Reply Brief — Project Veritas, et al., Petitioners v. Nathan Vasquez, in His Official Capacity as Multnomah County District Attorney, et al.
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No. 24-1061
IN THE
Supreme Court of the United States
PROJECT VERITAS, et al.,
Petitioners,
v.
NATHAN VASQUEZ, IN HIS OFFICIAL
CAPACITY AS MULTNOMAH COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY, et al.,
Respondents.
ON PETITION FOR A WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE
UNITED STATES COURT OF A PPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
REPLY BRIEF
BENJAMIN BARR*
Counsel of Record
BARR & KLEIN PLLC
1050 30th Street NW
Washington, DC 20007
(202) 595-4671
ben@barrklein.com
STEPHEN R. KLEIN
BARR & KLEIN PLLC
1629 K Street NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Counsel for Petitioners
120513
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(800) 274-3321 • (800) 359-6859
* Admitted in Illinois and not a member of the D.C. Bar. Practicing
law in the District of Columbia in federal courts pursuant to D.C.
Court of Appeals Rule 49(c)(3).
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
Page
TABLE OF CONTENTS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i
TABLE OF CITED AUTHORITIES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . iii
INTRODUCTION. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
ARGUMENT. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
I.
This Case Presents a Strong Procedural
Posture . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
A. The Questions Presented Fairly Include
Facial and As-Applied Challenges . . . . . . . .1
B. The Severability of the Law’s Content
Based Provisions is Fairly Included
Within the Questions Presented . . . . . . . . . .3
C. This Case is an Ideal Vehicle for Review . . .4
II. The En Banc Opinion was Wrongly Decided. . . .5
A. Oregon Revised Statutes § 165.540 is
Not Content Neutral . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5
B. Oregon Revised Statutes § 165.540
Does not Address any Recognizable
Government Interest . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6
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Table of Contents
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C. Oregon Revised Statutes § 165.540 is
not Narrowly Tailored . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .8
III. The Ninth Circuit’s Ruling on Content
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Court and Other Circuits . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10
A. Reed Affirms That Oregon Revised
Statutes § 165.540 is Facially Content
Based . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10
B. T he Deci sion Below Deepens a
Circuit Split Arising from Ag-Gag
Laws . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11
CONCLUSION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13
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TABLE OF CITED AUTHORITIES
Page
Cases
American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois v.
Alvarez,
679 F.3d 583 (7th Cir. 2012). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .8, 9
Animal Legal Defense Fund v. Reynolds,
8 F.4th 781 (8th Cir. 2021) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12
Animal Legal Defense Fund v. Kelly,
9 F.4th 1219 (10th Cir. 2021) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12
Cahaly v. Larosa,
796 F.3d 399 (4th Cir. 2015). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission,
558 U.S. 310 (2010) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
City of Austin v. Reagan National Advertising,
596 U.S. 61 (2022). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5
Fields v. Philadelphia,
862 F.3d 353 (3d Cir. 2017) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12
Florida Star v. B.J.F.,
491 U.S. 524 (1989) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7
Legal Servs. Corp. v. Velazquez,
531 U.S. 533 (2001) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3
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Cited Authorities
Page
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806 F.3d 411 (7th Cir. 2015). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11
Ohio v. Robinette,
519 U.S. 33 (1996) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals v.
North Carolina Farm Bureau,
60 F.4th 815 (4th Cir. 2023) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11
R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, Minn.,
505 U.S. 377 (1992) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7
Reed v. Town of Gilbert, Ariz.,
707 F.3d 1057 (9th Cir. 2013) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6
Reed v. Town of Gilbert,
576 U.S. 155 (2015) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5, 6, 10
Snyder v. Phelps,
562 U.S. 443 (2011) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7
Turner v. Driver,
848 F.3d 678 (5th Cir. 2017). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12
Constitutional Provisions
U.S. Const. amend. I . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 11, 12
v
Cited Authorities
Page
Statutes
O.R.S. § 165.540 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1, 5, 6, 8, 10
O.R.S. § 165.540(5)(a) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6
O.R.S. § 165.540(5)(b) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6
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INTRODUCTION
The brief in opposition captures the extremity of
Oregon Revised Statutes § 165.540. Respondents Nathan
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made the recording; it also belongs to the people whose
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not in any state, not even in the footnotes of a fantastical
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a blanket restriction of unannounced audio recording is
akin to a blanket restriction of unannounced photography
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extreme and wholly unsupported interest of individual or
conversational privacy, Oregon’s recording law fails any
measure of scrutiny. Compare App.36-48, 196-203 with
App.81-86, 117-123. This Court should grant certiorari to
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Amendment protects individuals from governmental
censorship masquerading as privacy.
ARGUMENT
I.
This Case Presents a Strong Procedural Posture
A.
The Questions Presented Fairly Include Facial
and As-Applied Challenges
Veritas consistently pressed both facial and asapplied challenges to Oregon’s recording ban, and both
forms of its First Amendment claim are presented to
this Court. Contra Opp.17-21. From the outset, Veritas’s
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doubt that both aspects were raised: indeed, the court
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pursued relief on both grounds, and the Ninth Circuit
ultimately ruled that Oregon’s law is constitutional.
This Court’s precedent makes clear that whether a
claim is styled as facial or as applied does not determine
whether it may be heard or decided. Rather, it affects only
how far reaching the relief will be if the claim succeeds.
As this Court explained in Citizens United v. Federal
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automatically controls the pleadings or outcome in every
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both instructive and necessary, for it goes to the breadth of
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Id. Once a constitutional claim is properly before the
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whether that means invalidating the law in its entirety or
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considered below. In this case, Veritas’s First Amendment
claim was squarely presented and decided at each step, so
the Court has the authority to address the law’s validity
in either form.
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consistent with the First Amendment, whether in whole
or in part. Accordingly, the petition presents a proper and
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important vehicle for resolving the constitutionality of this
law. Upholding free speech rights here does not depend
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recognizing that Oregon’s ban cannot survive the required
scrutiny. Both the facial and as-applied claims warrant
correction of the Ninth Circuit’s decision and merit this
Court’s intervention.
B. The Severability of the Law’s Content Based
Provisions is Fairly Included Within the
Questions Presented
The State’s severability gambit cannot erase the
clear import of the statutory text challenged in this
controversy.1 Contra Opp.16-17. At the certiorari stage, the
question is whether Oregon’s ban raises a substantial First
Amendment issue. It plainly does. By its terms, the law
criminalizes virtually all unannounced audio recording
of almost any conversation, with narrow exceptions for
preferred content and circumstances. App.209-217. Those
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the scope of prohibited versus permitted speech. In
evaluating content neutrality and tailoring, a court must
consider the law as it stands, including its selective reach.
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severability follows the content-based determination, or
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the exceptions only after determining whether any part
1. Relatedly, the State did not timely press a severability
argument below. App.124; see Legal Servs. Corp. v. Velazquez,
531 U.S. 533, 549 (2001).
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of the law failed scrutiny. App.49-52. The State further
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would proceed under intermediate rather than strict
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under Veritas’s second question presented. Severability
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second question presented and fairly included therein.
Ohio v. Robinette, 519 U.S. 33, 38 (1996); Pet.i-ii.
C.
This Case is an Ideal Vehicle for Review
The petition presents an excellent vehicle to resolve
the important First Amendment questions surrounding
audio recording laws. The issue is squarely presented on a
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opinion, a concurrence disputing whether recording is
even speech, and a vigorous dissent highlighting the
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of viewpoints. App.1-94. There are no factual disputes or
procedural obstacles here: the case was decided as a pure
question of law on a motion to dismiss, so the Court can
cleanly address the First Amendment issues. App.177-204.
This case is an ideal vehicle because it encapsulates
the issue in a straightforward way: Oregon’s law is one of
the nation’s broadest restrictions of recording, enforced
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well developed, and there are no procedural anomalies.
In short, this petition offers the Court the opportunity
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and dissemination of information about matters of public
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how Reed v. Town of Gilbert and related precedent apply to
laws restricting the creation of speech. 576 U.S. 155 (2015).
The case is ready for review, and the question presented
is of national importance. See, e.g., Law Professors Amici
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on undercover investigations and newsgathering, like
criminalizing unannounced recordings, is an issue of
pressing importance and one not previously decided by the
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It proves too much for the State to even attempt to
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issues of censorship and has reached this Court with
starkly contrasting substantive opinions from an en banc
panel of a court of appeals. The issue of severability and
Veritas’s applied challenges are fairly included in the two
questions presented. Pet.i-ii. This case is a sturdy vehicle;
the law at issue is not.
II. The En Banc Opinion was Wrongly Decided
A.
Oregon Revised Statutes § 165.540 is Not
Content Neutral
Respondents’ content-neutrality claim misreads City
of Austin v. Reagan National Advertising, 596 U.S. 61
(2022). Opp.21-24. There, this Court held only that a
regulation distinguishing on-premises from off-premises
signs was not aimed at the communicative topic of the
sign. City of Austin, 596 U.S. at 71–72. This is a far cry
from Oregon’s law, which differentiates speech based on
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recording falls under the felony exception, one must assess
what was happening and said during the conversation.
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O.R.S. § 165.540(5)(a) (App.213). To invoke the law
enforcement exception, one must identify the participants
and the context. O.R.S. § 165.540(5)(b) (App.213-214).
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not others is picking and choosing news by topic, which
is content-based censorship in disguise. These are not
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rules. Opp. 10; App.29-30. This doctrinal error is one the
Ninth Circuit is familiar with.
The en banc panel, for all its efforts, simply could
not resist repeating the same mistakes made by the
Ninth Circuit in Reed. Once again, it leapt directly to an
examination of legislative intent and grasping desperately
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U.S. at 165; see Reed v. Town of Gilbert, Ariz., 707 F.3d
1057, 1070–72 (9th Cir. 2013). The Ninth Circuit was
rebuked by this Court yet stubbornly doubled down on
the same approach here. App.27-35. A similar course
correction is needed for a circuit in open rebellion against
this Court’s settled First Amendment standards.
B. Oregon Revised Statutes § 165.540 Does
not Address any Recognizable Government
Interest
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with sidewalk chatter. Opp.25-29. Indeed, Oregon’s novel
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is oblivious to decades of First Amendment precedent
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in public. Such speech contributes meaningfully to public
discourse precisely because it occurs in the public view,
where listeners have the right not only to hear but also to
document and disseminate information about it. A default
interest in public privacy stretches the concept so thin it
would cover a loud political debate on a sidewalk with the
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a therapist. See Opp.25-26. But as this Court reiterated in
Snyder v. Phelps, speech occurring in a public setting on
matters of public concern receives heightened protection
precisely because it is not private. 562 U.S. 443, 452 (2011);
see also Florida Star v. B.J.F., 491 U.S. 524, 540 (1989);
R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, Minn., 505 U.S. 377, 387–88
(1992). The State’s attempt to transform every park bench
and café patio into a sanctuary of privacy is as untenable
constitutionally as it is fanciful in reality.
One of the most dangerous parts of the State’s
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to convert the technological ease and effectiveness of
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UHSHDWHGO\>@·µId. (quoting App.39-40). This is a big step
up from the printing press. But the State twists the
power of the medium into a privacy interest, regardless
of the circumstances in which conversations are recorded.
Bizarrely, the interest makes private even the words of a
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a reasonable standard; it is no standard at all.
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C.
Oregon Revised Statutes § 165.540 is not
Narrowly Tailored
Oregon’s recording law has a demonstrable problem
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of nearly all conversations, no matter how public or
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that carries no plausible privacy expectation. As the
Seventh Circuit observed in striking a similar law, Illinois
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Union of Illinois v. Alvarez, 679 F.3d 583, 606 (7th Cir.
2012). Oregon’s ban applies to loud exchanges on a public
sidewalk, to heated arguments at protests, or to a public
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where speakers cannot reasonably claim privacy. By
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genuinely private communications, Oregon has burdened
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The State leans on privacy as a talismanic interest,
yet the law is fatally underinclusive and overinclusive
with respect to any version of that interest. The law
oddly permits unnoticed recording in some of the most
sensitive scenarios (e.g., during life-endangering felonies
or police-citizen encounters), while forbidding it in many
less sensitive ones (e.g., noisy exchanges on a street
or in a park). This patchwork undermines the State’s
argument that its notice rule serves privacy at all. See
also Pet.31-32; contra Opp.24 (claiming the statute’s
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The lack of a reasonable expectation of privacy in many
prohibited situations also shows the law is not narrowly
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tailored because it sweeps in openly audible conversations
and matters of public concern where privacy is minimal
or nonexistent.
Crucially, Oregon has less restrictive means to
protect legitimate privacy interests. Nearly a dozen
states have all-party consent laws for audio recording, but
they typically exempt conversations with no reasonable
expectation of privacy. App.171-76. Oregon chose an
exceptionally broad approach, even though privacy
could be safeguarded by a narrower statute targeting
only truly confidential circumstances. And the law’s
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conversations during some felonies may be recorded,
and police interactions may be recorded without notice,
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Oregon’s claim that the law is appropriately tailored
to privacy. Rather, they suggest the law favors certain
recordings (select crime evidence or police monitoring)
while arbitrarily suppressing others. In short, Oregon’s
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III. The Ninth Circuit’s Ruling on Content Neutrality
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Circuits
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§ 165.540 is Facially Content Based
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Oregon’s blanket notice requirement for recording is a
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Opp.2. By allowing some unannounced recordings, but
not others, based on their content, Oregon’s law regulates
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App.109-115. That triggers strict scrutiny, under which
the law cannot survive. Reed, 576 U.S. 155.
The en banc panel and the State attempt to avoid that
conclusion by contending that the law does not single out
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in privacy. App.27-30; Opp.11-12. But Reed squarely
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of a content-neutral motive can save a law that, on its
face, draws distinctions based on the topic discussed
or the circumstance of the speech. 576 U.S. at 165. In
Oregon, whether a person may record and later publish
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is, its content. Far from being content agnostic, the law’s
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exchange being recorded. Because of this, there is no need
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to determine that strict scrutiny applies. It is curious,
however, that the State does not address what purpose
the law enforcement or felony exceptions could possibly
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serve other than the capture and preservation of certain
content.
B. The Decision Below Deepens a Circuit Split
Arising from Ag-Gag Laws
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map with circuit splits across the Fourth, Seventh,
Eighth, and Tenth Circuits. Opening Br. 16-21; see also
North Carolina Farm Bureau Federation Amici Br. at 7
(discussing a similar circuit split while adding the Fifth
Circuit to its tally).
The Fourth Circuit in People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals v. North Carolina Farm Bureau
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protect the right to gather information and that recordings
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2023). The Fourth Circuit struck down North Carolina’s
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discriminated by speaker identity and viewpoint. That
law only penalized employees who record to harm their
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only negative, disloyal speech. Id. at 823-24. The court did
not search for a benign legislative intent or purpose. The
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the Ninth Circuit’s search for benign legislative intent as
an appropriate step in conducting a facial content-based
analysis. See Cahaly v. Larosa, 796 F.3d 399, 405 (4th
Cir. 2015); 1RUWRQ Y &LW\ RI 6SULQJÀHOG, 806 F.3d 411,
412 (7th Cir. 2015).
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In Animal Legal Defense Fund v. Reynolds, the
Eighth Circuit followed a strict content-based test and
noted that Iowa’s law criminalizing lies to gain access to
agricultural facilities was content based because it turned
on the falsity or truth of speech. 8 F.4th 781, 787 (8th Cir.
2021). And the Tenth Circuit in Animal Legal Defense
Fund v. Kelly similarly held that laws prohibiting collecting
or recording information on public lands were content or
viewpoint discriminatory, because they penalized only
those recordings with an intent to damage operations.
9 F.4th 1219, 1231 (10th Cir. 2021). These rulings mirror
the consensus that recording is protected expressive
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viewpoints must face strict scrutiny. In stark contrast, the
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against certain types of recordings. App.30-35. In fact,
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Third Circuit in Fields v. Philadelphia, 862 F.3d 353 (3d
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of public concern. By upholding Oregon’s law, the Ninth
Circuit parted ways with at least four other circuits over
how the First Amendment applies to audio recordings and
over content-based determinations, underscoring a clear
split ripe for this Court’s resolution.
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CONCLUSION
The petition for a writ of certiorari should be granted.
Respectfully submitted,
BENJAMIN BARR*
Counsel of Record
BARR & KLEIN PLLC
1050 30th Street NW
Washington, DC 20007
(202) 595-4671
ben@barrklein.com
STEPHEN R. KLEIN
BARR & KLEIN PLLC
1629 K Street NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Counsel for Petitioners
* Admitted in Illinois and not a member of the D.C. Bar. Practicing
law in the District of Columbia in federal courts pursuant to D.C.
Court of Appeals Rule 49(c)(3).
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