F. J. A. P. v. Merrick B. Garland

In the

United States Court of Appeals

For the Seventh Circuit

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No. 21-2284

F.J.A.P.,

Petitioner,

v.

MERRICK GARLAND, Attorney

General of the United States,

Respondent.

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Petition for Review of a Decision of the

Board of Immigration Appeals.

No. A000-000-000

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ARGUED SEPTEMBER 7, 2023 — DECIDED FEBRUARY 27, 2024

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Before BRENNAN, ST. EVE, and JACKSON-AKIWUMI, Circuit

Judges.

ST. EVE, Circuit Judge. Thirteen years ago, F.J.A.P.1 was re-

moved from the United States. Upon his return to El Salvador,

1 We refer to the petitioner with an initialed pseudonym to protect his

identity. See Doe v. Gonzales, 484 F.3d 445, 446 (7th Cir. 2007).

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he endured months of petty extortion by the gang MS-13.

Then that extortion escalated. The gang demanded $2,000 by

the next day or they would kill F.J.A.P. and his family. F.J.A.P.

fled—first to a relative’s home nearby and then back to the

United States. It was not long before U.S. officials discovered

his presence and reinstated his original removal order.

F.J.A.P. then applied for withholding-only relief under the

Convention Against Torture, which an immigration judge

granted. The Board of Immigration Appeals reversed, and

F.J.A.P. petitions for review. Today we address whether a

court of appeals can review F.J.A.P.’s claim for relief.

I. Background2

F.J.A.P. first entered the United States from El Salvador in

2000. After he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and later vio-

lated parole, the Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”)

removed him to El Salvador in 2010.

F.J.A.P. remained in El Salvador for four years. While

there, he lived with his father in the village of Las Trancas and

drove to Universidad Gerardo Barrios in Usulutan to attend

college classes. He also worked as a taxi driver to earn extra

money.

Eventually, MS-13 began extorting F.J.A.P. for money

while he drove back and forth between Las Trancas and

Usulutan. To avoid trouble, he complied with their demands

2 Because several cases pending before this circuit present the same

jurisdictional issue, we circulated this opinion under Circuit Rule 40(e)

among all active circuit judges. A majority of judges did not wish to rehear

the case en banc. Chief Judge Sykes and Judges Easterbrook, Brennan, and

Kirsch voted in favor of rehearing en banc. Judge Kolar did not participate

in consideration of the rehearing question.

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for $20 a week. Then the trouble intensified. Two members of

the gang came to F.J.A.P.’s home, handed him a cell phone,

and told him someone wanted to speak with him. When

F.J.A.P. took the phone, the person on the line claimed to be

in prison and demanded $2,000 by the following day or the

gang would “kill you all.”

F.J.A.P. reported the demand and threat to the police in a

formal complaint and then went into hiding. He lived with a

relative thirty minutes away from Las Trancas, never leaving

the house, until returning to the United States.

Not long after he arrived for the second time in the United

States, F.J.A.P.’s cousin called to tell him that MS-13 was

“looking for both of [them].” Then, in 2015, F.J.A.P. learned

that the gang had murdered that same cousin in front of his

pregnant wife. F.J.A.P. believes his cousin was murdered be-

cause he refused to divulge F.J.A.P.’s location.

Eventually, law enforcement again detained F.J.A.P., and

DHS reinstated his order of removal on January 22, 2020. Af-

ter he expressed fear for his life if he returned to El Salvador,

F.J.A.P. was placed in withholding-only proceedings. At the

initial level of review, an asylum officer found that F.J.A.P.

did not have a reasonable fear of persecution or torture.

The immigration judge disagreed, determining that

F.J.A.P. had a credible claim he would be tortured if DHS re-

turned him to El Salvador. In granting F.J.A.P.’s application

for withholding under the Convention Against Torture

(CAT), the immigration judge reasoned that his testimony

was credible for its consistency and corroboration.

The immigration judge based his decision to grant CAT

relief on the following facts: F.J.A.P. had been called by a

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seemingly high-ranking member of MS-13, F.J.A.P.’s life was

threatened, and the gang’s demand was high—$2,000. The

opinion further relied on a 2019 Human Rights Report de-

scribing the violence and brutality of MS-13, its control of the

country and the roadways, and the government corruption in

El Salvador, making it unlikely that F.J.A.P. could avoid the

gang if he returned to the country. The immigration judge

also credited the fact that F.J.A.P. had reported the extortion

to the police and then fled, finding it likely that MS-13 would

retaliate against this behavior. In light of these facts, the im-

migration judge granted CAT relief on July 7, 2020.

The government appealed this decision to the Board of Im-

migration Appeals (“Board”). The Board reversed the immi-

gration judge’s decision to grant CAT relief in a brief, two-

page order, finding that the immigration judge’s decision was

“based on assumptions and a series of hypotheticals.” It

stated that the judge’s determination that F.J.A.P. was likely

to be tortured or killed was an unsupported prediction. Spe-

cifically, the Board found three clearly erroneous “hypothet-

ical suppositions.” First, the Board dismissed any finding re-

lated to the phone call F.J.A.P. received demanding $2,000,

reasoning that the record contained no evidence that the caller

actually was a high-ranking gang member. Second, the Board

concluded that there was insufficient evidence that the gang

had any interest in harming F.J.A.P. And third, the Board dis-

counted any personal threat F.J.A.P. might face because the

2019 Human Rights Report established only general corrup-

tion throughout El Salvador.

On this basis, the Board vacated the immigration judge’s

order granting relief and ordered F.J.A.P. removed to El Sal-

vador on June 14, 2021. F.J.A.P. petitioned the Seventh Circuit

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to review that decision on July 13, 2021. We issued a stay on

his removal until the resolution of that petition. While await-

ing a decision on this petition, F.J.A.P. requested that the

Board reopen proceedings due to ineffective assistance of

counsel. The Board denied that request and F.J.A.P. has sepa-

rately petitioned this court for review of that denial.

II. Analysis

F.J.A.P. challenges the Board’s reversal of CAT relief. He

argues that the Board misapplied clear error review and

lacked substantial evidence to support reversal.

In response, the government initially argued that we lack

jurisdiction because F.J.A.P.’s petition was untimely, coming

more than 30 days after the reinstatement of his removal or-

der. The government has since withdrawn that argument,

conceding that § 1252(b)(1)’s 30-day filing deadline began to

run at the conclusion of agency withholding proceedings.

In supplemental briefing shortly before oral argument, the

government also argued for the first time that § 1252(b)(1) is a

mandatory claims-processing rule, not a jurisdictional rule.

Stone v. INS explained that the predecessor statute to

§ 1252(b)(1) was jurisdictional. 514 U.S. 386, 405 (1995). Rely-

ing on Stone, our circuit precedent similarly holds that

§ 1252(b)(1)’s filing deadline is jurisdictional. Sankarapillai v.

Ashcroft, 330 F.3d 1004, 1005 (7th Cir. 2003); see also Chavarria-

Reyes v. Lynch, 845 F.3d 275, 277 (7th Cir. 2016). We are aware

that the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Santos-Zacaria v.

Garland called the jurisdictionality of § 1252(b)(1) into ques-

tion, but it did not directly overrule Stone. 143 S. Ct. 1103, 1113

(2023) (finding that § 1252(d)(1)’s exhaustion requirement is

nonjurisdictional). The government’s argument has merit. See

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Alonso-Juarez v. Garland, 80 F.4th 1039, 1046–47 (9th Cir. 2023)

(holding that § 1252(b)(1) is a nonjurisdictional claims-pro-

cessing rule); Argueta-Hernandez v. Garland, 87 F.4th 698, 705

(5th Cir. 2023) (same); see also Martinez v. Garland, 86 F.4th 561,

574 (4th Cir. 2023) (Floyd, J., concurring in the judgment) (not-

ing that Santos-Zacaria “strongly suggests” the 30-day dead-

line is a claims-processing rule). But see Salgado v. Garland,

69 F.4th 179, 181 & n.1 (4th Cir. 2023) (holding that § 1252’s

filing deadline is jurisdictional); see also Kolov v. Garland,

78 F.4th 911, 917 & n.4 (6th Cir. 2023) (citing Stone for the

proposition that the filing deadline is “mandatory and juris-

dictional” and declining to consider whether Santos-Zacaria

has called that holding into question). But until Stone is over-

turned by the Court itself, we must continue to apply it. Agos-

tini v. Felton, 521 U.S. 203, 237 (1997).

With that, we must independently assure ourselves of our

jurisdiction, which we review de novo. Villa v. Barr, 924 F.3d

370, 372 (7th Cir. 2019).

A. Jurisdiction

Under 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(1), we have jurisdiction to review

“final order[s] of removal.” When a reinstated order of re-

moval becomes “final” is crucial because, under 8 U.S.C.

§ 1252(b)(1), a “petition for review must be filed not later than

30 days after the date of the final order of removal.”

F.J.A.P. filed his petition with this court on July 13, 2021,

29 days after the agency concluded withholding proceedings

on June 14, 2021, but almost a year and a half after his order

of removal was reinstated in January 2020. So, if a reinstated

order of removal becomes final on the day issued, regardless

of placement in withholding proceedings, F.J.A.P. filed too

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late. But if a reinstated order of removal becomes final for pur-

poses of judicial review under § 1252 only after the conclusion

of withholding proceedings, as both parties now agree,

F.J.A.P. timely filed his petition for review.

1. Relevant Statutory and Regulatory Scheme

Before we can determine when the 30-day filing deadline

expired in F.J.A.P.’s case, we must review the relevant statu-

tory and regulatory provisions implicated in his petition.

a. Statutory History

Congress passed the Immigration and Nationality Act

(“INA”) in 1952 and repeatedly amended it in the decades

that followed. Four acts shaped the specific law governing

F.J.A.P.’s case, including two significant overhauls to the INA

in 1996: the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act

(“AEDPA”) and the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immi-

grant Responsibility Act (“IIRIRA”). AEDPA streamlined the

process for removing noncitizens convicted of certain crimes,

referred to as the criminal alien bar. 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(C).

At the same time, AEDPA defined “order of deportation” as

an agency decision “concluding that the alien is deportable or

ordering deportation.” Id. § 1101(a)(47)(A). That definition ex-

plains that orders of deportation “become final upon the ear-

lier of—(i) a determination by the Board of Immigration Ap-

peals affirming such order; or (ii) the expiration of the period

in which the alien is permitted to seek review of such order

by the Board of Immigration Appeals.” § 1101(a)(47)(B).

IIRIRA changed “deportation” and its variants to “re-

moval” throughout the INA, see, e.g., § 1252(a), although

AEDPA’s definition in § 1101(a)(47) retained the original “de-

portation” language. See Kolov, 78 F.4th at 923–24 (Murphy, J.,

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concurring). IIRIRA also streamlined the reinstatement pro-

cess for removing noncitizens already subject to orders of re-

moval who later reenter the country illegally. 8 U.S.C.

§ 1231(a)(5). Once DHS determines that a noncitizen has reen-

tered the country illegally, the prior order is reinstated and is

“not subject to being reopened or reviewed.” Id. Finally,

IIRIRA established direct review of a “final order of removal”

by a court of appeals, id. § 1252(a)–(b), and added a “zipper

clause,” unifying into one petition all challenges “arising from

any action taken or proceeding brought to remove an alien.”

Id. § 1252(b)(9). The Supreme Court recently explained that

these changes expedited judicial review “[b]y consolidating

the issues arising from a final order of removal, eliminating

review in the district courts, and supplying direct review in

the courts of appeals.” Nasrallah v. Barr, 140 S. Ct. 1683, 1690

(2020).

Two years after IIRIRA, the Foreign Affairs Reform and

Restructuring Act of 1998 (“FARRA”) implemented Article III

of the international Convention Against Torture. See id. As a

signatory, the United States agreed not to remove a noncitizen

to a particular country where that noncitizen demonstrates a

likelihood of torture in that country. The resulting decision

not to remove is referred to as CAT relief. FARRA imple-

mented that treaty obligation by “provid[ing] for judicial re-

view of CAT claims ‘as part of the review of a final order of

removal pursuant to section 242 of the [INA] (8 U.S.C. 1252).’”

Id. (quoting 112 Stat. 2681–822, note following § 1231).

Then, in 2005, the REAL ID Act further codified protec-

tions for those noncitizens who might face torture if returned

to a particular country. It added a specific provision that “a

petition for review filed with an appropriate court of appeals

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in accordance with this section shall be the sole and exclusive

means for judicial review of any cause or claim under the

United Nations Convention Against Torture.” 8 U.S.C.

§ 1252(a)(4); see also Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1693 (“[A]s a result

of the 2005 REAL ID Act, § 1252(a)(4) now provides for direct

review of CAT orders in the courts of appeals.”).

b. Statutory and Regulatory Impact on Proceedings

Read together, these four Acts prioritize efficient removal

on the one hand and judicial review on the other. This case

highlights the tension between those two priorities.

IIRIRA’s streamlining effect extends to any noncitizen

who, like F.J.A.P., has previously been ordered removed and

subsequently reenters the United States without permission.

§ 1231(a)(5). As part of that streamline, the noncitizen cannot

appeal within the agency, Torres-Tristan v. Holder, 656 F.3d

653, 655 & n.1 (7th Cir. 2011) (citing § 1231(a)(5)), or apply for

asylum, Cruz-Martinez v. Sessions, 885 F.3d 460, 463 (7th Cir.

2018). Judicial review of a reinstated order is limited to (1)

whether a prior order of removal exists, (2) whether the

noncitizen is the person previously ordered removed, and (3)

whether the noncitizen reentered the U.S. without permis-

sion. Villa, 924 F.3d at 373 (citing 8 C.F.R. § 241.8).

Despite limited review of reinstated removal orders, the

INA and FARRA ensure access to withholding-only relief if

the noncitizen fears persecution or torture. The INA’s imple-

menting regulation, 8 C.F.R. § 1208.31, outlines procedures

for relief for “any alien … whose … removal order is rein-

stated under [8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(5)] who, in the course of the

… reinstatement process, expresses a fear of returning to the

country of removal.” There are two paths to withholding-only

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relief: reasonable fear of persecution,3 and reasonable fear of

torture (or CAT relief).

For their part, the implementing regulations ensure that

when a noncitizen is ordered removed, if he expresses fear of

returning to the country of removal, he is referred to an asy-

lum officer for a reasonable fear screening interview. 8 C.F.R.

§ 1208.31(c)–(d). If the asylum officer finds a reasonable fear,

she refers the noncitizen to an immigration judge for with-

holding-only review, which is then reviewable by the Board.

Id. § 1208.31(e). If, however, the asylum officer finds no rea-

sonable fear, she still refers the noncitizen to an immigration

judge for reevaluation of reasonable fear. Id. § 1208.31(f). If

the immigration judge agrees with the asylum officer, that de-

cision concludes agency review of the noncitizen’s fear. Id.

§ 1208.31(g). But if the immigration judge disagrees and finds

a reasonable fear, the noncitizen will proceed to withholding

proceedings, reviewable by the Board. Id.

The REAL ID Act in turn makes these decisions reviewa-

ble by a court of appeals. § 1252(a)(4). Indeed, the Supreme

Court recently confirmed the availability of judicial review of

the agency’s CAT determinations in Nasrallah. 140 S. Ct. at

1690.

3 Withholding due to fear of persecution, or statutory withholding,

focuses on persecution due to certain protected characteristics. See

§ 1231(b)(3)(A); 8 C.F.R. § 1208.31(c). Courts often refer to both statutory

withholding and CAT relief generally as withholding-only relief. See Bhak-

tibhai-Patel v. Garland, 32 F.4th 180, 184 n.3 (2d Cir. 2022). Because F.J.A.P.

only petitions for review of the agency’s CAT determination, this opinion

uses either CAT or withholding to describe the proceedings.

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Coming full circle, IIRIRA’s zipper clause streamlines ju-

dicial review of agency determinations regarding removal or-

ders and relief. 8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)(9). Recall, however, that re-

instated orders of removal receive only minimal review, Villa,

924 F.3d at 373, and that a petitioner must file a petition for

review with the court of appeals “not later than 30 days after

the date of the final order of removal,” § 1252(b)(1).

2. Seventh Circuit Precedent

We have previously exercised jurisdiction over petitions

from the reinstatement of a removal order under § 1252, hold-

ing that a reinstatement order is an “order of removal.” See

Villa, 924 F.3d at 373 (citing Torres-Tristan, 656 F.3d at 656).

And along with the limited review of reinstatement orders de-

scribed above, we have reviewed associated withholding-

only orders. See Cruz-Martinez, 885 F.3d at 463; Almutairi v.

Holder, 722 F.3d 996, 1002 (7th Cir. 2013). Until now, we have

concluded, with minimal explanation, that § 1252(b)(1)’s 30-

day deadline ran from the conclusion of agency withholding

proceedings. See, e.g., Garcia-Arce v. Barr, 946 F.3d 371 (7th Cir.

2019) (exercising jurisdiction when the petition was filed

within 30 days of the Board’s withholding-only order, but

more than 30 days after reinstatement of the removal order).

Until recently, every other circuit agreed with that view. See

Garcia v. Sessions, 856 F.3d 27, 35 (1st Cir. 2017); Garcia-Villeda

v. Mukasey, 531 F.3d 141, 144 (2d Cir. 2008); Bonilla v. Sessions,

891 F.3d 87, 90 n.4 (3d Cir. 2018); Tomas-Ramos v. Garland, 24

F.4th 973, 980 n.3 (4th Cir. 2022); Luna-Garcia de Garcia v. Barr,

921 F.3d 559, 565 & n.4 (5th Cir. 2019); Martinez v. Larose, 968

F.3d 555, 563 (6th Cir. 2020); Lara-Nieto v. Barr, 945 F.3d 1054,

1058 (8th Cir. 2019); Ortiz-Alfaro v. Holder, 694 F.3d 955, 958

(9th Cir. 2012); Luna-Garcia v. Holder, 777 F.3d 1182, 1186 (10th

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Cir. 2015); Jimenez-Morales v. Att’y Gen., 821 F.3d 1307, 1308

(11th Cir. 2016).

3. Circuit Split

Two recent Supreme Court decisions, Nasrallah v. Barr, 140

S. Ct. 1683 (2020), and Johnson v. Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct.

2271 (2021), have caused some circuits to reconsider whether

they have jurisdiction to review CAT orders for removal rein-

statements where the petition for review is filed more than 30

days after the reinstatement of the removal order. Nasrallah

narrowed “final orders of removal” for purposes of the crim-

inal alien bar in § 1252(a)(2)(C), holding that a noncitizen sub-

ject to removal under this statute can still petition for review

of withholding proceedings even though he cannot challenge

the factual basis of his final order of removal. 140 S. Ct. at 1691.

One year later, in Guzman Chavez, the Court held that removal

orders are “administratively final” for purposes of pre-re-

moval detention even if withholding proceedings are ongo-

ing. 141 S. Ct. at 2285.

Relying on these decisions, the Second and Fourth Circuits

have broken from their precedent to hold that § 1252(b)(1)’s

30-day statute of limitations begins to run upon reinstatement

of a removal order, regardless of whether DHS subsequently

places the noncitizen in withholding proceedings. See Bhak-

tibhai-Patel v. Garland, 32 F.4th 180 (2d Cir. 2022); Martinez v.

Garland, 86 F.4th 561 (4th Cir. 2023).4

4 In two cases before the Second Circuit, the panel has ordered briefing

on whether Santos-Zacaria v. Garland, 143 S. Ct. 1103 (2023), calls into ques-

tion the Second Circuit’s holding in Bhaktibhai-Patel, 32 F.4th at 190–91. See

Order at 2, Cerrato-Barahona v. Garland, No. 22-6349 (2d Cir. July 12, 2023);

Order at 2, Castejon-Paz v. Garland, No. 22-6024 (2d Cir. July 12, 2023).

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The Second Circuit concluded that “[d]ecisions made dur-

ing withholding-only proceedings cannot qualify as orders of

removal” and withholding orders are therefore not final or-

ders of removal for purposes of § 1252(b)(1). Bhaktibhai-Patel,

32 F.4th at 190–91. Instead, “a reinstatement decision becomes

final once the agency’s review process is complete,” at which

time the 30-day filing window begins to run. Id. at 192–93.

Though noting that AEDPA’s definition of when an order of

deportation becomes final in § 1101(a)(47)(B) “does not

squarely apply” to reinstatement decisions, the panel never-

theless concluded that the intent behind the definition was to

“tie[] finality to the final stage of agency review” and meant

the same thing as “administratively final” in § 1231(a)(1)(B)

and defined in Guzman Chavez. Id. at 192–94.

The Fourth Circuit relied upon circuit precedent to reach

the same conclusion. The circuit had previously considered

§ 1101(a)(47)(B) to mean that orders not subject to agency re-

view, such as reinstated orders of removal, become “final or-

ders” for purposes of judicial review at the last available stage

of agency review. Martinez, 86 F.4th at 568 (citing Tomas-Ra-

mos v. Garland, 24 F.4th 973, 980 n.3 (4th Cir. 2022)). The court

went on to conclude that Guzman Chavez v. Hott, 940 F.3d 867,

881 (4th Cir. 2019), rev’d on other grounds sub nom. Johnson v.

Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2271, which held that § 1231 and

§ 1252(b)(1) finality are equivalent, dictated that § 1252(b)(1)

finality, like § 1231 finality, “also cannot depend on withhold-

ing-only proceedings.” Martinez, 86 F.4th at 569.

In contrast, the Fifth, Sixth, Ninth, and Tenth Circuits have

recently held that reinstated orders of removal become final

for purposes of judicial review upon the conclusion of CAT

proceedings. Argueta-Hernandez, 87 F.4th at 705–06; Kolov, 78

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F.4th at 919; Alonso-Juarez, 80 F.4th at 1056; Arostegui-Maldo-

nado v. Garland, 75 F.4th 1132 (10th Cir. 2023).5 The Fifth Cir-

cuit reasoned that a contrary conclusion would force nonciti-

zens to file premature petitions and “have disastrous conse-

quences on the immigration and judicial systems.” Argueta-

Hernandez, 87 F.4th at 706.6 Each panel distinguished Guzman

Chavez’s definition of final based on context: finality for pur-

poses of detention is not finality for purposes of judicial re-

view. Id.; Kolov, 78 F.4th at 919; Alonso-Juarez, 80 F.4th at 1050;

Arostegui-Maldonado, 75 F.4th at 1143. The Supreme Court it-

self explicitly identified this distinction and limited its inter-

pretation of administrative finality to § 1231. Guzman Chavez,

141 S. Ct. at 2285 n.6. Both the Ninth and Tenth Circuits also

pointed out that Nasrallah preserved CAT review. Alonso-Jua-

rez, 80 F.4th at 1050 (“[T]he Court reached this conclusion

largely to avoid precluding judicial review where Congress

had not explicitly precluded such review.”); Arostegui-

5 The Third Circuit, in two unpublished opinions, has concluded both

that § 1252(b)(1)’s filing deadline runs from the date the removal order is

final even when withholding-only proceedings are pending, Farooq v. Att’y

Gen., No. 20-2950, 2023 WL 1813597 (3d Cir. Feb. 8, 2023), and that the fil-

ing deadline begins to run only when withholding-only proceedings are

final, if applicable, Duenas v. Att’y. Gen., No. 22-3024, 2023 WL 6442601 (3d

Cir. Oct. 3, 2023).

6 Earlier in 2023, the Fifth Circuit held that § 1252(b)(1)’s 30-day filing

deadline begins to run upon reinstatement of a removal order, regardless

of whether DHS subsequently places the noncitizen in withholding pro-

ceedings. Argueta-Hernandez v. Garland, 73 F.4th 300 (5th Cir. 2023), with-

drawn and superseded on reh’g, 87 F.4th 698 (5th Cir. 2023). A few months

later, the same Fifth Circuit panel withdrew the first opinion and replaced

it with a new one, this time holding that the 30 days begins to run at the

conclusion of withholding proceedings.

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Maldonado, 75 F.4th at 1142–43. Ultimately, each of these cir-

cuits found that their own circuit precedent preserved judicial

review and neither Nasrallah nor Guzman Chavez clearly inval-

idated that precedent. Argueta-Hernandez, 87 F.4th at 706; Ko-

lov, 78 F.4th at 919; Alonso-Juarez, 80 F.4th at 1050–51; Aro-

stegui-Maldonado, 75 F.4th at 1143.

4. Statutory Analysis

Because of this circuit split, we ask whether Nasrallah and

Guzman Chavez define “final” for purposes of judicial review

in § 1252(b)(1). Concluding that they do not, we turn to the

text of § 1252 for guidance on the meaning of finality to deter-

mine if we should reassess our existing precedent, which

holds that the 30-day deadline runs from the completion of

withholding-only proceedings.

a. Supreme Court Decisions

Nasrallah preserved withholding-only review for nonciti-

zens subject to removal under the criminal alien bar by nar-

rowing the meaning of “final orders of removal” under

§ 1252(a)(2)(C). Generally, the criminal alien bar prevents

noncitizens who have committed certain crimes from obtain-

ing judicial review of factual challenges to their “final orders

of removal” (although they may still bring constitutional and

legal challenges to those orders). Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1687–

88. Nasrallah addressed whether this bar also restricts factual

challenges to agency decisions regarding CAT relief. The Su-

preme Court held that it did not, reasoning that the statute

precluded factual challenges to “final order[s] of removal,”

but “[a] CAT order is not itself a final order of removal be-

cause it is not an order ‘concluding that the alien is deportable

or ordering deportation.’” Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1691

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(quoting § 1101(a)(47)(A)). The Court further held that for

purposes of this statutory bar, “final orders of removal en-

compass only the rulings made by the immigration judge or

Board of Immigration Appeals that affect the validity of the

final order of removal.” Id. DHS’s determinations in CAT pro-

ceedings do not impact the validity of the final order of re-

moval, so those determinations “do[] not merge into the final

order of removal for purposes of §§ 1252(a)(2)(C)–(D)’s limi-

tation on the scope of judicial review.” Id. at 1692.

Because Congress did not explicitly foreclose judicial re-

view of CAT orders, the Court would not interpret the statute

to do so implicitly. Id. In fact, Nasrallah very clearly grounds

its division between orders of removal and CAT orders on

Congress’s explicit intent in § 1252(a)(4) that CAT orders be

subject to judicial review. 140 S. Ct. at 1693. Nasrallah even

warned lower courts against interpreting its decision as limit-

ing judicial review of withholding relief. Id. (“In short, our de-

cision does not affect the authority of the courts of appeals to

review CAT orders.”). And by pointing out Congress’s intent

that CAT claims be “part of the review of a final order of re-

moval,” id. at 1690 (quoting 112 Stat. 2681–822), Nasrallah con-

templates that CAT review be one component of the review of

a final order of removal, even if the order of removal itself is

distinct, leaving open the possibility that, when that compo-

nent is incomplete, the entire order is not final for purposes of

judicial review.

In Guzman Chavez, the Supreme Court held that, for

noncitizens in withholding proceedings, like F.J.A.P., a rein-

statement order becomes “administratively final” immedi-

ately upon reinstatement. 141 S. Ct. at 2285. Specifically, the

Court found that noncitizens, subject to reinstatement but

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awaiting withholding-only decisions, had been “ordered re-

moved” within the meaning of 8 U.S.C. § 1231 and therefore

could be detained. Id. at 2284–85. For purposes of that deten-

tion, the removal period begins when a reinstatement order

becomes administratively final for two reasons. First, Con-

gress explicitly used “administratively final” in the text of the

statute. § 1231(a)(1)(B). “By using the word ‘administra-

tively,’” the Court explained, “Congress focused our attention

on the agency’s review proceedings, separate and apart from

any judicial review proceedings that may occur in a court.”

Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2284.

Second, Guzman Chavez further emphasized that pending

decisions in noncitizens’ withholding proceedings do not

make their removal orders any less “administratively final.”

Id. at 2285. In other words, reasonable fear proceedings do not

impact the validity of the underlying removal order. Those

proceedings may dictate “where an alien may be removed. It

says nothing, however, about the antecedent question whether

an alien is to be removed.” Id. at 2286. It is that antecedent

question—not the details of removal—that makes an order

“administratively final” and justifies detention.

The definition of administrative finality for purposes of

§ 1231 cannot be imported into the definition of final in

§ 1252(b)(1), for several reasons. Guzman Chavez dealt with de-

tention of immigrants under § 1231 and 8 U.S.C. § 1226, not

judicial review in § 1252. In fact, the Supreme Court specifi-

cally noted that its decision in Guzman Chavez did not take a

position on the correct interpretation of “final[ity]” under

§ 1252. 141 S. Ct. at 2285 n.6 (declining to interpret “final order

of removal” as used in § 1252(b)(1) because it “uses different

language than § 1231 and relates to judicial review of removal

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orders rather than detention”).7 Importing the meaning of

“administratively final” into § 1252(b)(1) ignores the context

of the Supreme Court’s ruling in Guzman Chavez and dis-

misses Congress’s explicit language.

The Court itself highlighted contextual differences by ex-

plicitly limiting its holding to the context of detention, distin-

guishing it from the use of “final order of removal” in

§ 1252(b)(1). It insisted on expressing no view regarding the

meaning of that phrase in § 1252 for two textual reasons: First,

the language of the two provisions is different; § 1231 uses

“administratively final,” while § 1252 uses “final order of re-

moval.” And second, § 1252 “relates to judicial review of re-

moval orders rather than detention.” Guzman Chavez, 141 S.

Ct. at 2285 n.6.

The difference in language used by Congress is significant.

Equating finality in § 1231 with § 1252(b)(1) renders “admin-

istratively” superfluous. See City of Chicago v. Barr, 961 F.3d

882, 898–99 (7th Cir. 2020) (“It is a cardinal principle of statu-

tory construction that a statute ought, upon the whole, to be

so construed that, if it can be prevented, no clause, sentence,

or word shall be superfluous, void, or insignificant.” (cleaned

7 The dissent interprets Guzman Chavez’s footnote 6 to leave unre-

solved only whether a reinstated order of removal is a final order of re-

moval for purposes of judicial review. See infra at 17–20. But the Court’s

citation to Guzman Chavez’s brief includes page 26, which exclusively ar-

gues that reinstated orders of removal become final upon the completion

of withholding proceedings and cites circuit court decisions holding just

that. 141 S. Ct. at 2285 n.6 (citing Resp. Br. at 24–26 & n.8). If the Court

were not leaving open the question of when a reinstatement order be-

comes final for purposes of judicial review under § 1252, there would be

no need to cite page 26 of Guzman Chavez’s brief.

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up) (quoting TRW Inc. v. Andrews, 534 U.S. 19, 31 (2001))). This

principle guides Guzman Chavez’s rejection of definitional

similarity between § 1252 and § 1231 and it also guides us.

The Court’s opinion in Guzman Chavez made clear the role

the word “administratively” played in § 1231: “By using the

word ‘administratively,’ Congress focused our attention on

the agency’s review proceedings, separate and apart from any

judicial review proceedings that may occur in a court.” Guz-

man Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2284. In other words, for the purpose

of § 1231, the Court contrasted administrative finality—being

finished with agency review—with ordinary finality—being

finished with judicial review. See also Final, Black’s Law Dic-

tionary (11th ed. 2019) (defining final as “not requiring any

further judicial action by the court that rendered judgment to

determine the matter litigated”). But importing that definition

of finality into § 1252 would put petitioners in an impossible

bind when seeking judicial review because § 1252 prohibits

judicial review of an order of removal until it is “final.”

§ 1252(a)(1). So concluding that § 1252’s “final” is controlled

by § 1231’s definitions of “administratively final” and “final”

creates a paradox. Under § 1252 an order is not reviewable in

court until it is “final,” but under § 1231 an order is not “final”

until it has been reviewed in court. In context, allowing Guz-

man Chavez to control our interpretation of finality in § 1252

leads to incoherent results.

For these reasons, we find that neither Nasrallah nor Guz-

man Chavez dictate that reinstated orders of removal become

final for purposes of § 1252(b)(1) judicial review at reinstate-

ment.

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b. Statutory Text

Our precedent treats reinstated orders of removal as final

orders of removal for purposes of judicial review under

§ 1252(a) and (b). See Villa, 924 F.3d at 373; Lemos v. Holder, 636

F.3d 365, 366 (7th Cir. 2011) (citing Gomez-Chavez v. Perryman,

308 F.3d 796, 801 (7th Cir. 2002)).

Even before Nasrallah, this circuit held that CAT orders are

separate from orders of removal and therefore cannot them-

selves be considered final orders of removal. Wanjiru v. Holder,

705 F.3d 258, 264 (7th Cir. 2013) (distinguishing between “fi-

nal orders of removal” for purposes of the criminal alien bar

and finality for purposes of judicial review in § 1252(a) and

(b)). Nasrallah later confirmed this position. 140 S. Ct. at 1691.

Furthermore, we have previously held that a petition filed

within 30 days of the completion of withholding proceedings

is timely. Eke v. Mukasey, 512 F.3d 372, 377–78 (7th Cir. 2008).

To assure ourselves that we have jurisdiction, we revisit that

holding.

When Congress provides an explicit definition of a statu-

tory term, that definition controls. See Tanzin v. Tanvir, 141 S.

Ct. 486, 490 (2020). Yet the INA’s definition of “final” offers

little help when considering a petition from a reinstated order

of removal. Section 1101(a)(47)(B), again, ties finality to re-

view by the Board of Immigration Appeals. This definition

only contemplates orders subject to review by the Board and

is therefore inapposite. Accord Ortiz-Alfaro, 694 F.3d at 958;

Luna-Garcia, 777 F.3d at 1185. Nor does Guzman Chavez’s def-

inition of “final” in § 1231 apply to § 1252(b)(1), as explained

above.

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Because neither § 1101 nor § 1231 determine when a rein-

stated order of removal is final for purposes of judicial review

under § 1252, we take a fresh look at the statute, relying on

common tools of statutory interpretation, including the ordi-

nary understanding of the word, context, and statutory struc-

ture. United States v. Melvin, 948 F.3d 848, 851 (7th Cir. 2020).

In doing so, we keep in mind the “strong presumption favor-

ing judicial review of administrative action.” Salinas v. U.S.

R.R. Ret. Bd., 141 S. Ct. 691, 698 (2021) (quoting Mach Mining,

LLC v. EEOC, 575 U.S. 480, 486 (2015)).

Plain meaning. We interpret statutory language according

to “ordinary, contemporary, common meaning,” unless Con-

gress has explicitly dictated another interpretation. Melvin,

948 F.3d at 852 (quoting Sandifer v. U.S. Steel Corp., 571 U.S.

220, 227 (2014)). The Oxford English Dictionary (2d ed. 1989)

offers two relevant definitions of “final”: 1) “marking the last

stage of a process; leaving nothing to be looked for or expected;

ultimate;” and 2) “putting an end to something …; putting an

end to strife or uncertainty; not to be undone, altered, or re-

voked; conclusive.” (emphasis added). Similarly, the Su-

preme Court recently relied on contemporary popular dic-

tionaries to explain the meaning of “final decision” in the con-

text of judicial review of Social Security Administration deter-

minations, concluding that “the phrase ‘final decision’ clearly

denotes some kind of terminal event.” Smith v. Berryhill, 139

S. Ct. 1765, 1774 & n.8 (2019); see also Waetzig v. Halliburton En-

ergy Servs., Inc., 82 F.4th 918, 923 n.5 (10th Cir. 2023) (compar-

ing the legal definition of “final” with the definition in Web-

ster’s New International Dictionary of the English Language).

In the context of a reinstated order of removal, while the

order itself may be unreviewable and so “ultimate,” a CAT

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order nonetheless alters and provides additional certainty for

that reinstated order. See Ortiz-Alfaro, 694 F.3d at 959. In fact,

although a CAT order does not determine whether a nonciti-

zen can be removed, it does determine where that noncitizen

can be sent. The indeterminacy of where, while CAT proceed-

ings are pending, suggests that the reinstated order might yet

leave something “to be looked for or expected,” subject to

possible alteration. Consequently, the plain meaning of “fi-

nal” points us toward the conclusion that a reinstatement or-

der does not become final for purposes of judicial review until

the agency has also concluded withholding proceedings.

This understanding of finality aligns with our previous

decisions to exercise jurisdiction over a noncitizen’s petition

after the agency concluded withholding proceedings. In Eke,

we held that “the immigration authorities were not finished

with Eke’s case until the [Board]’s final decision” in withhold-

ing proceedings. 512 F.3d at 377–78. The final decision in Eke’s

withholding proceedings reflected that the agency was fin-

ished, at which time we had jurisdiction over the removal and

withholding order. Id.

The plain meaning of “final” also tracks legal understand-

ing. Black’s Law Dictionary defines final as “last; conclusive;

definitive; terminated; completed;” and in reference to legal

actions, “a judgment is ‘final’ if no further judicial action … is

required” (6th ed. 1990). But a reinstatement order does re-

quire further agency action when a noncitizen enters with-

holding proceedings. Although the noncitizen has been deter-

mined deportable, the agency’s work is not completed, and it

may not remove the noncitizen until agency withholding re-

view is complete. See 8 C.F.R. § 1208.5(a) (explaining that a

noncitizen cannot be removed “before a decision is rendered

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on his or her … application”).8 As the Supreme Court made

clear in Nasrallah, the noncitizen “may be removed at any time

to another country where he or she is not likely to be tortured”

after an order granting CAT relief has been issued. 140 S. Ct.

at 1691 (quoting 8 C.F.R. § 1208.17(b)(2)); see also 8 C.F.R.

§ 1208.17(b)(2) (“The immigration judge shall also inform the

alien that removal has been deferred only to the country in

which it has been determined that the alien is likely to be tor-

tured, and that the alien may be removed at any time to an-

other country where he or she is not likely to be tortured.”

(emphasis added)). Even after a reinstated order of removal is

administratively final, the noncitizen placed in withholding

proceedings may not be removed “until the reasonable fear

and withholding of removal proceedings are complete.”

Luna-Garcia, 777 F.3d at 1183. The agency must yet determine

the range of possible locations to which the noncitizen can be

deported—in other words, “further … action” delays finality.

Final agency action for purposes of judicial review must

“‘mark the consummation of the agency’s decisionmaking

process,’ and it must determine ‘rights or obligations’ or oc-

casion ‘legal consequences.’” Id. at 1185 (quoting Bennett v.

Spear, 520 U.S. 154, 178 (1997)). Only when withholding pro-

ceedings are complete have “the rights, obligations, and legal

consequences of the reinstated removal order” been fully es-

tablished. Id.

8 8 C.F.R. § 1208.5(a) uses the term “asylum applications.” 8 C.F.R.

§ 1208.1(a)(1) explains that applications for asylum and withholding relief

are referred to collectively throughout the Regulation as “asylum applica-

tions.”

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Presumption of review. The plain meaning of the statute

comports with the principle of statutory construction that pre-

sumes congressional intent in favor of judicial review. Smith,

139 S. Ct. at 1776 (citing Bowen v. Mich. Acad. of Family Physi-

cians, 476 U.S. 667, 670 (1986)). This strong presumption ap-

plies equally to the reviewability of immigration statutes.

Guerrero-Lasprilla v. Barr, 140 S. Ct. 1062, 1069–70 (2020) (citing

Kucana v. Holder, 558 U.S. 233, 251 (2010)). The presumption is

not irrebuttable, but that burden of rebuttal is “heavy.” Mach

Mining, LLC, 575 U.S. at 486.

To overcome that burden, the statute’s language or struc-

ture must indicate a clear intent by Congress to foreclose ju-

dicial review. Smith, 139 S. Ct. at 1776–77. Discretionary deci-

sions left to the agency, for example, may not be subject to

judicial review unless a petitioner raises a constitutional claim

or question of law. §§ 1252(a)(2)(B)–(C); see Kucana, 558 U.S. at

248.

Congress, however, explicitly provided for judicial review

of CAT orders. As Nasrallah explained, § 2242(d) of FARRA

granted jurisdiction to review CAT claims along with removal

orders. 140 S. Ct. at 1693. Both the 2005 REAL ID Act and

§ 1252(a)(4) of the INA further solidified courts of appeals’ au-

thority to review CAT orders. Id.

Furthermore, our interpretation honors Congress’s

streamlined process created by IIRIRA and AEDPA. Section

1252(b)(9)’s zipper clause consolidates our review of with-

holding proceedings with our review of final orders of re-

moval; it does not limit that review. Later congressional ac-

tions, particularly the addition of § 1252(a)(4), confirm that

Congress did not intend to foreclose judicial review of CAT

orders. It wanted efficient review.

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Because of these clear indications from Congress, we

choose a reasonable interpretation of § 1252(b)(1) that com-

ports with both the preservation of review and a streamlined

review process. Other interpretive paths violate one or both

of these principles by foreclosing review of CAT orders re-

lated to reinstated removal orders altogether, or by establish-

ing an inefficient process in which petitions must be filed

prematurely.

An interpretation that forecloses review of CAT orders

cannot stand; it directly contradicts the presumption of re-

view, a presumption supported by the language of the INA.

The dissent claims to comply with the presumption of review-

ability because Congress explicitly foreclosed review of rein-

stated orders of removal. See infra at 20. But its interpretation

forecloses review of withholding orders as well, despite the

lack of clear congressional intent to do so. Our decision re-

garding when an order of removal becomes final will deter-

mine what can be reviewed. If a petition for review of a CAT

order associated with a reinstated removal order must be filed

within 30 days of that reinstatement, review of most—if not

all—CAT orders will be foreclosed. See Martinez, 86 F.4th at

574 (Floyd, J., concurring) (noting that “withholding and CAT

proceedings often take months or even years to conclude”).

But Congress has not explicitly foreclosed the review of with-

holding decisions associated with those reinstated orders. In

fact, the Supreme Court has stated that although § 1231(a)(5)

“‘generally foreclose[es] discretionary relief from the terms of

the reinstated order,’” the statute “does not, however, pre-

clude an alien from pursuing withholding-only relief to pre-

vent DHS from executing his removal to the particular coun-

try designated in his reinstated removal order.” Guzman

Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2282 (quoting Fernandez-Vargas v.

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Gonzales, 548 U.S. 30, 35 (2006)); see also Fernandez-Vargas, 548

U.S. at 35 n.4.

Inefficient review is similarly incompatible with the ex-

plicit provisions of the INA’s zipper clause, intended to

streamline judicial review. Preserving review of CAT claims

in cases of reinstated removal orders would require nonciti-

zens to file premature and incomplete petitions seeking re-

view of not-yet-complete withholding proceedings in order to

meet § 1252(b)(1)’s 30-day filing deadline. This path does not

just contravene the purpose of the zipper clause; it contradicts

Article III jurisdiction. Principles of justiciability and jurisdic-

tion tell us that unripe claims that may later be mooted are

dismissed. See McDonough v. Smith, 139 S. Ct. 2149, 2158–59

(2019) (noting the possibility of workarounds to filing dead-

lines, including stays and ad hoc abstentions, but declining to

adopt such a requirement because, like previous cases de-

cided by the Court, such a “scheme requiring ‘conscientious

defense attorneys’ to file unripe suits ‘would add to the bur-

den imposed on courts, applicants, and the States, with no

clear advantage to any’” (quoting Panetti v. Quarterman, 551

U.S. 930, 943 (2007))). Congress has not given explicit instruc-

tions contradicting these principles and creating a novel pro-

cedural system of judicial review for petitions from the Board.

Consequently, we choose “another reasonable interpretation”

of § 1252(b)(1), one that consolidates review and “does not

produce these distortions and inefficiencies.” Panetti, 551 U.S.

at 943; see also Argueta-Hernandez, 87 F.4th at 706.

Consolidating orders of removal with CAT orders for

streamlined review is consistent with the approach we have

previously taken when presented with petitions pending the

completion of withholding proceedings. Rather than stay our

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review, we have dismissed those petitions as unripe, instruct-

ing petitioners to file a new petition when all reviewable

agency proceedings are complete. See Order Granting Motion

to Dismiss, Delgado-Arteaga v. Lynch, No. 15-1810 (7th Cir.

Aug. 7, 2015) (granting a motion to dismiss because the peti-

tioner remained in withholding-only proceedings and there-

fore the “removal order is not final for purposes of this court’s

review”). But see Viracacha v. Mukasey, 518 F.3d 511, 513 (7th

Cir. 2008) (finding that ongoing agency proceedings do not

render a removal order nonfinal so long as the ongoing pro-

ceedings are wholly within the discretion of the agency and

thus not reviewable by the court of appeals).

Other circuits have similarly interpreted judicial review

provisions in § 1252 to require a consolidated, streamlined re-

view process, concluding that incomplete agency withhold-

ing proceedings prevent an order of removal from being final

for purposes of judicial review. See Abdisalan v. Holder, 774

F.3d 517, 526 (9th Cir. 2014) (en banc) (holding that in mixed

decisions in which the Board affirms some decisions by the

immigration judge but remands others for further considera-

tion, “no final order of removal exists until all administrative

proceedings have concluded”);9 see also Luna-Garcia, 777 F.3d

at 1186 (collecting cases affirming that “pending applications

for relief render an order of removal nonfinal”); cf. Kouambo v.

Barr, 943 F.3d 205, 214 (4th Cir. 2019) (collecting cases holding

“that when the [Board] remands a case to the [immigration

9 Although premature petitions pending at the time the Ninth Circuit

decided Abdisalan were permitted to automatically ripen upon finality, the

court dismissed any unripe petitions filed after that decision. 774 F.3d at

527.

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judge] for background checks [in the process of granting with-

holding-only relief], its decision is not a final order of removal

for purposes of judicial review” until background checks are

complete).

It would be easy enough for Congress to limit judicial re-

view of CAT orders, just as Congress has limited judicial re-

view of reinstated orders of removal to a narrow set of ques-

tions. But Congress has not done so. Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at

1692. Instead, it has preserved access to appellate review

through a streamlined process. Therefore, we adopt the stat-

utory interpretation preserving judicial review of administra-

tive action in the streamlined fashion that the zipper clause

requires. Kucana, 558 U.S. at 237; see also Alonso-Juarez, 80 F.4th

at 1053.10

The Supreme Court’s decision in Santos-Zacaria bolsters

our interpretation. Although Santos-Zacaria dealt with a dif-

ferent provision of the INA, the Court’s failure to even

10 Kucana also counsels against a statutory interpretation that would

“place in executive hands authority to remove cases from the Judiciary’s

domain.” 558 U.S. at 237. If we were to interpret § 1252(b)(1)’s filing dead-

line to begin running at the reinstatement of a removal order, we could

also be giving the agency unilateral power to preclude or at least hinder

judicial review of CAT claims in almost all cases. See Kolov, 78 F.4th at 927–

28 (Murphy, J., concurring). For example, the agency may separate re-

moval decisions from withholding decisions, as it sometimes does, by af-

firming removal on appeal to the Board but remanding to the immigration

judge for another hearing on withholding-related relief. Id. In such a case,

the remand order might amount to a final order of removal for purposes

of § 1252(b)(1) just like a reinstatement decision, despite the ongoing CAT

and withholding proceedings, which almost always take more than 30

days. Id. We hesitate before finding that Congress vested the executive

branch with the authority to shape the scope of our review so drastically.

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mention § 1252(b)(1)’s filing deadline when discussing its ju-

risdiction is suggestive. 143 S. Ct. at 1111–12. There, after DHS

reinstated Santos-Zacaria’s removal order, she filed a petition

for review in the Fifth Circuit more than 30 days after the re-

instatement of that order but within 30 days of the conclusion

of withholding proceedings. Respondent’s Br. at 1–3, Santos-

Zacaria v. Barr, No. 19-60355, (5th Cir. Aug. 29, 2019). When

deciding Santos-Zacaria, the Supreme Court never raised the

issue of jurisdiction as it must if there is a jurisdictional prob-

lem. While the Court’s failure to address this deadline and

when precisely the 30-day filing deadline begins to run is not

dispositive, it does support our conclusion to similarly exer-

cise jurisdiction.

Based on the statutory language, structure, and context of

§ 1252, we conclude that a reinstated order of removal is not

final for purposes of judicial review until the agency has com-

pleted withholding proceedings. Only when those proceed-

ings conclude, if the noncitizen is eligible for that review, has

the agency finalized all mandatory review and “fully deter-

mined” the noncitizen’s fate. Arostegui-Maldonado, 75 F.4th at

1140 (quoting Luna-Garcia, 777 F.3d at 1185). A contrary con-

clusion would contravene the express intent of Congress. Our

own circuit’s precedent is consistent with this interpretation,

having long treated reinstated orders of removal as final once

withholding proceedings are complete. We see no reason to

upset that precedent.

Because F.J.A.P. filed his petition within 30 days of the

completion of his CAT proceedings, we have jurisdiction to

hear his petition and proceed to the merits.

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B. Board of Immigration Appeals Review

F.J.A.P. petitions for review of the determination by the

Board of Immigration Appeals that the immigration judge

erred by granting CAT relief. He argues that the Board mis-

applied the clear error standard by which it reviews determi-

nations of the immigration judge, 8 C.F.R. § 1003.1(d)(3)(i),

and that even if the Board applied the correct standard, it

should be reversed because it lacked substantial evidence.

The Board must review the immigration judge’s factual

findings “only for clear error, not de novo.” Estrada-Martinez v.

Lynch, 809 F.3d 886, 889 (7th Cir. 2015) (citing 8 C.F.R.

§ 1003.1(d)(3)(i) and Matter of Z–Z–O–, 26 I. & N. Dec. 586, 590

(BIA 2015)). Whether the Board properly applied that stand-

ard is a legal question, and we review de novo. Id. at 894.

Clear error review is a “highly deferential” standard.

Goodpaster v. City of Indianapolis, 736 F.3d 1060, 1070 (7th Cir.

2013). The Board may not reweigh evidence; instead, it “must

find that, on balance, the weight of the evidence so strongly

militates against the immigration judge’s finding that the

Board is left with the definite and firm conviction that a mis-

take has been committed.” Estrada-Martinez, 809 F.3d at 894–

95 (cleaned up). To be clearly erroneous, a factfinder’s conclu-

sions must be “‘illogical or implausible’ or lack ‘support in in-

ferences that may be drawn from the facts in the record.’” Id.

at 895 (quoting Anderson v. Bessemer City, 470 U.S. 564, 577

(1985)). When those conclusions are based “on a decision to

credit a witness’s testimony, that finding ‘can virtually never

be clear error’ as long as the testimony is ‘coherent and fa-

cially plausible,’ ‘not internally inconsistent,’ and ‘not contra-

dicted by extrinsic evidence.’” Id. (quoting Anderson, 470 U.S.

at 575).

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We consider three factors to determine when, although

purporting to apply clear error, the Board actually reviews de

novo: “[A] Board decision that does not address the immigra-

tion judgeʹs key factual findings, gives more weight to certain

facts in the record than others, or fails to explain how the im-

migration judge’s alleged errors showed a lack of logic, plau-

sibility, or support in the record suggests the use of a standard

of review less deferential than clear error.” Brito v. Garland, 40

F.4th 548, 553 (7th Cir. 2022) (cleaned up) (citing Soto-Soto v.

Garland, 1 F.4th 655, 659–60 (9th Cir. 2021)).

Acknowledging the proper standard of review, the Board

stated that its conclusion was based on clear error review. But

“merely parroting the proper standard of review does not im-

munize the Board’s decision.” Brito, 40 F.4th at 552. Instead,

we look to the analysis to determine whether any factors exist

that suggest it conducted de novo rather than clear error re-

view.

In this case, each of those risk factors is present. Recall that

the Board reversed the immigration judge’s determination be-

cause it was based on “assumptions and a series of hypothet-

icals,” in three ways: (1) The record did not support the infer-

ence that the man who called F.J.A.P. to demand $2,000 was a

“high-ranking gang member.” (2) There was insufficient evi-

dence that the gang was interested in harming F.J.A.P. be-

cause they had not contacted him since he left El Salvador. (3)

There was insufficient evidence that reporting the extortion to

the police would put F.J.A.P. personally at risk of harm.

Failure to address key factual findings. The Board’s first con-

clusion, that there was no evidence in the record to support

the conclusion that F.J.A.P. was threatened by a high-ranking

gang member, failed to address all factual findings. On its

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own, “a determination that the evidence does not support the

immigration judge’s conclusion does not necessarily establish

that the Board improperly weighed the evidence.” Brito, 40

F.4th at 553. Here, the Board did not just declare an absence

of evidence; it actively ignored the evidence relied upon by

the immigration judge.

Dismissing the immigration judge’s finding that F.J.A.P.

was threatened by a high-ranking gang member, the Board

explained, “Although the applicant points to information

from the Department of State’s country report from 2019 ref-

erencing the smuggling of cell phones into the prisons where

gang members are housed, the record does not contain evi-

dence reflecting that the caller was a high-level gang mem-

ber.” If the country report were the only evidence to support

the immigration judge’s finding, this would certainly be per-

missible clear error review, showing that the immigration

judge had made unsupported inferences. But the immigration

judge credited F.J.A.P.’s consistent and corroborated testi-

mony of his personal experiences. The country report pro-

vides a backdrop to significant testimonial evidence. The rec-

ord reflects that the gang members F.J.A.P. saw daily had

been extorting him for $20 weekly; that two of those same

gang members came to his home with a cell phone; that the

man on the other end of the cell phone purported to be in jail;

that the man on the other end of the phone demanded $2,000

on behalf of the gang; and that they would kill him if he did

not give them the money. This story is completely consistent

with his contemporaneously filed police report, which added

that a gang member was to be sent to collect the money from

F.J.A.P. the day after the threat.

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These facts, bolstered by the State Department report not-

ing that cell phones were smuggled into prisons for use by

gang members, give rise to the immigration judge’s reasona-

ble inference that the person threatening F.J.A.P. had more

power in the gang than those threatening him before. The

Board refused to consider F.J.A.P.’s testimony—one indicator

that this was de novo, rather than clear error, review.

Reweighing the evidence. The Board’s second reason for re-

versing the immigration judge’s conclusion, that there was in-

sufficient evidence that the gang wanted to harm F.J.A.P. spe-

cifically, reweighed evidence indicative of de novo review.

In Estrada-Martinez, we determined that the Board had im-

permissibly reweighed the evidence. Although the Board

“did not dispute the judge’s findings” of previous torture, on-

going fear of torture, and recent threats made to the peti-

tioner, it “discounted these facts” while giving more weight

to others. 809 F.3d at 896. The Board engaged in the same im-

permissible evaluation here, discounting evidence the immi-

gration judge found significant in F.J.A.P.’s case. It opined

that F.J.A.P. “has not had any contact with the gang members

who extorted him since 2014, and there is no indication that

gang members have asked the applicant’s family about him

(even after the gang killed his cousin in 2015 for similarly not

complying with gang demands).” The Board therefore con-

cluded that there was no evidence suggesting the gang was

interested in harming him.

Like in Estrada-Martinez, the Board discounted evidence of

previous threats credited by the immigration judge and cor-

roborated by the contemporaneous police report. But the im-

migration judge clearly thought that evidence significant,

weighing heavily a threat to kill F.J.A.P. specifically, despite

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the passage of time. Unlike in Brito, where fear of torture was

speculative because of the lack of evidence that the gang was

specifically interested in the petitioner or even knew his iden-

tity, 40 F.4th at 552, threats to F.J.A.P. were specific and tar-

geted. All facts that led the immigration judge to credit

F.J.A.P.’s reasonable fear of death upon return to El Salvador

came from F.J.A.P.’s lived experiences—his weekly extortion

and the personal threat at his home, demanding $2,000. Fur-

thermore, like in Estrada-Martinez, the “fear of torture is con-

sistent with the current conditions” in El Salvador. 809 F.3d at

896. The Board reweighed and discounted evidence in

F.J.A.P.’s case instead of properly disputing that evidence

with contrary facts from the record.

Failure to explain the immigration judge’s errors. The Board’s

third critique of the immigration judge’s finding perfunctorily

rejected those findings without explanation. It stated simply

that “there is insufficient record evidence indicating that the

applicant is personally at risk of torture because he reported

the extortion and the death threat to the police in 2014.” The

Board did not explain how the immigration judge’s conclu-

sion that F.J.A.P. would likely be tortured for having “the au-

dacity to file a police report” is illogical, implausible, or lacks

support. The Board did not explain why, in a country where

gangs control much of the government—an assertion which

was supported in the record by the State Department’s coun-

try report—an individual complaint about the gang made to

the gang-controlled police would not put a target on someone’s

back.

III. Conclusion

For these reasons, we find that the Board erred by failing

to apply the required clear error standard of review. Because

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the Board failed to apply the correct standard of review, we

need not reach whether substantial evidence supported its

conclusion. In light of this error, we grant F.J.A.P.’s petition

and remand to the Board of Immigration Appeals for recon-

sideration of the immigration judge’s decision under the cor-

rect standard of review consistent with this opinion.

* * *

The petition for review is

GRANTED AND REMANDED.

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BRENNAN, Circuit Judge, concurring in part and dissenting

in part. F.J.A.P. illegally reentered the United States, so the

Department of Homeland Security reinstated his prior order

of removal. While awaiting removal, F.J.A.P. expressed fear of

returning to his home country and was placed in withhold-

ing-only proceedings. The immigration judge granted F.J.A.P.

withholding-only relief, but the Board of Immigration

Appeals reversed. F.J.A.P. petitioned this court for review,

challenging the Board’s decision. Because F.J.A.P. filed his

petition for review more than 30 days after the reinstatement

decision, and that filing deadline is jurisdictional, I would dis-

miss his petition for lack of jurisdiction.

I

The Immigration and Nationality Act, several regulations,

and two recent Supreme Court opinions provide the rules for

this decision. For clarity, I briefly review those.

First, we look to the statutes and regulations. The INA pro-

vides for the removal of aliens and judicial review of that re-

moval. Title 8 U.S.C. § 1252 requires a “final order of removal”

for judicial review. An “order of removal” is one “concluding

that the alien is deportable or ordering deportation.” 8 U.S.C.

§ 1101(a)(47)(A). It becomes final at the conclusion of Board

review or when the time for seeking Board review has ex-

pired. Id. § 1101(a)(47)(B). An alien must file a petition for re-

view “not later than 30 days after the date of the final order of

removal.” Id. § 1252(b)(1).

With a final order of removal, we can review “all ques-

tions of law and fact … arising from any action taken or pro-

ceeding brought to remove [the] alien from the United

States.” Id. § 1252(b)(9) (zipper clause); see Guerrero-Lasprilla v.

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Barr, 598 U.S. –––, 140 S. Ct. 1062, 1070 (2020). This includes

certain questions arising from CAT orders which are

“zipped” with the reviewable final order of removal.

After an alien reenters illegally, the “prior order of re-

moval is reinstated from its original date.” 8 U.S.C.

§ 1231(a)(5). Section 1231(a)(5) expressly forbids relief and

states “the alien shall be removed under the prior order.”

In addition to these statutes, certain federal regulations

apply, which themselves implement treaty obligations. Those

regulations allow limited relief for illegal reentrants. Under

those regulations, an alien may present evidence to an asylum

officer, who will determine whether the alien has a “reasona-

ble fear” of persecution or torture in his home nation. 8 C.F.R.

§ 241.8(e). These “reasonable fear” proceedings are called

“withholding-only” proceedings, through which an alien can

seek either statutory relief or relief under the Convention

Against Torture (CAT); the latter applies here.

Next, two recent Supreme Court cases guide us. In Nasral-

lah v. Barr, 590 U.S. –––, 140 S. Ct. 1683 (2020), the Court

addressed whether a court of appeals could review factual

findings concerning a criminal alien’s final order of removal

and CAT order. 140 S. Ct. at 1689. For criminal aliens, 8 U.S.C.

§ 1252(a)(2)(C) forbids judicial review of a final order of re-

moval. The Court held that § 1252(a)(2)(C) bars judicial re-

view of an alien’s factual challenge to a final order of removal,

but that bar does not apply to a CAT order because it is not a

final order of removal. Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1691.

In Nasrallah, the Court clarified the meaning of final order

of removal in § 1252, citing § 1101(a)(47)(A). 140 S. Ct. at 1692.

Section 1101(a)(47)(A) defines an “order of deportation” as

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the order “concluding that the alien is deportable or ordering

deportation.”1 The Court concluded that rulings which do not

“affect the validity of the final order” of removal are not part

of the order. 140 S. Ct. at 1692. A CAT order:

does not disturb the final order of removal. An order

granting CAT relief means only that, notwithstanding

the order of removal, the noncitizen may not be re-

moved to the designated country of removal, at least

until conditions change in that country. But the noncit-

izen still may be removed at any time to another coun-

try where he or she is not likely to be tortured.

Id. at 1691 (cleaned up). So, a CAT order is not a final order of

removal and cannot be reviewed independently. Id.

Further, in Johnson v. Guzman Chavez, 594 U.S. –––, 141 S.

Ct. 2271 (2021), the Court considered whether to classify with-

holding of removal requests by those subject to a reinstate-

ment decision under 8 U.S.C. §§ 1226 or 1231. 141 S. Ct. at

2280. Section 1226 applies to an alien “pending a decision on

whether the alien is to be removed.” Section 1231 applies after

an alien has been ordered removed. Section 1226 entitles al-

iens to hearings as to whether they should be released on

bond; § 1231 does not provide the same process.

The Court ruled that a decision to withhold removal is not

an order of removal. See Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2287–88.

The Court also stated that a reinstatement decision is admin-

istratively final as soon as it is issued, and “the finality of the

order of removal does not depend in any way on the outcome

1 As the majority opinion notes, see supra at 7, the INA uses “order of

removal” and “order of deportation” interchangeably.

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of the withholding-only proceedings.” Id. at 2287. In Guzman

Chavez, the Court defined finality by citing Nasrallah, which

cited to “order of removal” as a defined term in the INA un-

der 8 U.S.C § 1101(a)(47). See Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2288.

In addition, the Court expressly left open the question

whether a reinstatement decision is a final order of removal

subject to review at all. Id. at 2285 n.6.

In the wake of these two recent Supreme Court decisions,

there have been numerous inter- and intra-circuit splits on

this jurisdictional issue. See Bhaktibhai-Patel v. Garland, 32 F.4th

180, 190–93 (2d Cir. 2022); but see Order at 2, Cerrato-Barahona

v. Garland, No. 22-6349 (2d Cir. July 12, 2023), ECF No. 22; Or-

der at 2, Castejon-Paz v. Garland, No. 22-6024 (2d Cir. July 12,

2023), ECF No. 25; Martinez v. Garland, 86 F.4th 561, 568 (4th

Cir. 2023); Martinez, 86 F.4th at 572–74 (Floyd, J., concurring);

Argueta-Hernandez v. Garland, 87 F.4th 698, 705–06 (5th Cir.

2023) (reconsidering and overruling Argueta-Hernandez v.

Garland, 73 F.4th 300, 302 (5th Cir. 2023)); Ruiz-Perez v. Gar-

land, 49 F.4th 972, 976 (5th Cir. 2022); but see Ruiz-Perez, 49

F.4th at 980–86 (Oldham, J., dissenting); Kolov v. Garland, 78

F.4th 911, 918–19 (6th Cir. 2023); Alonso-Juarez v. Garland, 80

F.4th 1039, 1056 (9th Cir. 2023); Arostegui-Maldonado v. Gar-

land, 75 F.4th 1132, 1143 (10th Cir. 2023); but see Arostegui-Mal-

donado, 75 F.4th at 1148–51 (Tymkovich, J., concurring).

And in a number of cases pending before this court, the

government has changed its position—sometimes more than

once—on when an order of removal becomes final and

whether the filing deadline in 8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)(1) is jurisdic-

tional. Until approximately 2022, the government consistently

took the position that an alien may timely file a petition to

challenge a decision in a withholding-only proceeding within

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30 days of that decision. Then, the government argued that a

timely petition for review must be filed within 30 days of the

reinstatement decision. Later, the government attempted to

switch positions in cases before our court, maintaining its in-

terpretation of the deadline for filing a petition, but conclud-

ing that the deadline was not jurisdictional and that it had

waived, not forfeited, its enforcement.

We should reconsider our approach to this jurisdictional

question in light of the Court’s decisions.

II

“Federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction.” Kokko-

nen v. Guardian Life Ins. Co. of Am., 511 U.S. 375, 377 (1994).

This court has an “independent obligation to determine

whether subject-matter jurisdiction exists.” Arbaugh v. Y&H

Corp., 546 U.S. 500, 514 (2006).

To fulfill that obligation, we must answer three questions.

First, does either a CAT order or a reinstatement decision

qualify as a removal order? Second, is the petition for review

filing deadline jurisdictional? And third, did F.J.A.P. timely

file his petition for review?

A

This court has jurisdiction to review only when there is a

final order of removal. § 1252(a)(1). So, the first question for

this case is whether a CAT order or a reinstatement decision

is an order of removal.

1. A CAT order is not an order of removal.

Because withholding-only relief addresses where an alien

may be removed to, not whether an alien is removable, a CAT

order is not an order of removal. Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at

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2285–86; Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1691. The withholding-only

“determination neither ‘disturb[s] the final order of removal,’

nor ‘affect[s] [its] validity.’” Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2288

(quoting Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1691). The removal order “re-

mains in full force” and the agency “retains the authority to

remove the alien to any other country authorized by the stat-

ute.” Id. at 2285.

2. A reinstatement decision may not be an order of removal, but

under our current precedent, I presume that it is.

Courts have questioned whether a reinstatement decision

is an order of removal. See Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2285

n.6 (leaving open this question); Martinez, 86 F.4th at 568

(questioning whether a reinstatement decision is a final order

of removal); Ruiz-Perez, 49 F.4th at 976 (same); Bhaktibhai-Pa-

tel, 32 F.4th at 195–96 (same). The reinstatement decision is the

result of an expedited process for those who, after already

having been removed, reenter the United States without au-

thorization. See 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(5). That statute provides:

Reinstatement of removal orders against aliens ille-

gally reentering

If the Attorney General finds that an alien has reen-

tered the United States illegally after having been

removed or having departed voluntarily, under an

order of removal, the prior order of removal is rein-

stated from its original date and is not subject to be-

ing reopened or reviewed, the alien is not eligible

and may not apply for any relief under this chapter,

and the alien shall be removed under the prior order at

any time after the reentry.

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8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(5) (emphasis added). DHS has promulgated

regulations outlining the reinstatement process. See 8 C.F.R.

§ 241.8(a)–(c). “[T]he agency obtains the alien’s prior order of

removal, confirms the alien’s identity, determines whether

the alien’s reentry was unauthorized, provides the alien with

written notice of its determination, allows the alien to contest

that determination, and then reinstates the order.” Guzman

Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2282.

A reinstatement decision does not fit within the statutory

definition of a removal order. The language of § 1231(a)(5)

distinguishes between an “order of removal” and the rein-

statement decision. The INA and regulations implementing

the INA repeat this distinction throughout. See, e.g., 8 C.F.R.

§ 208.31(a) (distinguishing between an alien who is “ordered

removed” and an alien whose “removal order is reinstated”).

For example, § 1231(a)(5), states, “the prior order of removal

is reinstated.” Under this provision, a new order of removal

is not made; instead, the prior order is reinstated. The order

of removal is the initial order when the alien first illegally en-

tered the country and was removed, not the later decision to

reinstate the prior order of removal. Nasrallah states, “final or-

ders of removal encompass only the rulings made by the im-

migration judge or Board of Immigration Appeals that affect

the validity of the final order of removal.” 104 S. Ct. at 1691.2

2 F.J.A.P. argues that a reinstatement decision is a removal order be-

cause “order of deportation” as defined in in § 1101(a)(47)(A) says a re-

moval order is any order ordering deportation. F.J.A.P. points to the last

page of the Board’s withholding-only decision, which states F.J.A.P. is “or-

dered removed.” Oral Argument at 29:48–30:17.

But the Board did not discuss the reinstatement decision. Instead, the

Board said the withholding-only decision does not affect the

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Although, as explained above, the reinstatement decision

may not be an order of removal, caution counsels against

reaching that conclusion. Guzman Chavez left open this ques-

tion, see 141 S. Ct. at 2285 n.6, and this court’s precedent pre-

sumes that a reinstatement decision is a removal order, see

Faiz-Mohammad v. Ashcroft, 395 F.3d 799, 800 (7th Cir. 2005).

So, as does the majority opinion, I conclude that a reinstate-

ment decision is a final order of removal subject to judicial

review under § 1252(b)(9).

B

The second question is whether the petition for review fil-

ing deadline is jurisdictional. The relevant statute, 8 U.S.C.

§ 1252(b)(1), grants 30 days to seek judicial review of a final

order of removal.

I join the majority’s holding that the filing deadline in

§ 1252(b)(1) is jurisdictional. In Stone v. INS, 514 U.S. 386

(1995), the Court so held. Id. at 405. In Santos-Zacaria v. Gar-

land, 598 U.S. 411 (2023), the Court considered whether the

administrative exhaustion provision in § 1252(d)(1) was

reinstatement decision or the prior order of removal that has been rein-

stated. As the Court held in Nasrallah and reiterated in Guzman Chavez, a

CAT order is not a final order of removal. See Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1692;

Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2285–86. As F.J.A.P. points out, the Board’s

decision states he will be “ordered removed from the United States to El

Salvador.” The Board’s decision denying withholding-only relief does not

affect the validity of the final order of removal, however. See Nasrallah, 140

S. Ct. at 1692. The CAT order just confirms that F.J.A.P. is now “ordered

removed from the United States to El Salvador.” The only relief that could

be granted in withholding-only proceedings was to prevent F.J.A.P. from

being sent to El Salvador, which was denied.

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jurisdictional. 598 U.S. at 417. The Court held that it was not.

Id. at 423. In dicta, the Court opined that its jurisdictional

holding in Stone might not be binding precedent, and that the

time to file a petition for review might be a claims-processing

rule instead. See id. at 421 (dicta).3

As the Court stated in Santos-Zacaria, Stone was decided at

a time when the Supreme Court used the word “jurisdiction”

more loosely than it does under current practice. Id. And, un-

der current practice, a time limit for seeking judicial review of

an administrative decision would likely not be called jurisdic-

tional. See, e.g., Arbaugh, 546 U.S. at 515; Arellano v.

McDonough, 598 U.S. 1, 6–14 (2023). But the Court in Santos-

Zacaria decided not to apply Stone to the exhaustion provision

in 1252(d)(1) because Stone did not specifically address the ex-

haustion requirement. See Santos-Zacaria, 598 U.S. at 421–22.

Santos-Zacaria did not overrule Stone. The Court in Santos-

Zacaria distinguished the reasoning in Stone as applied to ex-

haustion provisions in the INA and given current practice,

called into question the reasoning in Stone. Santos-Zacaria did

not discuss filing deadlines at all. See id. In Stone, however, the

Court did specifically consider filing deadlines—such as the

one at issue here—and concluded that the filing deadline in

the INA was jurisdictional. 514 U.S. at 405.

As an inferior court, we continue to apply Stone until over-

ruled. See, e.g., Agostini v. Felton, 521 U.S. 203, 237 (1997) (“We

do not acknowledge, and we do not hold, that other courts

should conclude our more recent cases have, by implication,

3 As the majority opinion points out, since Santos-Zacaria, this question

has arisen in several circuits. They are split, even intra-circuit. See supra at

5–6.

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overruled an earlier precedent. We reaffirm that if a precedent

of this Court has direct application in a case yet appears to

rest on reasons rejected in some other line of decisions, the

Court of Appeals should follow the case which directly con-

trols, leaving to this Court the prerogative of overruling its

own decisions.”) (cleaned up). Because Stone ruled that the fil-

ing deadline in § 1252(b)(1) is jurisdictional, and Stone has not

been overruled, I agree with my colleagues that the filing

deadline in 8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)(1) is jurisdictional.

C

The third question is whether F.J.A.P. timely filed his pe-

tition for review. I part ways with my colleagues here and I

conclude that he did not.

A petition of review must be filed “not later than 30 days

after the date of the final order of removal.” § 1252(b)(1). The

relevant dates for F.J.A.P.’s petition are:

 Prior final order of removal—December 16, 2008;

 DHS decision to reinstate prior final order of re-

moval—January 22, 2020;

 Board decision reversing IJ grant of CAT relief, con-

cluding withholding-only proceedings—June 14,

2021; and

 Petition for review filed with our court—July 13,

2021.

If the reinstatement decision was final when issued on Janu-

ary 22, 2020, F.J.A.P. had to petition for review by February

21, 2020. His petition was thus untimely. If, however,

F.J.A.P.’s placement in withholding-only proceedings meant

that the reinstatement decision was not yet final, F.J.A.P. had

30 days after the conclusion of the withholding-only

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proceedings to file his petition, July 14, 2021, in which case his

petition would be timely.

1. Withholding-only proceedings do not affect the finality of re-

instatement decisions.

The 30-day filing deadline began to run on January 22,

2020, when DHS reinstated F.J.A.P.’s prior order of removal,

so his petition for review was not timely. F.J.A.P.’s reinstate-

ment decision has “long been ‘administratively final.’” Guz-

man Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2285. An order of removal becomes

final at the conclusion of the allowed administrative review.

See § 1101(a)(47)(B); see also Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1691; Guz-

man Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2288 (applying Nasrallah’s interpreta-

tion of finality); see also Bhaktibhai-Patel, 32 F.4th at 192–93;

Martinez, 86 F.4th at 568–71.

Section 1101(a)(47)(B) states that an order of deportation

becomes “final” on the earlier of:

(i) a determination by the Board of Immigration Ap-

peals affirming such order; or

(ii) the expiration of the period in which the alien is

permitted to seek review of such order by the Board of

Immigration Appeals.

The INA contains no other definition of “final.” The Court in

Nasrallah (interpreting § 1252) and Guzman Chavez (interpret-

ing § 1231) used this definition. See Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct.

at 2285 (“[O]nce the BIA has reviewed the order (or the time

for seeking the BIA’s review has expired), DHS is free to re-

move the alien.”); Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1691 (“In the depor-

tation context, a final ‘order of removal’ is a final order ‘con-

cluding that the alien is deportable or ordering deportation.’”

(citing § 1101(a)(47)(A)) (“An order granting [withholding-

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only] relief means only that, notwithstanding the order of re-

moval, the noncitizen may not be removed to the designated

country of removal, at least until conditions change in that

country. But the noncitizen still ‘may be removed at any time

to another country where he or she is not likely to be tor-

tured.’” (citing 8 C.F.R. §§ 1208.16(f), 1208.17(b)(2))).

Using the definition in § 1101(a)(47)(B) here, a reinstate-

ment decision is final when issued. A reinstatement decision

receives no Board review. See § 1231(a)(5) (“the prior order of

removal is reinstated from its original date and is not subject

to being reopened or reviewed”).

Withholding-only proceedings do not change this. This

court has held as much, concluding that an order of removal

is final and reviewable, even if a request for discretionary re-

lief, such as a withholding-only decision, remains pending.

See Jimenez Viracacha v. Mukasey, 518 F.3d 511, 513 (7th Cir.

2008).

The reinstatement decision and the order deciding with-

holding-only relief are separate decisions. In order to make

the withholding-only decision, there must be a removal deci-

sion—here the reinstatement decision, which requires the re-

moval of the alien—that can be withheld. A grant of with-

holding-only relief does not affect the validity—the legally

binding effect—of a final order of removal. Guzman Chavez,

141 S. Ct. at 2288 (quoting Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1691). Again,

withholding-only relief affects where an alien is removed to,

not whether an alien is removable. Id. at 2285–86.

The indeterminacy as to where an alien may be removed

does not affect whether DHS can remove the alien. Even if

withholding-only proceedings begin, DHS can still deport the

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alien to a third country (not his or her home country) at the

conclusion of those proceedings, regardless of the outcome,

because the only relief provided by withholding-only pro-

ceedings is changing where the alien will go. Guzman Chavez,

141 S. Ct. at 2283. Thus, although there may be further agency

action, that action does not affect the finality of the order of

removal.

Concluding otherwise runs counter to the reasoning in

Nasrallah and Guzman Chavez. Recall, the Supreme Court re-

jected Guzman Chavez’s argument that withholding-only

proceedings keep a removal order “pending.” Id. at 2285 (“Re-

spondents misunderstand the nature of withholding-only

proceedings.”). Again, the Court has explained that even if

withholding-only relief is granted, the removal order “is not

vacated or otherwise set aside” but “remains in full force.”

Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2285. Withholding-only relief

“‘does not disturb the final order of removal,’ ‘affect the va-

lidity of the final order of removal,’ or otherwise ‘merge into

the final order of removal.’” Id. at 2288 (quoting Nasrallah, 140

S. Ct. at 1691).

Moreover, in Nasrallah, the Court rejected the govern-

ment’s argument that in some cases no order deciding with-

holding-only relief was judicially reviewable: “Section

2242(d) of FARRA, enacted in 1998, expressly provides for ju-

dicial review of [withholding-only] claims together with the

review of final orders of removal.” Nasrallah, 140 S. Ct. at 1693.

The Court did not say that a withholding-only decision pre-

vents an order of removal from becoming final, and thus was

reviewable as part of the administrative process with an order

of removal.

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Rather, the Court said an order deciding withholding-only

relief was reviewable with a final order of removal. A rein-

statement decision receives no such review and is final when

issued. Just because an alien enters withholding-only pro-

ceedings does not mean “the reinstated order loses its prior

finality.” Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2287. So, under

§ 1252(b)(1), a petition for review of an order deciding with-

holding-only relief must be filed within 30 days of that rein-

statement decision to be reviewable as part of that final order.

F.J.A.P. failed to meet that deadline.

Last, per the majority opinion’s interpretation of the INA

statutes, a reinstatement decision could be final for purposes

of detention under § 1231, but not final for purposes of judi-

cial review under § 1252. That would run counter to the INA’s

single definition of when an order of deportation becomes “fi-

nal,” at § 1101(a)(47)(B).4

2. Contrary readings of the statutes and caselaw are not persua-

sive.

The majority opinion concludes the opposite, reasoning

that: (1) § 1231 and § 1252 use different language—§ 1231 uses

the term “administratively final,” and § 1252 uses the term

“final”—so the statutes must have different meanings; and (2)

the Court left open the question of when an order is final un-

der § 1252 in footnote 6 of Guzman Chavez.

4 The majority opinion cites Eke v. Mukasey, 512 F.3d 372, 375–78 (7th

Cir. 2008), as an example of our court exercising jurisdiction over a peti-

tion after withholding-only proceedings had received complete Board re-

view. See supra at 20, 22. But Eke was issued a decade earlier than Guzman

Chavez or Nasrallah and their rulings on these questions.

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i. A reinstatement decision, which receives limited adminis-

trative process that does not affect the validity of the deci-

sion, is final when issued.

Under § 1252, the period to file a petition for review begins

on “the date of the final order of removal.” 8 U.S.C.

§ 1252(b)(1). So, as described above, there must be a final or-

der of removal for judicial review.

A “final order of removal” under § 1252 is an order that

has received all due administrative process. An order of de-

portation or removal is a defined term in the INA. See id.

§ 1101(a)(47)(A) (“(A) The term ‘order of deportation’ means

the order of the special inquiry officer, or other such adminis-

trative officer to whom the Attorney General has delegated

the responsibility for determining whether an alien is deport-

able, concluding that the alien is deportable or ordering

deportation.”) And when that order becomes final is also de-

fined. Id. § 1101(a)(47)(B) (“(B) The order described under

subparagraph (A) shall become final upon the earlier of—(i) a

determination by the Board of Immigration Appeals affirm-

ing such order; or (ii) the expiration of the period in which the

alien is permitted to seek review of such order by the Board

of Immigration Appeals.”).

Here, the order of removal was a reinstatement decision,

which was final when issued. Again, under § 1252, only a final

order of removal is reviewable. Using the definition of

§ 1101(a)(47)(B), an order of removal is final when it has com-

pleted all due administrative process—“administratively

final.” A reinstatement decision is therefore final and review-

able by a court. Placement in withholding-only proceedings

does not affect that.

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Other statutes support this reasoning. For example, take

the statute discussing the detention and removal of aliens.

The removal period begins (i) when the order of removal be-

comes administratively final, (ii) if judicially reviewed, the date

of the court’s final order, or (iii) if the alien is detained or con-

fined, when the alien is released. See 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(1)(B)

(emphasis added). In § 1231, the modifier “administratively”

reiterates that an order of removal becomes final under the

INA when all due administrative process ends—in accord

with the definition in § 1101(a)(47)(A) for when an order of

removal becomes final. That is distinct from a later final order

issued by a court, if judicial review is allowed. The Court in

Guzman Chavez states this expressly: “By using the word ‘ad-

ministratively,’ Congress focused our attention on the

agency’s review proceedings, separate and apart from any ju-

dicial review proceedings that may occur in a court.” 141 S.

Ct. at 2284. That is because the INA distinguishes between

when an order of removal is final—receiving all due admin-

istrative process—and when a court issues a final order.

The penalties related to removal also support this reading.

8 U.S.C. § 1253(a)(1)(A), penalizes an alien who “willfully fails

or refuses to depart from the United States within a period of

90 days from the date of the final order of removal under admin-

istrative processes, or if judicial review is had, then from the

date of the final order of the court … .” (emphasis added).

Again, a final order of removal—meaning, administratively

final and reviewable by a court, if such review is allowed—is

distinguished from a later final order of the court.

The INA often uses language to differentiate between

when there is a final order of removal—as an agency’s process

is complete, and judicial review may be allowed—and when

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there is a final order of the court after judicial review. It stands

to reason that is why “administratively” is used in § 1231 but

not elsewhere in that statute, such as in § 1252 where such a

distinction is not necessary. Further supporting this conclu-

sion is the INA’s single definition of an order of deportation

and when that order becomes final. 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(47). But

there are references to two kinds of “final orders” in the

INA—a final order of removal, and a final order of the court

after allowed judicial review. See, e.g., id. §§ 1231(a)(1)(B),

1253(a)(1)(A), 1227(d)(1)(B) (“there is a final administrative

denial of the application … after the exhaustion of adminis-

trative appeals”).5 The majority opinion places too much

weight on “administratively,” which is used in

§ 1231(a)(1)(B)(i) only as a modifier.

The majority opinion states that “under § 1231 an order is

not ‘final’ until it has been reviewed in court[,]” thus creating

a “impossible bind.” But § 1231 does not state that a court

must review an order for it to be final. Rather, the INA sets

forth, several times, that for judicial review, what is required

is an order of removal that received full agency process, i.e., is

“administratively final.” Once administratively final, the final

order of removal is reviewable by a court, and if judicial re-

view is allowed, then there is a final order of the court. Judicial

5 Elsewhere in the INA, judicial process is distinguished from admin-

istrative process. To differentiate between the same process at different

levels of review, the Act uses modifiers like “judicial,” “administrative,”

or “administratively.” For example, § 1227(d)(1) describes a stay as “ad-

ministrative.” But § 1229c(f) and § 1231(a)(1)(B)(ii) discuss a judicial stay

and use only the word “stay,” without the modifier “administrative.” See

also, e.g., 8 U.S.C. §§ 1160(e)(1), 1255a(f) (distinguishing between adminis-

trative and judicial review).

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review does not affect the administrative finality of the un-

derlying final order of removal.

A final order of the court is distinct from a final order of

removal that may be subject to judicial review. An order of

removal is final when “administratively final” and that final-

ity “does not depend in any way on the outcome of the with-

holding-only proceedings.” Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2287.

Again, entering withholding-only proceedings does not keep

a removal order “pending”; rather, it “remains in full force.”

Id. at 2285. Holding otherwise contradicts the expedited re-

view process Congress created in § 1231(a)(5) for illegal reen-

trants to this country, as well as the Court’s reasoning and

conclusions in Nasrallah and Guzman Chavez.

ii. The Court left open whether a reinstatement decision is

an order of removal, not when an order of removal is final.

I do not read the Court in Guzman Chavez to have left open

the question of when an order of removal is final under § 1252.

In Guzman Chavez’s Supreme Court brief, she argues that a

reinstatement decision “is a new order of removal subject to

judicial review,” citing numerous circuit court opinions. See

Brief for Respondent at 24–26 & n.8, Johnson v. Guzman Chavez,

594 U.S. –––, 141 S. Ct. 2271 (2021) (No. 19-897) (“Resp. Br.”).

The Court considered that argument in footnote 6 of its ma-

jority opinion. See Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2285 n.6. Read-

ing footnote 6 alongside Guzman Chavez’s arguments and ci-

tations clarifies which question the Court left open. Guzman

Chavez argued that a reinstatement decision is a new final or-

der of removal that is subject to judicial review. Resp. Br. at

24 & n.8. The Court speaks to these arguments in footnote 6:

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[S]ome lower courts’ interpretation of the phrase “final

order of removal” as it is used in 8 U. S. C. § 1252(b)(1)

requires that this Court adopt respondents’ interpreta-

tion of § 1231 here. Brief for Respondents 24–26, and n.

8. We express no view on whether the lower courts are

correct in their interpretation of § 1252, which uses dif-

ferent language than § 1231 and relates to judicial re-

view of removal orders rather than detention.

Guzman Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2285 n.6. The footnote refers to

the lower courts’ decisions that a reinstatement decision was

a new order of removal subject to judicial review under

§ 1252(b)(1). The Court left open the question whether rein-

statement decisions were even final orders of removal. Foot-

note 6 therefore does not help F.J.A.P., either.

The citations in footnote 8 of Guzman Chavez’s Supreme

court brief support this conclusion. Every case cited there pre-

sumed that the court has appellate jurisdiction over the rein-

statement decision under § 1252(b) as an order of removal.

Arevalo v. Ashcroft, 344 F.3d 1, 9 (1st Cir. 2003) (“There is little

doubt that we have appellate jurisdiction over the reinstate-

ment of an order to deport an illegal reentrant. The reinstate-

ment itself operates as the functional equivalent of a final

order of removal.”); Garcia-Villeda v. Mukasey, 531 F.3d 141,

144 (2d Cir. 2008) (reviewing a reinstatement decision); Avila-

Macias v. Ashcroft, 328 F.3d 108, 110 (3d Cir. 2003) (holding the

court had jurisdiction to review questions arising from a rein-

statement decision); Velasquez-Gabriel v. Crocetti, 263 F.3d 102,

105 (4th Cir. 2001) (holding a reinstatement decision was an

“order of removal” subject to judicial review); Ojeda-Terrazas

v. Ashcroft, 290 F.3d 292, 295 (5th Cir. 2002) (holding that a re-

instatement decision “is not literally an ‘order of removal’ [8

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U.S.C. § 1252(b)] because it merely reinstates a previously is-

sued order of removal or deportation” … but is a final order

of the Immigration and Naturalization Service that may be re-

viewed); Warner v. Ashcroft, 381 F.3d 534, 536 (6th Cir. 2004)

(holding the court had jurisdiction to review a reinstatement

decision because it was an order of removal reviewable under

8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)); Gomez-Chavez v. Perryman, 308 F.3d 796,

800 (7th Cir. 2002) (holding the alien was “entitled to petition

th[e] court for review of the [reinstatement decision]”);

Briones-Sanchez v. Heinauer, 319 F.3d 324, 326 (8th Cir. 2003)

(holding the court has jurisdiction to review a reinstatement

decision under § 1252); Ixcot v. Holder, 646 F.3d 1202, 1206 (9th

Cir. 2011) (holding the court had “jurisdiction to review final

agency orders of removal, including reinstatement orders”

under § 1252); Duran-Hernandez v. Ashcroft, 348 F.3d 1158,

1162 n.3 (10th Cir. 2003) (“Although § 1252 speaks specifically

of judicial review of ‘orders of removal,’ every circuit to ad-

dress the question has found [Section] 1252 to cover review of

reinstatement orders as well.”) (alteration in original) (note

that Guzman Chavez’s brief specifically cites this quote); Sar-

miento Cisneros v. United States Att’y Gen., 381 F.3d 1277, 1278

(11th Cir. 2004) (reviewing a reinstatement decision)).

The Court’s later discussion of these same pages in Guz-

man Chavez’s brief provides further clarity. There, the Court

considered her argument that even if a reinstatement decision

is final when issued, withholding-only proceedings reopen fi-

nality. The Court disagreed, stating, “removal orders and

withholding-only proceedings address two distinct ques-

tions. As a result, they end in two separate orders, and the

finality of the order of removal does not depend in any way

on the outcome of the withholding-only proceedings.” Guz-

man Chavez, 141 S. Ct. at 2287.

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On this point the Court remarked that administrative fi-

nality—all due administrative process being complete—

makes an order of removal final. And a withholding-only pro-

ceeding does not keep a reinstatement decision from becom-

ing final:

Because the validity of removal orders is not affected

by the grant of withholding-only relief, an alien’s initi-

ation of withholding-only proceedings does not render

non-final an otherwise “administratively final” rein-

stated order of removal.

Id. at 2288.

Santos-Zacaria does not disturb this interpretation of

Nasrallah and Guzman Chavez. See supra at 28–29. We may not

draw conclusions from “drive-by jurisdictional rulings.” See,

e.g., Steel Co. v. Citizens for Better Env’t, 523 U.S. 83, 91 (1998).

Not unless a jurisdictional issue is squarely confronted and

addressed has a jurisdictional holding occurred. In Santos-

Zacaria, the Court dealt with a different provision of the INA

and § 1252(b)(1)’s filing deadline was never raised, so the

Court did not confront the jurisdictional issue in this case.

3. The presumption of reviewability does not change this result.

Finally, the presumption of reviewability is just that: a pre-

sumption. Congress can foreclose judicial review. Block v.

Cmty. Nutrition Inst., 467 U.S. 340, 349, 351 (1984); Abbott

Lab’ys v. Gardner, 387 U.S. 136, 140 (1967) (citing cases), abro-

gated on other grounds by Califano v. Sanders, 430 U.S. 99, 105

(1977). That presumption can be overcome by clear and con-

vincing evidence of Congressional intent to preclude judicial

review. Rusk v. Cort, 369 U.S. 367, 379–80 (1962), abrogated on

other grounds by Califano, 430 U.S. at 105. With reinstatement

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decisions, Congress specifically precluded review. Section

1231 uses the phrases: “not subject to being reopened or re-

viewed”; “shall be removed … at any time”; and “not eligible

[for] and may not apply for any relief.” A reinstatement deci-

sion is part of an expedited process without review for aliens

who illegally reenter.6

III

F.J.A.P. illegally reentered the United States, so his prior

order of removal was reinstated. Because F.J.A.P. petitioned

for review more than 30 days after the reinstatement decision,

his petition was untimely. I agree with the majority opinion

that the filing deadline for a petition for review is jurisdic-

tional. Therefore, I conclude that our court does not have ju-

risdiction to consider F.J.A.P.’s petition, and I would dismiss

this petition. For these reasons, I respectfully concur in part

and dissent in part.

6 The majority opinion suggests that this logic forecloses review of

withholding-only proceedings associated with reinstatement decisions.

See supra at 25. The issue for F.J.A.P. is not what can be reviewed, but when

that review can take place.