Petitioners Brief — Michael J. Biestek, Petitioner v. Nancy A. Berryhill, Acting Commissioner of Social Security

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No. 17-1184

IN THE

Supreme Court of the United States

_________

MICHAEL J. BIESTEK,

Petitioner,

v.

COMMISSIONER OF SOCIAL SECURITY,

Respondent.

________

On a Writ of Certiorari

To the United States Court of Appeals

For the Sixth Circuit

________

BRIEF OF PETITIONER

________

FREDERICK J. DALEY, JR.

MEREDITH MARCUS

DALEY DISABILITY LAW, PC

601 W. Randolph Street,

Suite 300

Chicago, IL 60661

(312) 561-3030

ISHAN K. BHABHA

Counsel of Record

NATACHA Y. LAM

LAUREN J. HARTZ

Jenner & Block LLP

1099 New York Ave., NW,

Suite 900

Washington, DC 20001

(202) 637-6327

IBhabha@jenner.com

i

QUESTION PRESENTED

When assessing an applicant’s eligibility for social

security benefits on the basis of a disability, an

administrative law judge (“ALJ”) must determine

whether the applicant “can make an adjustment to other

work.”

20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(v).

This

determination must be supported by substantial

evidence. See 42 U.S.C. § 405(g). In making the

determination, an ALJ is authorized to call a vocational

expert to testify about other work available to an

applicant. See 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1566(e), 416.966(e).

These assessments occur hundreds of thousands of times

annually.

The question presented is:

Whether a vocational expert’s testimony can

constitute substantial evidence of “other work,” 20

C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(v), available to an applicant

for social security benefits on the basis of a disability,

when the expert fails upon the applicant’s request to

provide the underlying data on which that testimony

is premised.

ii

TABLE OF CONTENTS

QUESTION PRESENTED .............................................. i

TABLE OF AUTHORITIES ......................................... vi

OPINIONS BELOW ......................................................... 1

JURISDICTION ................................................................ 1

STATUTES

AND

REGULATIONS

INVOLVED........................................................................ 1

INTRODUCTION ............................................................. 3

STATEMENT OF THE CASE ....................................... 6

I.

II.

Social Security Disability Benefits ...................... 6

A.

Statutory Framework................................ 6

B.

Disability Determinations ......................... 8

C.

Vocational Experts .................................. 10

Factual Background ............................................. 15

SUMMARY OF ARGUMENT ...................................... 18

ARGUMENT .................................................................... 21

I.

A

VOCATIONAL

EXPERT’S

TESTIMONY CANNOT CONSTITUTE

“SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE” OF

“OTHER WORK” UNDER 42 U.S.C.

§ 405(g)

IF

THE

VOCATIONAL

EXPERT REFUSES TO PROVIDE,

UPON

REQUEST,

THE

DATA

UNDERLYING THAT TESTIMONY. ........... 21

iii

A.

B.

Richardson v. Perales Mandates

That Vocational Experts Provide

The Data Underlying Their

Conclusions Upon An Applicant’s

Request ...................................................... 22

1.

Perales identifies various

indicia of reliability that

expert

testimony

must

possess

to

constitute

“substantial evidence” under

§ 405(g) ........................................... 22

2.

Under

Perales,

the

testimony of a vocational

expert cannot constitute

substantial evidence when

an expert withholds the data

upon which the testimony is

based ............................................... 25

3.

Requiring

vocational

experts to provide upon

request the data underlying

their testimony satisfies the

indicia

of

reliability

identified in Perales ..................... 28

This Court’s Rulings In Other

Administrative Contexts Confirm

That

“Substantial

Evidence”

Requires Experts To Provide Upon

Request The Data Underlying

Their Testimony ....................................... 30

iv

II.

FINDING

AN

EXPERT’S

TESTIMONY,

ALONE,

TO

BE

SUBSTANTIAL

EVIDENCE

IGNORES

THE

REQUIREMENT

THAT TESTIMONY BE RELIABLE,

AND

CONFLATES

THE

CREDIBILITY OF AN EXPERT WITH

THE

RELIABILITY

OF

THE

EXPERT’S EVIDENCE ................................... 35

A.

Requiring vocational experts to

provide upon request the data

underlying their conclusions does

not import the Federal Rules of

Evidence into social security

hearings...................................................... 37

B.

Expert testimony in administrative

proceedings must be reliable, and

this Court has recognized that

reliability is best assured through

cross-examination of the data and

methodology resulting in the

expert’s conclusions. ................................ 41

C.

A vocational expert’s experience

and credibility do not assure

reliable conclusions................................... 49

v

III.

REQUIRING

VOCATIONAL

EXPERTS

TO

PROVIDE

ON

REQUEST THE DATA UNDERLYING

THEIR TESTIMONY IS CONSISTENT

WITH

THE

AGENCY’S

OWN

POLICIES AND WITH COMMON

SENSE................................................................... 52

CONCLUSION ................................................................ 56

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TABLE OF AUTHORITIES

CASES

Adkins v. Astrue, 226 F. App’x 600 (7th Cir.

2007) .......................................................................... 39

Alaura v. Colvin, 797 F.3d 503 (7th Cir. 2015) ......... 11

Andreu ex rel. Andreu v. Secretary of

Department of Health & Human Services,

569 F.3d 1367 (Fed. Cir. 2009) .............................. 51

Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Co. v. Aberdeen &

Rockfish Railroad Co., 393 U.S. 87 (1968) .... 31, 32

Barnhart v. Thomas, 540 U.S. 20 (2003) ..................... 3

Barrett v. Barnhart, 355 F.3d 1065 (7th Cir.

2004) .................................................................... 26, 29

Binion ex rel. Binion v. Chater, 108 F.3d 780

(7th Cir. 1997) .......................................................... 39

Bowen v. Yuckert, 482 U.S. 137 (1987)....................... 41

Brault v. Social Security Administration, 683

F.3d 443 (2d Cir. 2012) ............................... 13, 35, 37

Britton v. Astrue, 521 F.3d 799 (7th Cir. 2008) .. 40, 43

Browning v. Colvin, 766 F.3d 702 (7th Cir.

2014) .......................................................................... 50

Califano v. Goldfarb, 430 U.S. 199 (1977) ................... 6

Chavez v. Berryhill, 895 F.3d 962 (7th Cir.

2018) .................................................................... 26, 50

Consolidated Edison Co. of New York v.

NLRB, 305 U.S. 197 (1938) .................................... 26

vii

Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals,

Inc., 509 U.S. 579 (1993) ............................. 38, 44, 45

Dickinson v. Zurko, 527 U.S. 150 (1999) ................... 32

Donahue v. Barnhart, 279 F.3d 441 (7th Cir.

2002) .............................................................. 28, 29, 39

Elm Grove Coal Co. v. Director, Office of

Workers’ Compensation Programs, 480

F.3d 279 (4th Cir. 2007) .......................................... 46

Federal Power Commission v. Florida Power

& Light Co., 404 U.S. 453 (1972) ..................... 33, 34

General Electric, Co. v. Joiner, 522 U.S. 136

(1997) ........................................................................ 55

Gisbrecht v. Barnhart, 535 U.S. 789 (2002) ............... 21

Heckler v. Campbell, 461 U.S. 458 (1983) ........... 55, 56

Heckler v. Day, 467 U.S. 104 (1984) ............................. 6

Hendrix ex rel. G.P. v. Evenflo Co., 609 F.3d

1183 (11th Cir. 2010) ............................................... 51

Holtz v. Astrue, No. 07-C-314-C, 2007 WL

5323758 (W.D. Wis. Nov. 8, 2007) ......................... 51

Khuzaie v. Commissioner of Social Security,

No. 1:14-CV-00199-SLC, 2016 WL 1253537

(N.D. Ind. Mar. 30, 2016) ....................................... 41

Kumho Tire Co., Ltd. v. Carmichael, 526 U.S.

137 (1999) ................................................................. 38

Marsh v. Oregon Natural Resources Council,

490 U.S. 360 (1989) ............................................ 42, 43

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Maslenjak v. United States, 137 S. Ct. 1918

(2017) ........................................................................ 21

McKinnie v. Barnhart, 368 F.3d 907 (7th Cir.

2004) .................................................................... 28, 29

Melendez-Diaz v. Massachusetts, 557 U.S. 305

(2009) ........................................................................ 45

NLRB v. Columbian Enameling & Stamping

Co., 306 U.S. 292 (1939) .............................. 27, 32, 33

Perry v. Leeke, 488 U.S. 272 (1989) ............................ 45

Powell v. Colvin, No. 1:13-CV-51, 2014 WL

1643313 (N.D. Ind. Apr. 22, 2014) ......................... 40

Purdy v. Berryhill, 887 F.3d 7 (1st Cir. 2018) .......... 35

Ramzan v. Colvin, No. 12 C 7362, 2015 WL

5921811 (N.D. Ill. Oct. 9, 2015) .............................. 53

Reynolds v. Astrue, No. 09-C-0537, 2010 WL

2900356 (E.D. Wis. July 21, 2010) ......................... 40

Richardson v. Perales, 402 U.S. 389 (1971) ..... passim

Ronning v. Colvin, No. 13 CV 8194, 2015 WL

1912157 (N.D. Ill. Apr. 27, 2015) ........................... 41

Shaibi v. Berryhill, 883 F.3d 1102 (9th Cir.

2017) .......................................................................... 29

Sims v. Apfel, 530 U.S. 103 (2000) .............................. 48

Sullivan v. Zebley, 493 U.S. 521 (1990) ....................... 7

T-Mobile South, L.L.C. v. City of Roswell, 135

S. Ct. 808 (2015)....................................................... 30

ix

United States Steel Mining Co. v. Director,

Office

of

Workers’

Compensation

Programs, 187 F.3d 384 (4th Cir. 1999) ............... 43

United States v. Downing, 753 F.2d 1224 (3d

Cir. 1985) .................................................................. 47

United States v. Fosher, 590 F.2d 381 (1st Cir.

1979) .......................................................................... 47

Welsh v. Commissioner of Social Security, 662

F. App’x 105 (3d Cir. 2016) .................................... 35

In

re Zoloft (Sertraline Hydrochloride)

Products Liability Litigation, 858 F.3d 787

(3d Cir. 2017) ........................................................... 38

STATUTES

28 U.S.C. § 1254(1) .......................................................... 1

42 U.S.C. § 405(b)............................................................ 7

42 U.S.C. § 405(b)(1) ....................................... 1, 8, 35, 37

42 U.S.C. § 405(g).................................... 1, 3, 7, 9, 18, 21

42 U.S.C. § 414 ................................................................ 6

42 U.S.C. § 423 ................................................................ 6

42 U.S.C. § 423(d)(2)(A) ........................................... 1, 10

42 U.S.C. § 1381 .............................................................. 7

42 U.S.C. § 1382c(a)(3)(B) ........................................ 2, 10

Telecommunications Act of 1996, Pub. L. No.

104-104, 110 Stat. 56 ............................................... 30

LEGISLATIVE MATERIALS

H.R. Rep. No. 76-728 (1939) .................................... 7, 31

x

H.R. Rep. No. 94-679 (1975) .................................... 7, 31

S. Rep. No. 76-734 (1939) ......................................... 7, 31

Delays in Social Security Appeals: Hearings

Before the Subcomm. on Social Security of

the H. Comm. on Ways and Means, 94th

Cong. (1975) ............................................................... 8

Hearings Relative to the Social Security Act

Amendments of 1939 Before the H. Comm.

on Ways and Means, 76th Cong. (1939)

(proposed changes to the Social Security

Act attached to letter of Dr. Arthur J.

Altmeyer, Chairman, Social Security

Board (Dec. 30, 1938)) .............................................. 8

OTHER AUTHORITIES

20 C.F.R. § 404.902 ......................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.907 ......................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.914 ......................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.920 ......................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.950(d) .................................................. 24

20 C.F.R. § 404.967 ......................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.981 ......................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.1503 ....................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.1505 et seq............................................. 7

20 C.F.R. § 404.1512(b)(3) ............................................ 10

20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(i) .......................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(ii) ......................................... 9

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20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(iii) ........................................ 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(iv) ....................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(v) ............................... 2, 3, 10

20 C.F.R. § 404.1563(d) ................................................ 17

20 C.F.R. § 404.1566(d) ................................................ 12

20 C.F.R. § 404.1566(e)................................................. 10

20 C.F.R. § 404.1567(a)................................................. 50

20 C.F.R. § 404.1567(b) ................................................ 50

20 C.F.R. § 416.903 ......................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.905 et seq............................................... 7

20 C.F.R. § 416.912(b)(3) .............................................. 10

20 C.F.R. § 416.920(a)(4)(i) ............................................ 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.920(a)(4)(ii) ........................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.920(a)(4)(iii) .......................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.920(a)(4)(iv) ......................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.920(a)(4)(v) .................................... 3, 10

20 C.F.R. § 416.963(d) .................................................. 17

20 C.F.R. § 416.966(d) .................................................. 12

20 C.F.R. § 416.966(e)................................................... 10

20 C.F.R. § 416.1402 ....................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.1407 ....................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.1414 ....................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.1429 ....................................................... 9

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20 C.F.R. § 416.1467 ....................................................... 9

20 C.F.R. § 416.1481 ....................................................... 9

Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Dep’t of

Labor,

Occupational

Employment

Statistics: Occupational Employment and

Wages, May 2017: 35-3031 Waiters and

Waitresses (Mar. 30, 2018), https://www.

bls.gov/oes/current/oes353031.htm ...................... 13

2 Thomas E. Bush, Social Security Disability

Practice (2d ed. 2017) ....................................... 10, 14

DOT 311 Waiters/Waitresses, and Related

Food Service Occupations ..................................... 12

Jon C. Dubin, Overcoming Gridlock: Campbell

After

a

Quarter-Century

and

Bureaucratically Rational Gap-Filling in

Mass Justice Adjudication in the Social

Security

Administration’s

Disability

Programs, 62 Admin. L. Rev. 937 (2010) ...... 11, 48

Geoffrey Gilbert, The Law of Evidence (4th ed.

1777) .......................................................................... 44

Nathaniel O. Hubley, The Untouchables: Why

a Vocational Expert’s Testimony in Social

Security Disability Hearings Cannot Be

Touched, 43 Val. U. L. Rev. 353 (2008)................ 11

Carolyn A. Kubitschek & Jon C. Dubin, Social

Security Disability: Law & Procedure in

Federal Court, Westlaw (Apr. 2018

Update) .................................................................... 26

xiii

Stephan Landsman, Of Witches, Madmen, and

Products Liability: An Historical Survey

of the Use of Expert Testimony, 13 Behav.

Sci. & L. 131 (1995) ................................................. 45

1 McCormick On Evidence (Kenneth S. Broun

ed., 7th ed. 2013)...................................................... 44

Albert S. Osborn, Reasons and Reasoning in

Expert Testimony, 2 Law & Contemp.

Probs. 488 (1935) ..................................................... 44

Social Security Advisory Board, Filing for

Social Security Benefits: What Impact

Does Professional Representation Have on

the Process at the Initial Application

Level? (Sept. 2012), https://legalaid

research.org/wp-content/uploads/ssabsocial-security-disability-representation2012.pdf .................................................................... 48

SSA, Vocational Expert Handbook (Aug.

2017), https://www.ssa.gov/appeals/public_

experts/Vocational_Experts_(VE)_Hand

book-508.pdf................................. 4, 10, 11, 12, 14, 53

SSR 00-4P, 2000 WL 1898704 (Dec. 4, 2000) ............. 54

SSR 96-9P, 1996 WL 374185 (July 2, 1996) ............... 16

OPINIONS BELOW

The decision of the Sixth Circuit (Pet. App. 1a) is

reported at 880 F.3d 778 (6th Cir. 2017). The decision of

the district court (Pet. App. 25a) is unreported.

JURISDICTION

The judgment of the Sixth Circuit was entered on

December 27, 2017.1 This Court has jurisdiction

pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1254(1).

STATUTES AND REGULATIONS INVOLVED

42 U.S.C. § 405(b)(1) provides:

Evidence may be received at any hearing before

the Commissioner of Social Security even though

inadmissible under rules of evidence applicable to

court procedure.

42 U.S.C. § 405(g) provides:

The findings of the Commissioner of Social

Security as to any fact, if supported by

substantial evidence, shall be conclusive.

42 U.S.C. § 423(d)(2)(A) provides:

An individual shall be determined to be under a

disability only if his physical or mental

impairment or impairments are of such severity

that he is not only unable to do his previous work

but cannot, considering his age, education, and

work experience, engage in any other kind of

substantial gainful work which exists in the

1

The district court had jurisdiction over this case pursuant to 42

U.S.C. § 405(g).

2

national economy, regardless of whether such

work exists in the immediate area in which he

lives, or whether a specific job vacancy exists for

him, or whether he would be hired if he applied

for work. For purposes of the preceding sentence

(with respect to any individual), “work which

exists in the national economy” means work

which exists in significant numbers either in the

region where such individual lives or in several

regions of the country.

42 U.S.C. § 1382c(a)(3)(B) provides:

[A]n individual shall be determined to be under a

disability only if his physical or mental

impairment or impairments are of such severity

that he is not only unable to do his previous work

but cannot, considering his age, education, and

work experience, engage in any other kind of

substantial gainful work which exists in the

national economy, regardless of whether such

work exists in the immediate area in which he

lives, or whether a specific job vacancy exists for

him, or whether he would be hired if he applied

for work. For purposes of the preceding sentence

(with respect to any individual), “work which

exists in the national economy” means work

which exists in significant numbers either in the

region where such individual lives or in several

regions of the country

20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4)(v) provides:

At the fifth and last step, we consider our

assessment of your residual functional capacity

and your age, education, and work experience to

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see if you can make an adjustment to other work.

If you can make an adjustment to other work, we

will find that you are not disabled. If you cannot

make an adjustment to other work, we will find

that you are disabled.

INTRODUCTION

Under 20 C.F.R. § 404.1520(a)(4) and 20 C.F.R.

§ 416.920(a)(4), an applicant must satisfy a “five-step

sequential evaluation process” in order to demonstrate

eligibility for social security benefits in light of a

disability. Barnhart v. Thomas, 540 U.S. 20, 24 (2003).

For the first four steps—through which an applicant

must demonstrate the existence of a severe, medically

determinable impairment that renders the applicant

unable to perform his or her prior work—the applicant

bears the burden of proof. If the applicant fails to meet

this burden, he or she is deemed not disabled, and social

security benefits are denied. If the applicant satisfies

the first four steps, however, the burden shifts at the

fifth step to the Social Security Administration

(“agency”), which must demonstrate that the applicant

can “make an adjustment to other work” and thus does

not qualify for benefits. 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1520(a)(4)(v),

416.920(a)(4)(v). Upon judicial review, every factual

finding made by the Administrative Law Judge

(“ALJ”)—including the ALJ’s findings on each of the

five steps—must be supported by substantial evidence

to be deemed conclusive. See 42 U.S.C. § 405(g).

To satisfy its burden of proof in demonstrating the

existence of “other work” available to applicants, the

agency invariably relies upon the testimony of

“vocational experts”—hired witnesses who are meant to

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“provid[e] impartial expert opinion evidence about an

applicant’s vocational abilities.”

SSA, Vocational

Expert Handbook at 7 (Aug. 2017), https://www.ssa.gov/

appeals/public_experts/Vocational_Experts_(VE)_Han

dbook-508.pdf (Vocational Expert Handbook). These

experts testify on two key points: the type of jobs

available to an applicant and the number of such jobs

that exist in the national economy.

At Petitioner Michael Biestek’s disability benefits

hearing, a vocational expert opined that Petitioner could

have performed certain “sedentary unskilled

occupations,” specifically “bench assembler” and

“sorter.” Pet. App. 117a. Next, the expert opined that

between 1000 and 8000 such jobs existed in Southeast

Michigan within the relevant timeframe. The expert

further testified that even an applicant with additional

physical limitations would be able to perform the

identified jobs, although the number of bench assembler

and sorter jobs would drop by “about 20 to 30 percent.”

Pet. App. 117a.

Petitioner’s lawyer questioned the accuracy of these

figures and asked the expert for her data sources. In

response, the expert referenced the Bureau of Labor

Statistics “as well as [her] own individual labor market

surveys.” Pet. App. 119a. When Petitioner’s lawyer

asked for those surveys the expert refused to provide

them in any form out of a concern for the “confidentiality

of her files.” Petitioner’s lawyer pressed the issue and

proposed a solution to ameliorate the “confidentiality”

concern, but the ALJ cut off this line of inquiry. As a

result, the expert’s conclusion regarding the “other

work” available to Petitioner—the sole basis for the

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agency’s denial of benefits for the designated period—

was insulated from any meaningful scrutiny or

evaluation.

In affirming the ALJ’s ruling, the Sixth Circuit held

that the testimony of a vocational expert, by itself, could

constitute substantial evidence of the “other work”

available to an applicant, even when the expert’s

testimony was based on data the expert withheld on

cross-examination.

That decision is wrong.

It fails to require

“substantial evidence” supporting the ALJ’s findings to

sustain those findings on judicial review. It forecloses

any meaningful assessment of the reliability of the

expert’s sources and the logic of the expert’s

methodology. It violates this Court’s direction that the

process for determining eligibility for Social Security

disability benefits be fair and efficient. And it defies

common sense. If the expert’s opinion has a basis in real

and reliable sources, there is no reason in law or logic

why the expert should withhold those sources upon the

applicant’s express request. If, by contrast, the expert

has no source for conclusions about the number of jobs

available to an applicant, the expert’s testimony

standing alone cannot constitute substantial evidence of

the other work available to an applicant.

Since 2002, the Seventh Circuit has required

vocational experts to provide upon request the data

upon which their testimony is based in order for the

expert’s testimony to constitute substantial evidence.

That rule complies with Congress’s mandate that the

agency’s factual findings be supported by substantial

evidence in order to be conclusive upon judicial review.

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And the rule works. Over the last sixteen years, the

Seventh Circuit has enforced this rule without

compromising the efficiency, finality, or fairness of social

security hearings. This rule is also consistent with the

agency’s policies requiring vocational experts to testify

consistent with the data sources upon which they rely.

The decision of the Sixth Circuit should be reversed.

STATEMENT OF THE CASE

I. Social Security Disability Benefits

“From its inception, the social security system has

been a program of social insurance” that provides

“protection against the economic consequences of old

age, disability, and death.” Califano v. Goldfarb, 430

U.S. 199, 208 (1977). Undoubtedly, the “size and extent”

of the program is “difficult to comprehend.” Richardson

v. Perales, 402 U.S. 389, 399 (1971). Yet, as this Court

has instructed, the social security system “must be

fair—and it must work.” Id. (quoting Gov’t’s Br.).

A. Statutory Framework

The Social Security Act, passed in 1935, provides

monetary benefits to individuals “whose disability

prevents them from pursuing gainful employment.”

Heckler v. Day, 467 U.S. 104, 106 (1984). Under Title II

of the Act, individuals may receive social security

disability insurance (SSDI) benefits if they have a

qualifying disability and are fully insured under the

program. 42 U.S.C. § 423; see id. § 414 (defining “fully

insured”). Under Title XVI of the Act, individuals may

receive supplemental security income (SSI) benefits if

they have a qualifying disability and meet a low-income

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requirement. 42 U.S.C. § 1381. Both programs define

qualifying disabilities in the same way. See Sullivan v.

Zebley, 493 U.S. 521, 525 (1990) (“[The] statutory

definition of disability [for SSI benefits] was taken from

Title II of the Social Security Act.”); compare 20 C.F.R.

§ 404.1505 et seq. (disability determinations for SSI

benefits), with id. § 416.905 et seq. (disability

determinations for SSDI benefits).

In 1939, Congress added a judicial review provision

to the Act. The provision states, “[t]he findings of the

Commissioner of Social Security as to any fact, if

supported by substantial evidence, shall be conclusive.”

42 U.S.C. § 405(g). In adding this provision, Congress

envisioned a judicial review process “similar to those

made for the review of decisions of many administrative

bodies.” H.R. Rep. No. 76-728, at 43 (1939); S. Rep.

No. 76-734, at 52 (1939) (same). Congress has since

confirmed that it intended “common procedural

safeguards provided under the Social Security Act and

the Administrative Procedure Act,” including “the same

rights to hearing and administrative and judicial

review.” H.R. Rep. No. 94-679, at 2-3 (1975).

At the same time that it provided for judicial review

of social security determinations, Congress also clarified

the procedures applicable in social security hearings:

“Evidence may be received at any hearing before the

Commissioner of Social Security even though

inadmissible under rules of evidence applicable to court

procedure.” 42 U.S.C. § 405(b). Through this language,

Congress “widen[ed] the scope and . . . improve[d] the

adequacy and the administration of these programs.”

H.R. Rep. No. 76-728, at 5. Consideration of evidence

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beyond that normally permitted under formal rules of

evidence “improv[ed]” benefits determinations by

allowing consideration of all relevant information. See

Hearings Relative to the Social Security Act

Amendments of 1939 Before the H. Comm. on Ways and

Means, 76th Cong. 3 (1939) (quoting proposed changes

to the Social Security Act attached to letter of Dr.

Arthur J. Altmeyer, Chairman, Social Security Board

(Dec. 30, 1938)). Likewise, when Congress revisited this

language in 1975, it explained that Title II of the Social

Security Act is governed by the Administrative

Procedure Act, which in turn “permits consideration of

hearsay evidence while preserving the right of crossexamination.” Delays in Social Security Appeals:

Hearings Before the Subcomm. on Social Security of the

H. Comm. on Ways and Means, 94th Cong. 9 (1975)

(quoting Am. Bar Ass’n Brief Amicus Curiae at 12,

Richardson v. Perales, 402 U.S. 389 (1971), 1970 WL

136652). Congress harmonized Title XVI with Title II

and the Administrative Procedure Act, such that

disability hearings are not governed by formal rules of

evidence but nonetheless guarantee “adequate notice,

access to evidence, [and the] right to cross examination.”

Id. at 10.

B. Disability Determinations

The Commissioner of Social Security is authorized to

make factual findings and decisions “as to the rights of

any individual applying for” social security disability

benefits. 42 U.S.C. § 405(b)(1). Those findings and

decisions take place in a tiered review process. To begin,

an applicant submits a written application that results in

an initial disability determination. Depending on the

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applicant’s state of residence, either the federal agency

or a state counterpart makes that determination. 20

C.F.R. §§ 404.1503, 416.903. An applicant dissatisfied

with the initial determination may seek reconsideration,

or request a hearing before a disability hearing officer,

or both. 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.902, 404.907; id. §§ 416.1402,

416.1407; id. §§ 404.914, 416.1414. If that hearing does

not yield a satisfactory result, an applicant may seek a

new hearing before an ALJ. 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.920,

416.1429. The applicant may appeal the ALJ’s decision

to the Appeals Council. 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.967, 416.1467.

Applicants who exhaust these procedures may finally

seek judicial review. 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.981, 416.1481; see

also 42 U.S.C. § 405(g).

To qualify for either SSI or SSDI benefits on the

basis of disability, an applicant must satisfy a five-step

test. First, the applicant must not be engaged in any

substantial

gainful

activity.

20

C.F.R.

§§ 404.1520(a)(4)(i), 416.920(a)(4)(i).

Second, the

applicant must have a severe medically determinable

physical or mental impairment.

20 C.F.R.

§§ 404.1520(a)(4)(ii), 416.920(a)(4)(ii).

Third, if the

applicant’s impairment meets or equals an impairment

listed in Appendix 1 of the Commission’s regulations, the

applicant is disabled and therefore eligible for benefits.

20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1520(a)(4)(iii), 416.920(a)(4)(iii).

If the applicant’s impairment does not satisfy the

third step, two steps remain. Thus, fourth, the applicant

must be unable to perform his or her prior work. 20

C.F.R. §§ 404.1520(a)(4)(iv), 416.920(a)(4)(iv). And, fifth,

the applicant must be unable, based on impairment, age,

education, and work experience, to adjust to other work

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available in the national economy—defined as “work

which exists in significant numbers either in the region

where such individual lives or in several regions in the

country.” 42 U.S.C. §§ 423(d)(2)(A), 1382c(a)(3)(B); see

also 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1520(a)(4)(v), 416.920(a)(4)(v).

Failure on any step, except for step three, renders the

applicant ineligible for social security benefits.

The applicant bears the burden of proof for the first

four steps. At the fifth step, however, the burden shifts

to the agency to “provide evidence about the existence

of work in the national economy that [the applicant] can

do,” taking into account the applicant’s “residual

functional capacity . . . , age, education, and work

experience.” 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1512(b)(3), 416.912(b)(3)

(internal citations omitted).

C. Vocational Experts

To meet its burden at step five, the agency “may use

the services of a vocational expert or other specialist.”

20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1566(e), 416.966(e). Vocational experts

are hired by the agency to “provid[e] impartial expert

opinion evidence . . . that an ALJ considers when making

a decision about disability.”

Vocational Expert

Handbook at 3.

“Indeed, from an institutional

perspective, the primary purpose of vocational expert

testimony is to meet [the agency’s] burden of proof in

denying benefits to a disability claimant.” 2 Thomas E.

Bush, Social Security Disability Practice § 340 (2d ed.

2017). A vocational expert should have “[u]p-to-date

knowledge of, and experience with, industrial and

occupational trends and local labor market conditions,”

“[i]nvolvement in or knowledge of vocational

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counseling” and the job placement of adults with

disabilities, and experience using certain vocational

resources published by the government. Vocational

Expert Handbook at 8. But those qualifications are not

mandatory. Indeed, “there are no readily available

published standards for [vocational expert] certification,

selection, or training.” Jon C. Dubin, Overcoming

Gridlock: Campbell After a Quarter-Century and

Bureaucratically Rational Gap-Filling in Mass Justice

Adjudication in the Social Security Administration’s

Disability Programs, 62 Admin. L. Rev. 937, 968 (2010).

As a result, “the experience, knowledge, ability,

understanding of the [vocational expert] role, and the

prejudices of individual [vocational experts] vary much

more widely than do the comparable skills and

experience of medical experts.” Nathaniel O. Hubley,

The Untouchables: Why a Vocational Expert’s

Testimony in Social Security Disability Hearings

Cannot Be Touched, 43 Val. U. L. Rev. 353, 368 n.56

(2008) (quoting Thomas E. Bush, Social Security

Disability Practice § 340 (2006)). Vocational experts

“often rely on assertions of personal knowledge,

experience, or unspecified industrial surveys to justify

job incidence conclusions.” Overcoming Gridlock, 62

Admin. L. Rev. at 966. Courts and commentators have

“expressed concern with the source and validity of the

statistics that vocational experts trot out in social

security disability hearings.” Alaura v. Colvin, 797 F.3d

503, 507 (7th Cir. 2015) (internal citations omitted). In

some instances, the conclusions offered by vocational

experts seem “likely . . . to be a fabrication.” Id. at 508.

As noted above, the ALJ must determine at step five

whether there is other work available to the applicant.

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Frequently, ALJs make this determination by asking

vocational experts hypothetical questions regarding

other available work. As the agency recognizes, the ALJ

uses hypothetical questions because, “in many cases, the

ALJ will not have determined what the claimant’s

[residual functional capacity] is when he or she asks [the

vocational expert] for opinions about work.” Vocational

Expert Handbook at 35-36. Thus, for example, at

Petitioner’s hearing, the ALJ asked the vocational

expert about the availability of unskilled light work,

unskilled sedentary work, and unskilled work under the

sedentary level. Pet. App. 116a-117a.

The ALJ will also take administrative notice of

“reliable job information available from various

governmental and other publications,” including the

Dictionary of Occupational Titles (DOT), the Bureau of

the Census’ County Business Patterns and Census

Reports, the SSA’s Occupational Analyses, and the

Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (“BLS”) Occupational

Outlook Handbook. 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1566(d), 416.966(d).

Vocational experts typically rely, at least in part, on

those types of publications. But each publication has

limitations. The DOT, for example, lists the job

requirements for highly specific positions. See, e.g., DOT

311 Waiters/Waitresses, and Related Food Service

Occupations (listing, under separate job codes, “banquet,

head,” “captain,” “head,” “bar,” “dining car (r.r.

transp.),” “formal,” “informal,” “room service,” “take

out,” and “buffet”). The ALJ and vocational expert,

therefore, can pinpoint which waiter/waitress jobs an

unskilled individual can perform (such as a take-out

waiter/waitress) and which they cannot (such as head

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waiter/waitress for a banquet). But “[t]he DOT . . . just

defines jobs. It does not report how many such jobs are

available in the economy.” Brault v. Soc. Sec. Admin.,

683 F.3d 443, 446 (2d Cir. 2012) (emphasis in original).

Census data from the BLS contain information

regarding the number of jobs available at metropolitan,

state, and national levels. But the BLS aggregates jobs

numbers for categories broader than those in the DOT.

Thus, for example, BLS data will show the number of

“waiter/waitress” jobs available nationally and by state

but will not show which of these waiter/waitress jobs

require unskilled or skilled labor, or which require

heavy, medium, light, or sedentary exertion. See, e.g.,

Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Dep’t of Labor,

Occupational Employment Statistics: Occupational

Employment and Wages, May 2017: 35-3031 Waiters

and Waitresses (Mar. 30, 2018), https://www.bls.gov/oes/

current/oes353031.htm. The Occupational Employment

Quarterly, a private publication, provides jobs numbers

at a greater level of specificity than the BLS. But it uses

data categorized under the Bureau’s Standard

Occupational Classification System (SOC), a more recent

categorization system than the DOT. Thus, taking the

categories of jobs from the DOT and matching them with

the numbers of jobs in the Occupational Employment

Quarterly requires analysis and judgment calls. “[A]

VE must use some method for associating SOC-based

employment numbers to DOT-based job types. The

problem, however, is that DOT codes are much more

granular than SOC codes,” with thousands more job

titles in the DOT than in the SOC. Brault, 683 F.3d at

446.

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Vocational experts often resort to other sources of

data for their testimony as well. Especially for the

availability of sedentary unskilled jobs, vocational

experts “tend to testify about numbers of jobs based on

faulty assumptions with little or no support for their

conclusions other than their own ‘personal experience.’”

2 Social Security Disability Practice § 348.8 (2d ed.

2017). By way of illustration, a vocational expert might

be asked to further refine job numbers to estimate, for

example, the number of “bench sorter” jobs that permit

individualized accommodations like unscheduled breaks

for sitting. Cf. id. § 340 (“[W]hile vocational experts do

have some expertise in assessing vocational

opportunities, they have virtually no expertise in

assessing how many jobs exist for a particular [residual

functional capacity].”). None of the publicly available

data sources evaluate the availability of work with these

types of limitations.

Thus in testifying on such

questions, vocational experts rely upon privately

sourced data.

Whatever the vocational expert relies upon, the

expert should “be prepared to cite, explain, and furnish

any sources [for his or her] testimony.” Vocational

Expert Handbook at 3, 19, 20, 28, 31. According to the

agency’s guidance, “[t]he ALJ will not rely on [the

vocational expert’s] testimony alone to make his or her

ultimate decision about disability or any of the

vocational findings that go into the decision.” Id. at 9.

But these guidelines are not binding on vocational

experts or the ALJs. Thus, if a vocational expert refuses

to provide his or her sources, the applicant has no means

of examining whether the expert’s conclusions are the

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result of a reliable methodology applied to reliable data.

Unless, that is, the hearing takes place within the

Seventh Circuit.

II. Factual Background

Petitioner Michael Biestek worked for most of his

career building scaffolding on construction sites. Pet.

App. 3a, 109a. He became unemployed in June 2005 and

has remained unemployed since due to depression,

Hepatitis C, and lower back pain caused by a

degenerative disc disease. Pet. App. 3a. Petitioner

applied for social security disability benefits in March

2010, identifying the onset date for his qualifying

disabilities as October 28, 2009. Pet. App. 3a.

After protracted proceedings, an ALJ denied

Petitioner’s application for benefits from October 28,

2009, his alleged onset date, to May 2013. The ALJ found

Petitioner was not engaged in any substantial activity,

had a severe medically determinable physical or mental

impairment, and could not perform his prior work. Pet.

App. 82a-83a, 108a. But the ALJ found Petitioner could

perform other work that was readily available. Pet.

App. 89a-90a, 109a-110a. In making this finding, the

ALJ relied solely on the testimony of a vocational

expert, who opined that Petitioner could perform the

sedentary, unskilled job of a “bench assembler,” with

240,000 jobs nationally and 6,000 jobs in Southeast

Michigan, and a “sorter,” with 120,000 jobs nationally

and 1,500 jobs in Southeast Michigan. Pet. App. 111a,

116a. The vocational expert also opined that the number

of bench assembler and sorter jobs would erode by 20 to

30 percent if the jobs were limited to only those that

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could be performed under a sedentary exertion level.2

Pet. App. 116a-117a.

At the hearing, Petitioner’s counsel attempted to

cross-examine the vocational expert about the

foundation for her conclusions. The vocational expert

testified that she relied on her “professional

experience,” “job analysis,” and “individual labor market

surveys” in estimating the number of jobs available to

Petitioner, taking into account his individualized

limitations. Pet. App. 117a-119a. But when asked to

provide the “job analysis” and “individual labor market

surveys,” she refused. The expert testified that the

information supporting her conclusions was “part of

people’s private confidential files” or “part of client

files.” Pet App. 118a-119a. When Petitioner’s counsel

suggested the expert redact any confidential

information from her sources, the ALJ interjected, “I’m

not requiring that.” Pet. App. 118a; see also id. 119a.

Petitioner’s counsel was therefore unable to probe

whether the sources that the vocational expert

identified actually supported her testimony on the

number of jobs available to Petitioner. The vocational

expert’s testimony, alone, resulted in the ALJ

determining that Petitioner was not eligible for

disability benefits.3 See Pet. App. 109a-112a.

2

The agency recognizes that some individuals have a residual

functional capacity “for less than a full range of sedentary work.”

SSR 96-9p, 1996 WL 374185, at *1 (July 2, 1996).

3

The ALJ found Petitioner eligible for disability benefits beginning

in May 2013, because his advanced age at that time seriously

impacted his ability to adjust to other work. Pet. App. 112a; see 20

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On review, the district court upheld the ALJ’s ruling,

concluding substantial evidence supported the finding

that other work was available to Petitioner. The district

court ruled that the vocational expert’s testimony on

this point was sufficient even though the expert refused

to provide any of the data underlying her testimony. See

Pet. App. 28a-30a.

The Sixth Circuit affirmed.

It rejected any

“oblig[ation for] vocational experts to provide the data

and reasoning used in support of their conclusions upon

request.” Pet. App. 21a. The court recognized a circuit

split “between the Seventh Circuit and several other

circuits” on the key issue: whether a vocational expert’s

testimony constitutes substantial evidence of other

work when the expert withholds sources that allegedly

support his or her bottom-line conclusions. Pet. App.

20a. The court reasoned that requiring a vocational

expert to supply the foundation for his or her opinion

would “effectively import a key provision of the Federal

Rules of Evidence into Social Security proceedings.”

Pet. App. 21a. The requirement, the court believed,

would conflict with Congress’s intent to “specifically

exempt[] Social Security disability proceedings from the

strictures of the Federal Rules of Evidence, [and] allow[]

ALJs to consider a broader range of potentially relevant

information than would be admissible in an ordinary

court of law.” Pet. App. 21a.

C.F.R. §§ 404.1563(d), 416.963(d). That determination is not at issue

here.

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SUMMARY OF ARGUMENT

A vocational expert’s testimony cannot constitute

“substantial evidence” of “other work,” 42 U.S.C.

§ 405(g), if the vocational expert refuses upon request to

provide the data underlying that testimony.

I.A. As this Court held in Richardson v. Perales, 402

U.S. 389 (1971), in a social security hearing, an expert’s

conclusions must have evidentiary support and be

subject to meaningful cross-examination to constitute

“substantial evidence.” Perales also recognized that

when applicants fail to avail themselves of available

processes for probing expert conclusions, they

effectively acquiesce to the substantiality of the

evidence. Perales thus bars an ALJ from refusing an

applicant’s request for data underlying the vocational

expert’s conclusions. Without the underlying data, there

is no way to assess the vocational expert’s evidentiary

support or subject the vocational expert’s conclusions to

even a modicum of meaningful testing through crossexamination. Requiring production only upon request

achieves both of these objectives while preserving

expediency and efficiency in social security proceedings,

as Perales commands.

I.B. The statutory requirement that an agency’s

factual findings be supported by substantial evidence

applies in various other regulatory contexts. This

Court’s decisions in those contexts confirm that

conclusions by agency experts that lack an identifiable

foundation in facts cannot constitute substantial

evidence. Indeed, many cases require the production of

an expert’s underlying data and confirm that an agency

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decision-maker must be able to test an expert’s

conclusion by reference to the data. Even in the rare

case where this Court has accepted an expert’s

testimony without the provision of first-hand evidence,

the Court’s reasoning underscores this general

requirement.

II.A. Requiring vocational experts to provide upon

request the data underlying their conclusions does not

import the Federal Rules of Evidence or the

requirements of Daubert into social security

proceedings. As exhibited over the past sixteen years in

the Seventh Circuit, this rule is limited in scope and

measured in its impact on the length of hearings and the

burden on both ALJs and vocational experts.

II.B. Although the Federal Rules of Evidence do not

apply in social security hearings, in passing the Social

Security Act, Congress did not eliminate the

fundamental common-law requirement that expert

testimony be reliable before a decision-maker can

rationally rely upon it. The most critical means of

assessing the reliability of an expert’s testimony is

through meaningful cross-examination that tests the

rigor of an expert’s methodology and the legitimacy of

the expert’s data. If the vocational expert withholds the

data upon request, the applicant and the agency lack the

tools necessary to conduct this critical assessment of

reliability.

II.C. A vocational expert’s experience and credibility

do not assure reliable conclusions. Credibility asks

whether an expert is truthful; and, indeed, where

testimony does not rely upon actual data, professional

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experience may constitute a sufficient basis for an

expert’s conclusions. But reliability asks whether

factual evidence actually supports an expert’s

conclusion. Credibility and experience cannot identify

how many jobs of a particular sort exist in a defined

geographic region at a specific point in time. Underlying

data is necessary to reach this type of a conclusion, and

the provision of this data is thus necessary to assess

whether a vocational expert’s conclusions are actually

grounded in fact.

III. Finally, requiring a vocational expert to provide

the underlying data upon request is consistent with the

agency’s policies and with common sense. The agency

itself, in nonbinding guidance, advises vocational

experts to be prepared to furnish their underlying data

at disability determination hearings, and informs

vocational experts that an ALJ will not rely solely on

their testimony when determining whether “other

work” exists in sufficient numbers. In other guidance,

the agency charges ALJs with analyzing data sources

that are inconsistent with the vocational expert’s

testimony before the ALJ may accept the expert’s

testimony as conclusive. This same rationale should

govern here.

In order to assure that the agency has met its burden

of demonstrating the existence of other work with more

than merely the uncorroborated say-so of a vocational

expert, ALJs should require that the expert’s

underlying data be provided upon request. If the

evidence exists, the vocational expert can efficiently

provide it, as the Seventh Circuit’s rule demonstrates.

If it does not exist, the agency and reviewing court can

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then probe what possible basis the expert might have for

his or her testimony in the first place.

ARGUMENT

I.

A VOCATIONAL EXPERT’S TESTIMONY

CANNOT CONSTITUTE “SUBSTANTIAL

EVIDENCE” OF “OTHER WORK” UNDER

42 U.S.C. § 405(g) IF THE VOCATIONAL

EXPERT REFUSES TO PROVIDE, UPON

REQUEST, THE DATA UNDERLYING

THAT TESTIMONY.

In interpreting provisions of the Social Security Act,

this Court begins, “as usual, with the statutory text.”

Maslenjak v. United States, 137 S. Ct. 1918, 1924 (2017);

see also Gisbrecht v. Barnhart, 535 U.S. 789, 799 (2002).

The relevant statutory provision here provides “[t]he

findings of the Commissioner of Social Security as to any

fact, if supported by substantial evidence, shall be

conclusive.” 42 U.S.C. § 405(g). Under this Court’s wellestablished precedent, “substantial evidence” requires

more than the say-so of a vocational expert. It requires

reliable expert testimony subject to meaningful probing

by an adverse party or the decision-maker. The Sixth

Circuit’s decision below disregards this requirement.

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A. Richardson v. Perales Mandates That

Vocational Experts Provide The Data

Underlying Their Conclusions Upon An

Applicant’s Request.

1. Perales identifies various indicia of

reliability that expert testimony must

possess

to

constitute

“substantial

evidence” under § 405(g).

In Richardson v. Perales, this Court considered the

precise question of what “substantial evidence” requires

for expert evidence introduced at disability hearings.

402 U.S. at 401. In approaching this question, the Court

emphasized that the standards governing disability

determinations “should be understandable to the layman

applicant, should not necessarily be stiff and comfortable

only for the trained attorney, and should be liberal and

not strict in tone and operation.” Id. 400-01. Consistent

with “the obvious intent of Congress,” hearings should

be “informal rather than formal”—“so long as the

procedures are fundamentally fair.” Id.

Cognizant of the requirements that social security

benefits proceedings be efficient, accessible, and fair, the

Court determined that “substantial evidence” in this

context means “such relevant evidence as a reasonable

mind might accept as adequate to support a conclusion.”

Id. at 401 (quoting Consolidated Edison Co. of N.Y. v.

NLRB, 305 U.S. 197, 230 (1938)). Material presented to

the agency “without a basis in evidence having rational

probative force” cannot constitute “substantial

evidence.” Perales, 402 U.S. at 407 (internal quotation

marks omitted).

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The Court then applied this standard to the expert

evidence introduced at the applicant’s hearing. The

applicant in Perales challenged written reports

submitted by four licensed physicians who had examined

the applicant but who did not testify at the hearing. The

applicant argued that the written reports could not

constitute “substantial evidence” because none of the

physicians were cross-examined and because the only

live testimony presented at the hearing contradicted the

written reports and supported his claim. This Court

rejected the argument, highlighting “a number of factors

that, we feel, assure [the] underlying reliability and

probative value” of the challenged expert evidence. Id.

at 402. Two of those considerations have particular

relevance here.

First, the Court emphasized the robust evidentiary

foundation for the expert reports. The Court explained

“[t]he particular reports of the physicians who examined

claimant Perales were based on personal consultation

and personal examination and rested on accepted

medical procedure.” Id. at 403. The reports reflected an

“impressive range of examination” by experts in

different specialties, including “a patient and careful

endeavor by the state agency and the examiner to

ascertain the truth.” Id. at 404. In the reports, the

experts carefully detailed their examinations, providing

not only their bottom-line conclusions on disability but

also the results of specific tests they performed to reach

those results. Id. at 403-04. The medical reports in

Perales thus afforded the hearing examiner, and the

reviewing courts, the opportunity to evaluate whether

the doctors’ diagnoses logically flowed from the

examinations upon which they were based. Buttressing

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the Court’s confidence in the reports’ conclusions was

the lack of any “inconsistency whatsoever in the

reports,” despite the fact that “each result was reached

by independent examination in the writer’s field of

specialized training.” Id. at 404.

Second, in assessing whether “substantial evidence”

supported the ALJ’s finding, the Court found salient

that the applicant had failed to avail himself of

procedures for testing the “reliability and probative

value” of expert evidence in disability hearings. Id. at

402. The Court noted that although the applicant

complained of not being able to “cross-examine the

reporting

physicians”

whose

written

reports

contributed to the ALJ’s adverse determination, the

applicant had failed to take advantage of the procedure

that would have afforded him that very opportunity:

asking the ALJ to issue subpoenas for the appearance

and testimony of the physicians. Id. at 404-05; 20 C.F.R.

§ 404.950(d).4 Because the physicians were subject to

subpoena and cross-examination, relying on their

reports did not diminish the “integrity” or “fairness” of

the hearing. And because the applicant did not pursue

his opportunity to subpoena and cross-examine the

witnesses, the applicant could not “complain[] that he

was denied the rights of confrontation and crossexamination.” Perales, 402 U.S. at 405; see also id. at

402.

4

At the time that Perales was decided, 20 C.F.R. § 404.926 allowed

ALJs and members of the Appeals Council to issue subpoenas on

their own initiative or on request of either party. That regulation

was moved in 1980 to 20 C.F.R. § 404.950(d), but its substance

remains the same.

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Perales thus demonstrates the contours of

“substantial evidence” in social security proceedings.

Expert testimony cannot be “substantial evidence” if

there is no viable means of verifying whether the

testimony is reliable. That verification is best facilitated

by making the underlying data available to the applicant

and permitting the applicant to test the data and

conclusions drawn from the data through crossexamination. But Perales also recognizes that an

applicant may acquiesce to the reliability of expert

testimony by declining to challenge reliability in agency

proceedings. What Perales does not permit, however, is

deeming expert testimony “substantial evidence” when

there is no means of verifying the evidence upon which

the testimony is based, and an applicant does not

acquiesce to the reliability of the testimony. Yet that is

precisely what the Sixth Circuit countenanced below.

2. Under Perales, the testimony of a

vocational

expert

cannot

constitute

substantial evidence when an expert

withholds the data upon which the

testimony is based.

The Sixth Circuit’s approach conflicts with Perales in

two important ways. First, a court cannot test the

factual predicates for an expert’s conclusions when the

expert withholds the underlying data. In the opinion

below, the Sixth Circuit found substantial evidence of

the number of jobs available to Petitioner (including the

vocational expert’s subsequent reduction of those

numbers “by about 20 to 30 percent” in response to a

hypothetical question by the ALJ) based solely upon the

say-so of the vocational expert. Pet. App. 117a. The

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expert purported to rely in part on her “individual labor

market surveys,” but she refused to provide these

sources. Pet. App. 119a. As a result, neither Petitioner

nor the ALJ could determine whether the expert’s

underlying data were “such . . . as a reasonable mind

might accept as adequate to support [the expert’s]

conclusion.” Perales, 402 U.S. at 401 (internal quotation

marks omitted). The reliability of the vocational

expert’s conclusions was therefore unknowable, in

contrast to the medical reports in Perales, which had

substantial and articulable support. As such, the ALJ’s

conclusion regarding other work available to Petitioner

was based on little more than “uncorroborated hearsay.”

Consolidated Edison Co. of N.Y. v. NLRB, 305 U.S. 197,

230 (1938); see also Chavez v. Berryhill, 895 F.3d 962, 969

(7th Cir. 2018) (“What is entirely lacking is any

testimony from the VE explaining why he had a

reasonable degree of confidence in his estimates. . . . The

absence of any such testimony left the ALJ without any

reasoned and principled basis for accepting the jobnumber estimates.”); Barrett v. Barnhart, 355 F.3d 1065,

1067 (7th Cir. 2004) (“For [the vocational expert] to offer

the number 24,500 with no indication of how he adjusted

the numbers in the dictionary to reflect Barrett’s

diminished capacity leaves us in the dark about the

actual basis of his testimony.”). Without underlying

data, applicants “have little to no meaningful

opportunity to challenge the methodological or empirical

reliability of vocational expert testimony.” Carolyn A.

Kubitschek & Jon C. Dubin, Social Security Disability:

Law & Procedure in Federal Court § 3:106, Westlaw

(Apr. 2018 Update).

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For much the same reason, permitting a vocational

expert to withhold underlying data renders it impossible

to assess whether the vocational expert’s conclusions

regarding jobs numbers are even consistent with the

very sources upon which the expert claims to rely. By

denying an applicant access to the data source or sources

upon which a vocational expert has relied, an ALJ

insulates the expert’s testimony from any analysis of

internal inconsistencies. Indeed, here the vocational

expert identified two sources of data upon which her

analysis was based—“the Bureau of Labor Statistics as

well as [her] own individual labor market surveys.” Pet.

App. 119a. If the various sources relied upon by the

vocational expert conflict, the expert’s testimony alone

cannot constitute substantial evidence. See Perales, 402

U.S. at 404. Yet by preventing any evaluation of what

an expert’s data actually reveal, the Sixth Circuit’s

decision countenances exactly this result.

Second, unlike the applicant in Perales, Petitioner

specifically sought to avail himself of the mechanism

open to him for effectively probing the expert’s

conclusion: requesting the underlying data during crossexamination. See Pet. App. 20a. Although Petitioner’s

counsel had the opportunity to question the vocational

expert, without the data upon which the expert’s

testimony rested, he could not test whether the

vocational expert’s conclusions were based on anything

more than the “suspicion of the existence of the fact to

be established.” NLRB v. Columbian Enameling &

Stamping Co., 306 U.S. 292, 300 (1939). Lack of the

requested data did not merely hamper Petitioner at

cross-examination; it also meant the ALJ reached a

conclusion based solely on the say-so of the expert

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without even reference to, let alone analysis of, the

“labor market studies” the expert claimed as part of the

basis for her conclusions. Perales requires the opposite

result when an applicant takes advantage of the

available mechanisms for testing an expert’s reliability.

3. Requiring vocational experts to provide

upon request the data underlying their

testimony satisfies the indicia of reliability

identified in Perales.

Requiring a vocational expert to provide underlying

data upon request vindicates this Court’s holding in

Perales. Recognizing that “an ALJ’s findings must be

supported by substantial evidence,” the Seventh Circuit

has noted “an ALJ may depend upon expert testimony

only if the testimony is reliable.” McKinnie v. Barnhart,

368 F.3d 907, 910 (7th Cir. 2004) (per curiam). Thus,

when an applicant seeks to understand the basis for a

vocational expert’s conclusions regarding “other work,”

the applicant can cross-examine the expert—“an

approach deemed adequate in Richardson v. Perales.”

Donahue v. Barnhart, 279 F.3d 441, 446 (7th Cir. 2002).

While a vocational expert is “‘free to give a bottom line,’”

during this examination, “the data and reasoning

underlying that bottom line must be ‘available on

demand’ if the applicant challenges the foundation of the

vocational expert’s opinions.” McKinnie, 368 F.3d at 911

(quoting Donahue, 279 F.3d at 446).

Thus, in McKinnie, an expert provided estimates for

the number of jobs available to the applicant in the

regional economy, but “did not substantiate her findings

with a written report or other documentation to

substantiate her figures,” and provided “vague

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responses to McKinnie’s questioning.” Id. As a result,

the court found the agency had failed to establish by

substantial evidence “the existence of a significant

number of jobs that the claimant can perform.” Id.

Yet—again like Perales—“[w]hen no one questions

the vocational expert’s foundation or reasoning, an ALJ

is entitled to accept the vocational expert’s conclusion.”

Donahue, 279 F.3d at 446. Thus, in Barrett v. Barnhart,

355 F.3d 1065 (7th Cir. 2004), although the court was left

“in the dark” as to the basis for the expert’s conclusion

regarding the number of jobs available to the applicant,

any objection was “forfeited” because the applicant’s

lawyer “did not question the basis for the vocational

expert’s testimony, purely conclusory though that

testimony was.” 355 F.3d at 1067.

Requiring the production of underlying data upon

request thus combines the requirement that an ALJ’s

conclusion be based on substantial evidence, not mere

say-so, with Perales’s instruction that an applicant

cannot attack the substantiality of an expert’s

conclusions when the applicant fails before the agency to

take advantage of the procedural mechanisms available

for probing those conclusions. See Shaibi v. Berryhill,

883 F.3d 1102, 1109 (9th Cir. 2017) (“[W]hen a claimant

fails entirely to challenge a vocational expert’s job

numbers during administrative proceedings before the

agency, the claimant forfeits such a challenge on appeal,

at least when that claimant is represented by counsel.”).

This rule achieves precisely the balance between

procedures that are “liberal and not strict in tone” and

yet “fundamentally fair,” that this Court recognized as

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the “obvious intent of Congress” in the Social Security

Act. Perales, 402 U.S. at 400-01.

B. This Court’s Rulings In Other Administrative

Contexts

Confirm

That

“Substantial

Evidence” Requires Experts To Provide

Upon Request The Data Underlying Their

Testimony.

In elucidating the contours of the “substantial

evidence” standard, Perales cited to this Court’s

interpretation of that phrase in a variety of regulatory

contexts.

See Perales, 402 U.S. at 401 (citing

Consolidated Edison Co., 305 U.S. 197, and Universal

Camera Corp. v. NLRB, 340 U.S. 474 (1951), applying

the National Labor Relations Act, and Consolo v.

Federal Maritime Commission, 383 U.S. 607 (1966),

applying the Administrative Procedure Act). As this

Court has recognized, “[t]he statutory phrase

‘substantial evidence’ is a ‘term of art’ in administrative

law that describes how an administrative record is to be

judged by a reviewing court.” T-Mobile S., L.L.C. v. City

of Roswell, 135 S. Ct. 808, 815 (2015) (quoting United

States v. Carlo Bianchi & Co., 373 U.S. 709, 715 (1963)).

When interpreting the term “substantial evidence” in

the Telecommunications Act of 1996, Pub. L. No. 104104, 110 Stat. 56, the Court found “no reason discernable

from the text of the Act to think that Congress meant to

use the phrase in a different way” than in other

provisions setting the standards for judicial review of

agency action. T-Mobile S., 135 S. Ct. at 815. The same

is true here. Congress intended “substantial evidence”

in the Social Security Act to provide the same

substantive and procedural protections during judicial

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review that exist in other agency contexts. H.R. Rep.

No. 76-728, at 43; S. Rep. No. 76-734, at 52; see also H.R.

Rep. No. 94-679, at 2-3. This Court thus can and should

look to analogous administrative contexts where an

agency’s findings must be supported by substantial

evidence to survive judicial review.

Of greatest relevance here, this Court has urged

special caution when finding “substantial evidence”

based on expert testimony. In Baltimore & Ohio

Railroad Co. v. Aberdeen & Rockfish Railroad Co.

(“Baltimore & O. R.R. Co.”), 393 U.S. 87 (1968), this

Court held that the Interstate Commerce Commission’s

allocation of revenue between Southern and Northern

rail lines was not supported by substantial evidence.

Specifically, the Court faulted the Commission for using

the Northern rail lines’ blended average costs as a basis

for allocating revenues when 80% of the Northern rail

lines’ traffic was solely within the North, and it was

“difficult to maintain that these intraterritorial

Northern costs are the same or approximately the same

as the Northern costs in handling traffic between North

and South.” Id. at 90. Crediting the Board’s use of the

average costs, this Court found, “would in effect be

saying that the expertise of the Commission is so great

that when it says average territorial costs fairly

represent the costs of North-South traffic, the

controversy is at an end, even though the record does

not reveal what the nature of that North-South traffic

is.” Id. at 91-92. Acceptance of this characterization of

the facts, this Court found, would render the

requirement that the Commission’s actions be “based on

substantial evidence . . . lost in the haze of so-called

expertise.” Id. at 92.

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The very same danger exists here.

While

“[p]recision and exactitude in the mathematical sense”

may not be possible in a vocational expert’s estimate of

various job categories in the national economy, that is a

far cry from saying that the agency can satisfy its burden

of demonstrating other work on the testimony of the

expert alone. Id. Accepting the expert’s testimony in

this regard—particularly when challenged by the

applicant—would, like Baltimore & O. R.R. Co.,

improperly assume administrative expertise at the cost

of actual evidence. See also Dickinson v. Zurko, 527

U.S. 150, 162 (1999) (recognizing that, in defining

substantial evidence review, “the Court has stressed the

importance of not simply rubber-stamping agency

factfinding”).

In other administrative contexts, this Court has

noted that substantial evidence “afford[s] a substantial

basis of fact from which the fact in issue can be

reasonably inferred.”

Columbian Enameling &

Stamping Co., 306 U.S. at 299. Thus, in Columbian

Enameling, the Court held that substantial evidence did

not support the National Labor Relations Board’s

conclusion that an employer had improperly refused to

bargain collectively with its employees. In finding the

Board’s conclusion not adequately supported, the Court

noted a crucial fact was missing from the Board’s record.

Although the deficiency was “pointedly bought to the

attention of the Board . . . no attempt was made to

supply the omission.” Id. at 298. As a result, the Board’s

decision on this significant point rested on a “matter of

conjecture” that the Court deemed insufficient to satisfy

the substantial evidence standard. Id. at 299, 300.

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As seen in the opinion below, permitting reliance on

expert testimony despite the applicant’s request for

underlying data countenances almost precisely the error

this Court identified in Columbian Enameling. The

Sixth Circuit recognized that Petitioner requested the

data underlying the expert’s opinion and argued that

“little substantiates the reliability of the vocational

expert’s testimony other than her word,” such that it

“falls short of ‘substantial evidence.’” Pet. App. 20a. Yet

despite having pointed out to the agency an “omission”

in the record that constrained the agency to rely on the

expert’s “conjecture” alone rather than substantial

evidence, the Sixth Circuit nonetheless affirmed the

agency’s finding. Columbian Enameling requires

otherwise. Columbian Enameling, 306 U.S. at 299-300.

Equally elucidating is the rare case in which this

Court has found an agency’s decision supported by

substantial evidence when the decision was based on

expert testimony alone. In Federal Power Commission

v. Florida Power & Light Co. (“FP&L”), 404 U.S. 453,

462-463 (1972), this Court reversed the Fifth Circuit and

held the Federal Power Commission had jurisdiction

over the respondent because the respondent was

engaged in the transmission of electric energy in

interstate commerce.

The Court noted that the

Commission had accepted the testimony of an expert

regarding the transmission of power, even though “[t]he

elusive nature of electrons renders experimental

evidence that might draw the fine distinctions required

by this case practically unobtainable.” Id. at 466-67.

Nonetheless, the expert’s testimony was “probed, and in

our opinion not undercut, by the hearing examiner’s

questions . . . [and] cross-examination.” Id. at 463 Thus,

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the Court held, “well-reasoned expert testimony—based

on what is known and uncontradicted by empirical

evidence—may in and of itself be ‘substantial evidence’

when first-hand evidence on the question (in this case

how electricity moves within a bus) is unavailable.” Id.

at 464-65. FP&L is instructive because it demonstrates

the type of situation—when actual evidence simply does

not exist but well-reasoned expert testimony is

uncontradicted—in which substantial evidence can be

found based on an expert’s (or multiple experts’)

testimony alone.

This is vastly different from the case here, in which

an expert makes a statement, acknowledges under

questioning that the statement is based on first-hand

evidence in the expert’s possession, but then refuses to

share that evidence. FP&L declined to require an

expert to conduct the type of studies that, “if they are

feasible at all—would take one or two years to conduct,”

in order for the agency to rely upon the expert’s

testimony. Id. at 467-68. But that is entirely different

than requiring an expert to produce upon request a

study the expert already conducted and upon which

they explicitly base their testimony. Id.

II.

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FINDING AN EXPERT’S TESTIMONY,

ALONE,

TO

BE

SUBSTANTIAL

EVIDENCE

IGNORES

THE

REQUIREMENT THAT TESTMIONY BE

RELIABLE, AND CONFLATES THE

CREDIBILITY OF AN EXPERT WITH

THE RELIABILITY OF THE EXPERT’S

EVIDENCE.

Courts, like the Sixth Circuit, that consider a

vocational expert’s say-so to be substantial evidence,

notwithstanding a challenge from the applicant, have

done so for three misguided reasons.

First, these courts note that “[e]vidence may be

received at any hearing before the Commissioner of

Social Security even though inadmissible under rules of

evidence applicable to court procedure.” 42 U.S.C.

§ 405(b)(1).

They then conclude that requiring

vocational experts to provide upon request the data

underlying their testimony would violate § 405(b)(1) by

“effectively import[ing] a key provision of the Federal

Rules of Evidence into Social Security proceedings.”

Pet. App. 21a. These courts likewise criticize the

Seventh Circuit for “acknowledg[ing] . . . that ALJs are

not bound by the Rules of Evidence, but then turn[ing]

around and requir[ing] ALJs to hew so closely to

Daubert’s principles.” Brault, 683 F.3d at 449; Purdy v.

Berryhill, 887 F.3d 7, 16 (1st Cir. 2018); Welsh v. Comm’r

Soc. Sec., 662 F. App’x 105, 109 (3d Cir. 2016). But as

seen in the Seventh Circuit, requiring the production of

underlying data does not apply a Daubert-like standard

that would determine whether a vocational expert’s

testimony is admissible in the first place. Vocational

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experts in the Seventh Circuit can and do testify without

any Daubert-like gatekeeping procedure to assess their

qualifications. Moreover, hearings within the Seventh

Circuit are not constrained by the myriad procedural

and substantive rules applicable to experts in civil

litigation.

Second, courts that reject the Seventh Circuit’s

approach ignore that in choosing not to apply the

Federal Rules of Evidence to social security

proceedings, Congress did not jettison the common-law

rule that an expert’s testimony must be reliable. That

common law requirement has always governed a

decision-maker’s acceptance of expert testimony,

including in the administrative context. Access to the

data underlying an expert’s testimony, if requested, is a

critical means of ensuring this reliability.

Third, the Sixth Circuit and the courts that agree

with it conflate reliability and credibility. In rejecting

the Seventh Circuit’s approach, the Sixth Circuit noted

that ALJs “carefully weigh the credibility of witnesses

who testify,” and thus their “acceptance of [that]

testimony cannot be said to have been improper.” Pet.

App. 22a (quoting Sias v. Sec’y of Health & Human

Servs., 861 F.2d 475, 481 (6th Cir. 1988)). But the

“credibility” of a vocational expert is a red herring. An

expert may be credible in the sense that the expert has

no bias, is truthful, and demonstrates sufficient

experience and education. But those attributes have

little bearing on whether an expert’s testimony

regarding a specific number of jobs, in a specific region,

at a specific time, is reliable. That inquiry does not

concern an expert’s credibility, but turns instead on the

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accuracy of the underlying data and the rationality and

rigor of the analysis. Reliability and credibility are

simply not the same thing. While an expert’s general

credibility is important, it does not demonstrate that

specific conclusions are reliable and supply the requisite

“substantial evidence” to give a factual finding

conclusive effect on judicial review. See, e.g., Pet. App.

22a (“[I]t is undoubtedly true that vocational expert

testimony that is ‘conjured out of whole cloth’ cannot be

considered substantial evidence.”); Brault, 683 F.3d at

450 (“[W]e agree with the Seventh Circuit that evidence

cannot be substantial if it is ‘conjured out of whole

cloth.’” (internal citation omitted)).

A. Requiring vocational experts to provide upon

request the data underlying their conclusions

does not import the Federal Rules of

Evidence into social security hearings.

It is undisputed that “strict rules of evidence,

applicable in the courtroom, are not to operate at social

security hearings so as to bar the admission of evidence

otherwise pertinent.” Perales, 402 U.S. at 400; 42 U.S.C.

§ 405(b)(1). But the Second and Sixth Circuits are

simply wrong when they claim the Seventh Circuit’s

approach “acknowledge[d] in Donahue that ALJs are

not bound by the Rules of Evidence, but then . . .

require[d] ALJs to hew so closely to [them].” Pet. App.

21a (quoting Brault, 683 F.3d at 449).

A brief

comparison of the requirements of the federal rules that

govern the testimony of experts in courtrooms with the

rules governing the testimony of vocational experts

within the Seventh Circuit makes this point clear.

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Once an expert has satisfied the various disclosure

requirements laid out in Rule 26 of the Federal Rules of

Civil Procedure—none of which of course apply here—

an expert’s proffered testimony is next subjected to

various tests imposed by the Federal Rules of Evidence

and this Court’s interpretations of those rules.

Specifically, Daubert and Kumho Tire require the trial

court to play “a gatekeeping role” for expert testimony.

Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharm., Inc., 509 U.S. 579, 597

(1993); Kumho Tire Co. v. Carmichael, 526 U.S. 137, 14142 (1999). The trial court measures the expert’s

proffered testimony against Rule 702 to “ensur[e] that

an expert’s testimony both rests on a reliable foundation

and is relevant to the task at hand.” Daubert, 509 U.S.

at 597. If the expert clears that hurdle, the expert may

testify at trial. If an expert does not clear the Daubert

hurdle, evidence from that expert is inadmissible at trial.

See, e.g., In re Zoloft (Sertraline Hydrochloride) Prods.

Liab. Litig., 858 F.3d 787, 797 (3d Cir. 2017) (“[A]ny step

that renders the analysis unreliable under the Daubert

factors renders the expert’s testimony inadmissible.”

(internal quotation marks omitted)). Even if an expert

surmounts Daubert, any testimony received at trial is

subject to various limitations set forth in the Federal

Rules of Evidence and can be attacked through

“[v]igorous cross-examination, presentation of contrary

evidence, and careful instruction on the burden of proof,”

aided by voluminous pretrial disclosures. Daubert, 509

U.S. at 595-96.

As seen in the Seventh Circuit, requiring underlying

data from vocational experts upon request imports none

of these requirements. The Seventh Circuit has

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expressly recognized that “Rule 702 does not apply to

disability adjudications,” which it properly characterizes

as “a hybrid between the adversarial and the

inquisitorial models.” Donahue, 279 F.3d at 446 (citing

Perales, 402 U.S. 389). Thus, unlike under Daubert and

Rule 702, there is no preliminary hearing prior to a

vocational expert’s testimony, let alone a requirement

that an expert produce a report or summary in advance

of testifying that details the expert’s experience,

compensation, conclusions, and factual support.

Moreover, vocational experts testifying in social

security disability hearings within the Seventh Circuit

are subject to none of the requirements of the Federal

Rules of Evidence. And social security proceedings in

the Seventh Circuit are unburdened by the

requirements of the Federal Rules of Evidence in

myriad ways, from reliance on hearsay testimony, see

Perales, 402 U.S. at 402 (permitting reliance on hearsay

written reports); Binion ex rel. Binion v. Chater, 108

F.3d 780, 788 n.5 (7th Cir. 1997), to an ALJ’s

consideration of evidence from outside the record, see

Adkins v. Astrue, 226 F. App’x 600, 606-07 (7th Cir.

2007) (rejecting claimant’s argument that ALJ violated

Federal Rules of Evidence when considering medical

reference text outside of the record).

It is thus no surprise that in the sixteen years since

Donahue, social security hearings within the Seventh

Circuit have not turned into mini-trials. They have

instead retained all of the efficiency and informality

Congress envisioned. Under the Seventh Circuit’s

approach, the vocational expert need only make the data

underlying the expert’s testimony “available on demand

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to facilitate cross-examination and testing of the VE’s

reliability.” Britton v. Astrue, 521 F.3d 799, 804 (7th Cir.

2008). This approach does not “endorse a system that

drags out every Social Security hearing to an

interminable length.” Id. Instead, it requires the expert

to provide the data only if asked to do so and only at the

hearing itself. Moreover, ALJs are careful to require

vocational experts to provide only the precise data upon

which they rely, and nothing more. See id. at 802, 804.

And the Seventh Circuit has ensured that its rules do

not render every proceeding “impossibly long.” Id. It

has achieved this result by suggesting that applicants

will question the expert about the data at the same

hearing where the expert supplies it, perhaps with the

benefit of a “brief recess[]” as necessary for review. Id.

The Seventh Circuit’s standard does not entitle the

applicant to prehearing disclosures, nor does it obligate

the ALJ to schedule supplemental proceedings. It

simply requires that the vocational expert come to the

hearing prepared to furnish and discuss the foundation

for his or her conclusions and that the applicant or

applicant’s representative be given the opportunity to

meaningfully inquire into the validity of the data and

their connection to the expert’s conclusions.

Lower courts have applied this straightforward rule

without upsetting the balance it strikes. In cases where

ALJs do not enforce the rule, lower courts reverse and

remand. See, e.g., Powell v. Colvin, No. 1:13-CV-51, 2014

WL 1643313, at *14-15 (N.D. Ind. Apr. 22, 2014);

Reynolds v. Astrue, No. 09-C-0537, 2010 WL 2900356, at

*4 (E.D. Wis. July 21, 2010). But courts have likewise

recognized the rule’s limitations and rejected arguments

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that seek to broaden its application. See, e.g., Khuzaie v.

Comm’r of Soc. Sec., No. 1:14-CV-00199-SLC, 2016 WL

1253537, at *15 (N.D. Ind. Mar. 30, 2016) (rejecting

argument that expert was required to provide data

where applicant failed to request it); Ronning v. Colvin,

No. 13 CV 8194, 2015 WL 1912157, at *9 (N.D. Ill. Apr.

27, 2015) (rejecting argument that expert failed to

support her testimony where she identified specific

sources of data, explained her methodology, and was

able on cross-examination to reconcile and explain

differences between figures).

This real-world experience belies the notion that the

Seventh Circuit has imported the Federal Rules of

Evidence or Daubert into social security proceedings.

The Seventh Circuit’s rule “increases the . . . reliability

of the evaluation process” without compromising

efficiency. Bowen v. Yuckert, 482 U.S. 137, 153 (1987).

That is exactly what procedural mechanisms within the

Social Security context should achieve. Id.

B. Expert

testimony

in

administrative

proceedings must be reliable, and this Court

has recognized that reliability is best assured

through cross-examination of the data and

methodology resulting in the expert’s

conclusions.

The courts that do not require a vocational expert’s

underlying data upon request err in another important

way. Even though the Federal Rules of Evidence do not

apply in social security hearings, vocational expert

testimony must still be reliable in order for an ALJ’s

reliance on that testimony to constitute substantial

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evidence. This requirement of expert reliability has long

existed in administrative law, and derives from common

law principles that continue to animate judicial review of

expert testimony. Reliability cannot be vindicated

effectively without meaningful cross-examination of the

expert, which in turn requires the expert to supply the

foundation for his or her testimony if the applicant

requests it.

In Perales this Court’s inquiry into whether the

medical reports could constitute “substantial evidence”

focused on the reports’ “underlying reliability.” Perales,

402 U.S. at 402. As discussed above, the Court examined

numerous aspects of the reports’ content and the

procedures available to the applicants to challenge them.

See Part I.A.1, supra. The Court also examined more

broadly the various contexts in which this form of expert

testimony had been deemed reliable. See Perales, 402

U.S. at 403-04 (noting that written medical reports had

been deemed reliable in civil litigation and judicial

review of social security hearings). Likewise, in Marsh

v. Oregon Natural Resources Council, 490 U.S. 360

(1989), the Court emphasized—while reviewing an

agency’s decision to ensure, inter alia, that it was based

upon substantial evidence, see id. 375 n.21—that while

“an agency must have discretion to rely on the

reasonable opinions of its own qualified experts . . .

courts should not automatically defer to the agency’s

express reliance on an interest in finality without

carefully reviewing the record and satisfying

themselves that the agency has made a reasoned

decision based on its evaluation of the significance—or

lack of significance” of the information in the record, id.

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at 378. Marsh, again, emphasizes that part and parcel of

the substantial evidence inquiry is an examination of

whether an expert’s testimony is sufficiently reliable to

be accepted.

Following this Court’s lead, the courts of appeals

have stressed the importance of reliability when

assessing an agency’s use of expert evidence in

administrative proceedings. For example, in United

States Steel Mining Co. v. Director, Office of Workers’

Compensation Programs, 187 F.3d 384, 386 (4th Cir.

1999), the Fourth Circuit reversed the Department of

Labor’s determination that an individual qualified for

survivors’ benefits under the Black Lung Benefits Act.

In reviewing the evidence relied upon by the agency, the

court explained “in an agency proceeding the gate

keeping function to evaluate evidence occurs when the

evidence is considered in decision[-]making rather than

when the evidence is admitted.” Id. at 389. But this

evaluation must nonetheless occur because “[a]bsent

such a discipline to qualify evidence, administrative

findings and orders could unacceptably rest on

suspicions, surmise, and speculation.” Id. Setting aside

the speculative opinion of an expert, “the ALJ was

without any evidence upon which to base a finding,” and

the court deemed the agency’s determination

unsupported by substantial evidence. Id. at 391; see also

Britton, 521 F.3d at 803 (“A finding based on unreliable

VE testimony is equivalent to a finding that is not

supported by substantial evidence and must be

vacated.”).

That courts require agencies to rely upon reliable

experts—even absent the application of the Federal

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Rules of Evidence—is no surprise in light of the

“common law[’s] insistence upon ‘the most reliable

sources of information.’” Daubert, 509 U.S. at 592

(quoting Advisory Committee’s Notes on Fed. Rule

Evid. 602, 28 U.S.C. App., p. 755); see also 1 McCormick

On Evidence § 10 (Kenneth S. Broun ed., 7th ed. 2013)

(noting the common law is “exacting in its insistence on

the most reliable sources of information”); see Albert S.

Osborn, Reasons and Reasoning in Expert Testimony,

2 L. & Contemp. Problems 488, 488 (1935) (noting that

“expert testimony that [is] not susceptible of illustration

and explanation so as to be weighed by the ordinary

hearer . . . is the class of testimony that can be rendered

almost valueless in case of conflict and in many instances

deserves the severest criticism. A bare opinion is a

dangerous basis for a verdict”). Indeed, treatises dating

back to 1777 recognized, “the first, therefore, and most

signal Rule in Relation to Evidence, is this, That a Man

must have the utmost Evidence, the nature of the Fact

is capable of: For the Design of the Law is come to legal

Demonstration in Matters of Right, and there can be no

Demonstration of a Fact without the best Evidence that

the Nature of the Thing is capable of.” Geoffrey Gilbert,

The Law of Evidence at 4 (4th ed. 1777). Rule 702

“relax[e]d the traditional barriers to ‘opinion’

testimony” at common law. Daubert, 509 U.S. at 588

(internal quotation marks omitted). But nothing in Rule

702, or this Court’s decisions regarding the use of

experts in either civil litigation or administrative

proceedings, suggests that reliability is no longer the

touchstone when determining whether expert

testimony should be relied upon in establishing a fact

upon which a decision-maker relies.

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The ability to conduct probing cross-examination of

an expert has long been understood by this Court as a

critical means of assuring that an expert’s testimony is,

in fact, reliable. See id. at 596 (“Vigorous crossexamination, presentation of contrary evidence, and

careful instruction on the burden of proof are the

traditional and appropriate means of attacking shaky

but admissible evidence.”); Perales, 402 U.S. at 410

(recognizing that “cross-examination as may be required

for a full and true disclosure of the facts” is integral to

the “integrity and fundamental fairness” of

proceedings”); Melendez-Diaz v. Massachusetts, 557

U.S. 305, 320 (2009) (“Like expert witnesses generally,

an analyst’s lack of proper training or deficiency in

judgment may be disclosed in cross-examination.”); see

also Stephan Landsman, Of Witches, Madmen, and

Products Liability: An Historical Survey of the Use of

Expert Testimony, 13 Behav. Sci. & L. 131, 139-40 (1995)

(noting that in the 1800s, the advent of “[l]awyer crossexamination exposed weaknesses and uncertainties that

had been previously unexplored [in expert testimony]”).

Rejecting an applicant’s request for access to the

data that vocational experts identify as the basis for

their testimony renders cross-examination effectively

meaningless. “The age-old tool for ferreting out truth in

the trial process is the right to cross-examination,”

which remains a hallmark for “testing the facts offered

by the defendant on direct.” Perry v. Leeke, 488 U.S.

272, 283 n.7 (1989) (internal quotation marks omitted).

And as several courts have recognized, “it is important

to the proper cross-examination of an expert witness

that the adverse party be aware of the facts underlying

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the expert’s opinions, including whether the expert

made an independent evaluation of those facts, or

whether he instead adopted the opinions of the lawyers

that retained him.” Elm Grove Coal Co. v. Dir., Office

of Workers’ Comp. Programs, 480 F.3d 278, 301 (4th Cir.

2007). With no access to underlying data, an applicant

cannot probe the basic question—fundamental to

assessing an expert’s reliability—of whether the

expert’s conclusions flow from a coherent analysis of

reliable data sources. In turn, an ALJ who finds “other

work” available to an applicant on that testimony alone

has little means of assuring that the expert’s testimony

reliably supports that finding.

This problem is hardly theoretical. An undisclosed

“confidential labor market survey,” such as that cited by

the vocational expert here, permits no verification that

an individual allegedly placed at a job had the same

limitations as the hypothetical individual described by

the ALJ. In situations where an applicant’s specific or

unique limitations may be the exact reason why a certain

job is in fact not viable, an ALJ’s acceptance of

undisclosed data on this critical fact may result in

exactly the unreliable conclusion the substantial

evidence standard is intended to protect against.

Likewise, particular employers may have unique or

atypical jobs that do not more broadly represent the

opportunities available within DOT-defined job

categories. The fact that one employer, in one location,

at one time, may have employed an individual with a set

of limitations—or that in an unverified time period a

particular job could be performed notwithstanding

certain limitations—provides almost no means of

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verifying that jobs currently available to an applicant

exist in various regions in the country or within the

national economy. And, even if an employer hired an

individual with certain limitations, that single data point,

alone, does not demonstrate that the individual was able

to keep the job past an initial probationary or training

period.

Vocational expert testimony based on

undisclosed private surveys cannot fulfill the

government’s burden in this regard.

Indeed, the problem is more acute still. In a situation

like Petitioner’s, not only is the applicant denied a means

of showing (if it is the case) that the expert’s conclusions

are not supported by the underlying evidence, but an

ALJ’s perception of the reliability of an expert’s

testimony could well be enhanced because of the

expert’s citation to sources the expert nonetheless

withholds. See, e.g., United States v. Downing, 753 F.2d

1224, 1239 (3d Cir. 1985) (recognizing that “[t]he danger

that scientific evidence will mislead the [factfinder]

might be greater, for example, where the [factfinder] is

not presented with the data on which the expert relies,

but must instead accept the expert’s assertions as to the

accuracy of his conclusions”); United States v. Fosher,

590 F.2d 381, 383 (1st Cir. 1979) (describing a common

concern among courts that technical expert testimony

poses “substantial danger of undue prejudice and

confusion because of its aura of special reliability and

trustworthiness”). Even the Sixth Circuit recognizes

that vocational experts cannot conjure their opinions out

of whole cloth. But ALJs and reviewing courts have no

way to eliminate that very possibility when an expert

withholds the foundation for his or her testimony.

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The agency’s suggestion that an applicant might

“tender his own evidence . . . [or] submit evidence that

contradicted [the vocational expert’s] estimates,” is no

solution to this problem. BIO 13. For one, it is the

agency’s burden to show the existence of other work by

substantial evidence. The burden of proof shifts to the

agency at step five “in express recognition of the

manifest unfairness of requiring disabled, unemployed,

mostly lower income applicants to prove a broad

negative proposition about the absence of suitable

alternative work in the labor market.” Overcoming

Gridlock, 62 Admin. L. Rev. at 964. Indeed, “[t]hat even

the agency has openly acknowledged these fairness

considerations in its burden of proof regulations further

counsels against re[-]shifting this burden back to

applicants.” Id. (footnote omitted).

In addition, even were predominantly pro se

applicants5 able to surmount the substantial costs and

practical difficulties in hiring their own vocational

experts, a battle of experts is precisely the opposite of

the efficient, cost-effective, and informal administrative

scheme that Congress envisioned.

The Seventh

Circuit’s rule eliminates the need for inefficient and

5

“[A] large portion of Social Security claimants either have no

representation at all or are represented by non-attorneys.” Sims v.

Apfel, 530 U.S. 103, 112 (2000). See Soc. Sec. Advisory Board, Filing

for Social Security Benefits: What Impact Does Professional

Representation Have on the Process at the Initial Application

Level?, 23, figure 4 (Sept. 2012) (aggregating data from the agency

to find that only 14% of SSDI applicants and 4.5% of SSI applicants

had representation at the initial application stage),

https://legalaidresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/ssab-social-securi

ty-disability-representation-2012.pdf.

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costly battles between experts in social security

hearings. It would make little sense to insist upon

exactly this as an applicant’s only means of testing the

reliability of the government’s vocational expert.

C. A vocational expert’s experience and

credibility do not assure reliable conclusions.

In affirming the agency’s decision, the Sixth Circuit

found the ALJ had properly “weigh[ed] the credibility”

of the vocational expert. Pet. App. 22a. And in

defending the Sixth Circuit’s decision, the agency

repeatedly asserts that the ALJ was permitted to credit

the vocational expert’s testimony regarding the number

of jobs available in Southeast Michigan between 2009

and 2013 based solely on the vocational expert’s “11

years of professional experience as a vocational

rehabilitation consultant.” BIO 8; see also id. 12

(“[P]rofessional experience may constitute a valid basis

for a vocational expert’s testimony in a Social Security

disability benefits hearing, where formal evidentiary

rules do not apply at all.”). But an expert’s credibility

and experience are no substitute for a meaningful

inquiry into whether the specific fact-based conclusions

the expert proffers are reliable.

In challenging the vocational expert’s testimony and

seeking access to the data upon which it was based,

Petitioner sought to test the rationality and reliability of

the expert’s conclusions that jobs were available to him.

Specifically, the expert provided estimates of various

jobs available to Petitioner based on hypotheticals posed

by the ALJ regarding Petitioner’s limitations. Thus, the

expert testified that if Petitioner were able to work at

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the light exertional level, see 20 C.F.R. § 404.1567(b), he

could take a job as a “bench assembler” with “6,000 jobs

in Southeast Michigan.” Pet. App. 116a. Next, the

expert testified that if Petitioner could only perform

work at the sedentary level, see 20 C.F.R. § 404.1567(a),

he could still work as a bench assembler with “3,000 jobs

in Southeast Michigan.” Pet. App. 116a. She then

testified that for under the sedentary exertion level the

jobs numbers would need to be reduced further by

“about 20 to 30 percent.” Pet. App. 117a. In support of

these numbers—meant to reflect the jobs market

between October 2008 and May 2013—the expert said

she was relying upon data from “the Bureau of Labor

Statistics as well as [her] own individual labor market

surveys.” Pet. App. 119a.

The expert’s testimony—the sole source for the

ALJ’s finding by “substantial evidence” of “other work”

available to Petitioner in the regional economy—thus

referenced specific jobs, at a specific time, in a specific

place. To be sure, the expert’s general experience may

have aided her conclusion, and her credibility was a

necessary condition for the ALJ’s reliance upon her

testimony. But, more critically, the expert’s testimony

required looking at data sources and drawing

conclusions from those sources. And as the Seventh

Circuit has recognized, it is the job of the ALJ to “hold

the VE to account for the reliability of his job-number

estimates.” Chavez, 895 F.3d at 970. Job markets are

dynamic, and the existence of certain jobs—and the

qualifications required for them—may change over time.

Browning v. Colvin, 766 F.3d 702, 709 (7th Cir. 2014)

(“No doubt many of the jobs [in the DOT] have changed

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and some have disappeared. We have no idea how

vocational experts and administrative law judges deal

with this problem.”).

When an expert claims a specific evidentiary

foundation for his or her testimony, and then withholds

that foundation when asked to provide it, the expert’s

general experience and credibility are not sufficient to

ensure the reliability that “substantial evidence”

requires. Experience and credibility are important, but

they provide no means for the applicant to test—and the

ALJ to assess—whether the expert’s data source is

incomplete or unrepresentative, or the expert’s

methodology flawed. See, e.g., Andreu ex rel. Andreu v.

Sec’y of Dep’t of Health & Human Servs., 569 F.3d 1367,

1379 (Fed. Cir. 2009) (“A trial court makes a credibility

determination in order to assess the candor of a fact

witness, not to evaluate whether an expert witness’

medical theory is supported by the weight of

epidemiological evidence.”); Hendrix ex rel. G.P. v.

Evenflo Co., 609 F.3d 1183, 1201 (11th Cir. 2010)

(“Merely demonstrating that an expert has experience

. . . does not automatically render every opinion and

statement by that expert reliable.”).6

Again,

particularly when an expert acknowledges that a

6

Lower courts in the Seventh Circuit have applied exactly this

reasoning in the context of vocational expert testimony. See Holtz

v. Astrue, No. 07-C-314-C, 2007 WL 5323758, at *5 (W.D. Wis. Nov.

8, 2007) (“What Harris failed to explain, however, was the method

she employed in making this reduction. All she cited was her

experience, but that experience does not explain her math. She did

not cite any formal market surveys that she or other vocational

experts had done or even describe any informal method she

employed to extrapolate her estimates from the state job data.”).

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conclusion rests on data, provision of that data to the

opposing party is the best means of assessing the

conclusion’s reliability and worth.

III.

REQUIRING VOCATIONAL EXPERTS TO

PROVIDE ON REQUEST THE DATA

UNDERLYING THEIR TESTIMONY IS

CONSISTENT WITH THE AGENCY’S OWN

POLICIES AND WITH COMMON SENSE.

In opposing certiorari, the agency argued that the

problem identified by Petitioner might be of “limited

prospective importance.” BIO 18. In support of this

claim, the agency cited the 2017 update to its Vocational

Expert Handbook, which advises vocational experts that

they “should be able to thoroughly explain what

resource materials [they] used and how [they] arrived at

[their] opinions.” BIO 18 (citing Vocational Expert

Handbook at 37). But the Vocational Expert Handbook

is no solution. Most principally, it does not instruct

vocational experts to provide on request the data on

which they rely. And in any event the Vocational

Expert Handbook is advisory, not mandatory. Given

that the issue presented in this case only arises when an

expert refuses to voluntarily provide data, advisory

guidance furnishes little assistance.

That said, the Vocational Expert Handbook is

significant in one important respect: It demonstrates

the agency’s acknowledgment that it is important for

ALJs to evaluate the data underlying conclusions that

vocational experts reach. The Vocational Expert

Handbook’s acknowledgment of this fact makes the

agency’s legal position here all the more unsustainable.

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Specifically, the Vocational Expert Handbook instructs

each vocational expert to “be prepared to cite, explain,

and furnish any sources” relied upon in formulating his

or her hearing testimony. See Vocational Expert

Handbook at 3, 19, 20, 28, 31. It likewise advises

vocational experts that they “should have available, at

the hearing, any vocational resource materials [on which

they] are likely to rely”; and that they “should be able to

thoroughly explain what resource materials [they] used

and how [they] arrived at [their] opinions.” Id. at 37. It

informs vocational experts that “[i]n some cases, the

ALJ may ask you to provide relevant portions of

materials you rely upon.” Id.

These instructions reflect a reality—entirely at odds

with the agency’s position here—that the say-so of a

vocational expert is not enough for the ALJ to make a

finding supported by substantial evidence. The agency

recognizes that it is good policy for vocational experts to

“cite, explain, and furnish any sources” upon which they

rely. But it cannot explain why that policy makes sense

only when an expert is willing to turn over the data, but

not when the expert refuses. It is no answer, moreover,

to claim that the purported “confidentiality” of private

labor market surveys provides vocational experts with a

coherent basis for refusing to share such information.7

After all, there are myriad ways to protect the use and

disclosure of confidential information in adjudications,

7

Since 2002, when the Seventh Circuit adopted its rule requiring

disclosure on request, courts within the circuit have rejected a

“confidential[ity]” exception without any problematic results. See,

e.g., Ramzan v. Colvin, No. 12C7362, 2015 WL 5921811, at *7 (N.D.

Ill. Oct. 9, 2015).

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just as in civil litigation. If agencies and courts are

equipped to handle highly sensitive information related

to national security, trade secrets, and foreign affairs,

surely labor market surveys can likewise be shared in a

manner that does not jeopardize the vocational expert’s

“client files.”

The agency has also recognized in contexts beyond

the Vocational Expert Handbook that the say-so of a

vocational expert is not enough.

In a policy

interpretation ruling, the agency explained that a

vocational expert’s testimony does not “automatically

‘trump[]’ when there is a conflict” with other evidence.

SSR 00-4P, 2000 WL 1898704, at *2 (Dec. 4, 2000). To

the contrary, the agency imposes “an affirmative

responsibility” on the ALJ to inquire into, and resolve,

“any possible conflict” between the expert’s testimony

and the occupational information listed in the DOT

before the ALJ can rely on the vocational expert’s

testimony. Id. at *4. In resolving any conflict, the ALJ

must “identify and obtain a reasonable explanation” for

the expert’s testimony. Id. at *1. Without such an

explanation, the ALJ cannot rely on the expert’s

testimony in weighing the evidence. Id.

By placing this obligation on the ALJ, the agency is

not “importing” the Federal Rules of Evidence into

disability determinations. Rather, SSR 00-4P simply

reflects the common sense reality that vocational expert

testimony is not dispositive simply because it comes

from a so-called expert. The same reality applies to

testimony that a vocational expert provides about the

extent of “other work” available to the applicant. Where

the expert’s testimony is challenged—in this case

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through cross-examination by the applicant, rather than

by conflict with the DOT—the expert’s say-so is not

enough. The ALJ must look behind the expert’s

conclusion to test its basis. Absent that inquiry, the ALJ

is left with nothing more than unsupported conclusions

and ipse dixit, neither of which rises to the level of

substantial evidence. See Gen. Elec. Co. v. Joiner, 522

U.S. 136, 146 (1997).

The Seventh Circuit’s approach comports not only

with the agency’s policies but also with common sense.

Where an expert references on cross-examination the

existence of data sources on which the expert is relying,

there is no legitimate reason for the expert to withhold

those sources if the applicant requests to see them.

After all, the sources must exist because they provide

the purported basis for the expert’s testimony.

Experience from the Seventh Circuit over the last

sixteen years demonstrates that providing the data does

not delay or disrupt social security disability hearings.

And the agency’s own regulations recognize the benefits

of vocational experts having their sources available upon

request as a matter of good policy. If experts have no

sources then there is no basis for the ALJ to find that

their testimony constitutes substantial evidence. If they

do have sources, there is no legitimate basis to withhold

them.

* * *

This Court has recognized that “[t]he Social Security

hearing system is ‘probably the largest adjudicative

agency in the western world.’” See Heckler v. Campbell,

461 U.S. 458, 461 n.2 (1983). Requiring vocational

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experts to produce upon request the data underlying

their conclusions advances the “need for efficiency” in

this system while effectuating the requirement of

substantial evidence. Id. (internal citation omitted). The

rule is “understandable to the layman applicant,”

“efficient,” and “fundamentally fair.” Perales, 402 U.S.

at 401-02. And, most important, it is consistent with this

Court’s interpretation of the requirement that a finding

be supported by “substantial evidence” as required by

§ 405(g).

CONCLUSION

The judgment of the Sixth Circuit should be

reversed.

Respectfully submitted,

FREDERICK J. DALEY, JR.

ISHAN K. BHABHA

Counsel of Record

MEREDITH MARCUS

DALEY DISABILITY LAW, PC NATACHA Y. LAM

LAUREN J. HARTZ

601 W. Randolph Street,

JENNER & BLOCK LLP

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(202) 637-6327

IBhabha@jenner.com

August 27, 2018

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