I knew some kind of robe.

Q Was Mrs. Sechrist, Annabell Sechrist there?

A Yes, sir.

Q She's the property owner?

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A Yes, sir.

Q She was sitting around while the cross was being

burned, wasn’t she?

A Yes, sir.

Q And it is her property?

A Yes, sir. Best of my, best of my knowledge.

Q And she was a participant, it would appear, Le

[159] the rally in which a cross was burned. Am I correct?

MR. GOAD: Objection. Speculation.

MR. BAUGH: Withdrawn. Rephrase.

THE COURT: All right.

Q Was she sitting within fifty (50), a hundred (100)

feet of where this fire was burning?

A Probably. |

Q Was she pointed towards what was going on?

A Yes. The best I could tell.

Q@ And she has trouble with her mobility, doesn’t

she?

A The only thing I know is she was sitting down.

That’s the first time I ever met her.

Q Did you ever go over and talk to her about this

event because it was her property?

A No. I think she, if I’m not mistaken, she hollered

at me and I think she got up, I’m not for sure, but she did

say words to me.

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Q And she said it was public property, private [160]

property.

A_ Said they had permission.

Q She said the Klan had permission to do this?

A Right. She did.

Q And at that time you didn’t know who the wizard

was — when she made that statement? Am I correct?

A He had done came up and told me and then she

started. I think that’s the way it was.

Q As the owner of the property who was condoning

the burning of this cross, in your estimation had she

violated the law?

MR. GOAD: Objection. That’s not relevant.

MR. BAUGH: It is, Your Honor. If, I mean, my,

my client’s intent in burning the cross is an issue, if he has

permission and he doesn’t think he’s doing anything wrong

and the owner’s right there, that would certainly mitigate.

We're not talking about sneaking into somebody's back

yard and burning a cross.

THE COURT: Any further comment?

MR. GOAD: Judge, the fact that she may have

[161] consented to the rally doesn’t have anything to do

with what the Defendant’s intent was — which is what the

issue is in this case. She hasn’t been charged. We're only

here with what the Defendant did. What she may or may

not have done is not relevant.

MR. BAUGH: Your Honor, the statute says if

you burn it yourself or you cause it to be burned and under

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our statute if you aid and abet in the burning. She aided

and abetted in the burning. She is an older woman. She

wasn’t arrested. I believe that is germane to the issue of

mitigation. He gets arrested. The other person doesn’t.

And further, I would submit that his coming forward, I

think the jury will reasonably infer the reason he came

forward and offered to be arrested was because she was in

trouble.

MR. GOAD: Objection. There’s no evidence of

that and mitigation is not for this stage either.

THE COURT: I sustain the objection.

MR. BAUGH: Note my exception.

THE COURT: Yes, sir.

2 When you got my client downtown to be booked,

[162] was he still in his robes?

A No.

Q I want

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