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People v. Veamatahau

  • 9 Cal. 5th 16
  • 259 Cal. Rptr. 3d 205
  • 459 P.3d 10
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California Supreme Court
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Feb 27, 2020
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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF

CALIFORNIA

THE PEOPLE,

Plaintiff and Respondent,

v.

JOSEPH VEAMATAHAU,

Defendant and Appellant.

S249872

First Appellate District, Division One

A150689

San Mateo County Superior Court

SF398877A

February 27, 2020

This opinion follows companion case S248730,

also filed on February 27, 2020.

Chief Justice Cantil-Sakauye authored the opinion of the

Court, in which Justices Chin, Corrigan, Liu, Cuéllar, Kruger

and Groban concurred.

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Evidence Code section 802 allows a testifying expert to

“state on direct examination the reasons for his opinion and the

matter (including . . . his special knowledge, skill, experience,

training, and education) upon which it is based.” So long as the

matter is “of a type that reasonably may be relied upon by an

expert,” it may be relayed to the factfinder “whether or not

admissible.” (Evid. Code, § 801, subd. (b); all further unspecified

statutory references are to the Evidence Code.) Accordingly, to

support his opinion, an expert is permitted to relate to the jury

background information that is technically hearsay, including

general knowledge and “premises generally accepted in his

field.” (People v. Sanchez (2016) 63 Cal.4th 665, 685 (Sanchez).)

The expert, however, cannot “relate as true case-specific facts

asserted in hearsay statements, unless they are independently

proven by competent evidence or are covered by a hearsay

exception.” (Id. at p. 686.)

In this case, we determine whether an expert related

impermissible case-specific hearsay. The expert told the jury

that he identified the controlled substance the defendant was

charged with possessing by comparing the visual characteristics

of the pills seized against a database containing descriptions of

pharmaceuticals. The expert testified that this procedure was

“the generally accepted method of testing for this kind of

substance in the scientific community,” and his search on the

database led him to the conclusion that the pills contained

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alprazolam, the generic name for Xanax. The expert also

revealed the contents of the database, stating that if one looks

up a particular imprint number, “[the database is] going to tell

you that . . . [a pill bearing such imprint] contains alprazolam,

2 milligrams.” After hearing this testimony and other evidence,

the jury convicted defendant of possession of alprazolam.

Defendant appealed, asserting that the expert testimony

violated Sanchez’s prohibition against communication of case-

specific hearsay. The Court of Appeal disagreed. It concluded

that the “testimony about the database, while hearsay, was not

case specific, but the type of general background information

which has always been admissible when related by an expert.”

(People v. Veamatahau (2018) 24 Cal.App.5th 68,

73 (Veamatahau).) The court further found sufficient evidence

supported defendant’s conviction for possession of alprazolam.

We agree with the Court of Appeal on both of these issues

and affirm its judgment in its entirety.

I. BACKGROUND

In June 2015, an East Palo Alto police officer, Sergeant

Clint Simmont, spotted defendant Joseph Veamatahau’s vehicle

making an unlawful turn. The officer activated his lights, and

defendant fled but was eventually apprehended. A search of

defendant’s person and vehicle revealed a plastic bag containing

what turned out to be cocaine base and — as is relevant for this

appeal — pills wrapped in cellophane inside his pocket.

Sergeant Simmont arrested defendant and interrogated him at

the police station. A recording of the interview was played for

the jury. During the interrogation, the officer asked defendant

about the pills, saying, “What about the pills that you had, the

bars? The Xanibars?” Defendant responded, “I take those,” and

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admitted to taking “a lot,” “four or five” pills “[e]very day,” “until

I feel good.”

At trial, Sergeant Simmont testified concerning his

experience in narcotics investigation and referred to the pills

recovered as “Xanax pills.” Scott Rienhardt, a criminalist from

the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office Forensic Laboratory, also

testified. Rienhardt worked in the “controlled substances . . .

and toxicology unit” at the laboratory, where he had been

employed for seven years. Rienhardt held a degree in

“chemistry, with an emphasis in analytical chemistry” and had

previously worked for the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Over the course of his career, he had tested for controlled

substances “thousands of times.” Specific to “alprazolam . . .

otherwise known as Xanax,” Rienhardt had identified the drug

“in the hundreds” of times. Based on this testimony, the court

designated Rienhardt as “an expert in the area of forensic

testing of controlled substances, specifically heroin, cocaine

base, and alprazolam.”

Rienhardt then testified regarding the process by which

“evidence comes into the lab to be tested after it’s been seized by

the police.” Rienhardt’s testimony, along with Sergeant

Simmont’s, established that Rienhardt examined the pills

recovered from defendant. The prosecutor then asked

Rienhardt if he was “able to identify the contents” of the pills.

Rienhardt responded affirmatively. When the prosecutor

inquired about the method by which Rienhardt performed the

identification, Rienhardt explained he used “a database that

[he] searched against [] the logos that were on the tablets.”

Following up on the explanation, the prosecutor asked, “Is that

the generally accepted method of testing for this kind of

substance in the scientific community?” Rienhardt confirmed

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that it was. He then opined that, as a result of following this

method, he “found the tablets to contain alprazolam.”

On cross-examination, defense counsel attempted to cast

doubt on Rienhardt’s identification. Counsel first asked

whether Rienhardt performed chemical tests on the pills.

Rienhardt said he did not and explained that such tests were

not the procedure followed by the San Mateo Forensic

Laboratory. Counsel then suggested that a visual examination

did not rule out the possibility that the tablets “could be

something else.” Rienhardt’s response indicated why he did not

believe the tablets were “something else.” According to

Rienhardt, when “there’s a controlled substance in the tablet,

the FDA requires companies to have a distinct imprint on those

tablets to differentiate it from any other tablets. The FDA

regulates that. [¶] And if there’s a tablet that has — in this

case GG32 — or 249 [as an imprint] — you can look that up.

And it’s going to tell you that it contains alprazolam,

2 milligrams. And that’s — we trust that, all those regulations

being in place, to say that there’s alprazolam in those tablets.”

Rienhardt conceded, however, that he did not “know who put

those little letters” on the tablets.

At the end of the prosecutor’s presentation of evidence,

and outside of the presence of the jury, defendant moved for

acquittal under Penal Code section 1118.1. Defendant faulted

the prosecution for not having performed a “traditional test . . .

where you actually test the substance.” “The only evidence

provided,” claimed defendant, was “a visual test to compare that

it’s a Xanax pill,” and “that’s [not] enough for the jury . . . to go

back and deliberate about.” The court denied the motion. As it

explained, “Mr. Rienhardt testified that method that he used is

the one generally accepted in the scientific community. The jury

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can decide what weight to give the fact that they were identified

by physical form and not by a chemical test. But

Mr. Rienhardt’s testimony gives the jur[ors] enough information

from which they can make that determination themselves.”

Defense counsel then argued to the jury during closing

statements that the drug identification procedure employed was

faulty. Counsel emphasized that Rienhardt “didn’t test the

Xanax” and merely “guess[ed] it’s Xanax . . . [by] look[ing] at the

picture” from the database. The jury subsequently convicted

defendant of possessing alprazolam.

Defendant appealed his conviction. Before the Court of

Appeal, as here, defendant contended “his conviction must be

reversed because Rienhardt’s testimony relayed case-specific

hearsay to the jury which was improper under Sanchez.”

(Veamatahau, supra, 24 Cal.App.5th at p. 72.) The appellate

court rejected the argument, finding that “the only ‘case-specific’

fact here concerned the markings Rienhardt saw on the pills

recovered from defendant.” (Id. at p. 74.) However, Rienhardt’s

“testimony about the appearance of the pills was not hearsay . . .

because it was based on his personal observation.” (Ibid.) What

was not based on Rienhardt’s personal knowledge was

information obtained from the database, but this information

“was not about the specific pills seized from defendant, but

generally about what pills containing certain chemicals look

like.” (Id. at p. 75, fn. omitted.) Although the information “is

clearly hearsay, it is the type of background information which

has always been admissible under state evidentiary law.” (Ibid.,

fn. omitted.)

The Court of Appeal thus found that Rienhardt’s

testimony was properly admitted. In reaching this conclusion,

the court expressly disagreed with People v. Stamps (2016)

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3 Cal.App.5th 988 (Stamps), “a factually similar case” in which

the court found that the expert’s testimony was inadmissible.

(Veamatahau, supra, 24 Cal.App.5th at p. 73.) In the

unpublished portion of its opinion, the Veamatahau court also

rejected defendant’s claim that insufficient evidence supported

his conviction. It therefore affirmed defendant’s conviction for

possession of alprazolam.

We granted review to resolve the conflict between the

decision below and Stamps.

II. ANALYSIS

Our analysis proceeds in two parts. We begin by

examining whether the expert related inadmissible case-specific

hearsay in testifying to the contents of a database used to

identify the chemical composition of the pills recovered from

defendant. After resolving this question, we consider whether

substantial evidence supports defendant’s conviction. For the

reasons given below, we conclude that Rienhardt did not relate

case-specific hearsay to the jury and that his testimony — along

with other evidence — was sufficient to allow a rational jury to

convict defendant of possession of alprazolam.

A. Whether the Expert Related Inadmissible Case-

Specific Hearsay

As a preliminary matter, we note that defendant did not

object at trial to the introduction of Rienhardt’s testimony.

However, defendant was convicted two days before we issued

Sanchez, and, as we have recently decided, the failure to object

in such circumstances does not forfeit a defendant’s Sanchez

claim. (People v. Perez (Feb. 27, 2020, S082101) __ Cal.5th __.)

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In Sanchez, we clarified the “proper application” of our

evidentiary law as it relates to the intersection of hearsay and

expert testimony. (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 670.) We

began by explaining that “[t]he hearsay rule has traditionally

not barred an expert’s testimony regarding his general

knowledge in his field of expertise.” (Id. at p. 676.) The reason

for this is pragmatic: because “ ‘experts frequently acquired

their knowledge from hearsay, . . . “to reject a professional

physician or mathematician because the fact or some facts to

which he testifies are known to him only upon the authority of

others would be to ignore the accepted methods of professional

work and to insist on . . . impossible standards.” ’ ” (Ibid.;

accord, e.g., Imwinkelried, The Bases of Expert Testimony: The

Syllogistic Structure of Scientific Testimony (1988) 67 N.C.

L.Rev. 1, 9 [“As one court has put it, it would be ‘virtually

impossible’ for a scientist to avoid relying on hearsay sources of

information. That observation is an understatement”].)

Because experts rely on hearsay knowledge and because a jury

“must independently evaluate the probative value of an expert’s

testimony,” including by assessing the basis of the expert’s

opinion, the expert is entitled to tell the jury the basis or

“ ‘matter’ upon which his opinion rests.” (Sanchez, supra,

63 Cal.4th at pp. 685-686.) Hence, “[i]n addition to matters

within their own personal knowledge, experts may relate

information acquired through their training and experience,

even though that information may have been derived from

conversations with others, lectures, study of learned treatises,

etc.” (Id. at p. 675.)

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The Legislature codified this common law rule when it

enacted the Evidence Code.1 Section 801 of the Code allows an

expert witness to render an opinion “[b]ased on matter

(including his special knowledge, skill, experience, training, and

education) perceived by or personally known to the witness or

made known to him at or before the hearing, whether or not

admissible, that is of a type that reasonably may be relied upon

by an expert in forming an opinion upon the subject to which his

testimony relates, unless an expert is precluded by law from

using such matter as a basis for his opinion.” (§ 801, subd. (b),

italics added.) Section 802 further permits the expert to “state

on direct examination the reasons for his opinion and the matter

(including, in the case of an expert, his special knowledge, skill,

experience, training, and education) upon which it is based.”

(See also § 721, subd. (a) [providing that “a witness testifying as

an expert . . . may be fully cross-examined as to . . . the matter

upon which his or her opinion is based and the reasons for his

or her opinion”].) In short, not only can an expert “rely on

hearsay in forming an opinion,” he “may tell the jury in general

terms that he did so.” (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 685.)

By contrast, an expert may not relate inadmissible “case-

specific facts about which the expert has no independent

knowledge.” (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 676.) “Case-

specific facts are those relating to the particular events and

1

Defendant asserts in his reply brief that the “expert’s

background information hearsay exception is a common law

hearsay exception rather than one defined by the Evidence

[C]ode.” The contention is without merit. Although the rule

allowing an expert to testify to general information finds its

roots in common law, the rule is now codified. (Sanchez, supra,

63 Cal.4th at p. 678.)

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participants alleged to have been involved in the case being

tried.” (Ibid.) Testimony relating such facts, unlike testimony

about non-case-specific background information, is subject to

exclusion on hearsay grounds. (Id. at p. 684, fn. omitted [“If an

expert testifies to case-specific out-of-court statements to

explain the bases for his opinion, those statements are

necessarily considered by the jury for their truth, thus rendering

them hearsay. Like any other hearsay evidence, it must be

properly admitted through an applicable hearsay exception”].)

The distinction between case-specific facts and background

information thus is crucial — the former may be excluded as

hearsay, the latter may not.

Relying on Sanchez, defendant argues that his conviction

must be reversed because it was based on inadmissible hearsay

“conveyed through expert testimony.” We disagree. As Sanchez

made clear, the part of the expert’s testimony that may be

excluded on hearsay ground is that relating “case-specific facts

about which the expert has no independent knowledge.”

(Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 676.) None of Rienhardt’s

statements falls in this category of impermissible testimony.

On direct examination, Rienhardt testified that, in his

field, it is standard practice to identify pharmaceutical pills by

visual inspection, whereby one compares markings found on the

pills against a database of imprints that the Food and Drug

Administration requires to be placed on tablets containing

controlled substances. He then testified that he performed this

visual inspection on the pills seized from defendant and formed

the opinion that they contained alprazolam. Rienhardt’s

opinion, offered “while testifying at the hearing,” was not

hearsay. (See § 1200, subd. (a) [defining hearsay as “evidence of

a statement that was made other than by a witness while

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testifying at the hearing and that is offered to prove the truth of

the matter stated”]; § 805 [“Testimony in the form of an opinion

that is otherwise admissible is not objectionable because it

embraces the ultimate issue to be decided by the trier of fact”].)

Likewise, Rienhardt’s testimony about the appearance of the

seized pills was not hearsay, because Rienhardt personally

examined the pills and saw the imprints on them. (People v.

Iraheta (2017) 14 Cal.App.5th 1228, 1248 (Iraheta) [“Personal

observations by any officer of Iraheta’s or other subjects’ tattoos,

attire, companions, and location were not hearsay”]; People v.

Vega-Robles (2017) 9 Cal.App.5th 382, 413 (Vega-Robles) [“As

we read Sanchez, it is not error for a gang expert to testify about

case-specific facts about which he has personal knowledge”];

People v. Meraz (2016) 6 Cal.App.5th 1162, 1174 (Meraz)

[similar].) Accordingly, Rienhardt conveyed no hearsay on

direct examination.

On the other hand, some of Rienhardt’s testimony elicited

on cross-examination constituted hearsay. In response to

questioning by defense counsel, Rienhardt explained that the

database he used “tell[s] you” that pills displaying a certain

imprint “contain[] alprazolam, 2 milligrams.” This information

was hearsay but, crucially, not case specific.2

Rienhardt’s statement concerning what the database

“tell[s] you” related general background information relied upon

2

Seizing on the fact that this testimony was elicited by the

defense, the Attorney General argues that even if the testimony

ran afoul of Sanchez, the defendant invited the error and cannot

be heard now to complain. We need not reach this argument

because, as explained post, Rienhardt did not relate case-specific

hearsay, and, as such, there was no Sanchez error.

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in the criminalist’s field. The facts disclosed by the database,

and conveyed by Rienhardt, are “about what [any generic] pills

containing certain chemicals look like.” (Veamatahau, supra,

24 Cal.App.5th at p. 75, fn. omitted.) The database revealed

nothing about “the particular events . . . in the case being tried,”

i.e., the particular pills that Sergeant Simmont seized from

defendant. (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 676.) Any

information about the specific pills seized from defendant came

from Rienhardt’s personal observation (that they contained the

logos “GG32 — or 249”) and his ultimate opinion (that they

contained alprazolam), not from the database. In short,

information from the database is not case specific but is the kind

of background information experts have traditionally been able

to rely on and relate to the jury. (See Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th

at pp. 685-686; People v. Garton (2018) 4 Cal.5th 485, 506-507;

People v. Anthony (2019) 32 Cal.App.5th 1102, 1131; People v.

Espinoza (2018) 23 Cal.App.5th 317, 321 (Espinoza); People v.

Blessett (2018) 22 Cal.App.5th 903, 943; Iraheta, supra,

14 Cal.App.5th at p.1243; Vega-Robles, supra, 9 Cal.App.5th at

p. 408; Meraz, supra, 6 Cal.App.5th at pp. 1174-1175.)

An example we gave in Sanchez illustrates this point. In

Sanchez, we said, “[t]hat an associate of the defendant had a

diamond tattooed on his arm would be a case-specific fact that

could be established by a witness who saw the tattoo, or by an

authenticated photograph. That the diamond is a symbol

adopted by a given street gang would be background

information about which a gang expert could testify. The expert

could also be allowed to give an opinion that the presence of a

diamond tattoo shows the person belongs to the gang.”

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(Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 677.)3 The example may be

readily analogized to the case at hand. Just as information that

diamonds are a symbol of a certain gang is background

knowledge, information that the designation “GG32 — or 249”

engraved on pharmaceutical tablets indicates that the tablets

contain alprazolam is “background information about which a[n]

. . . expert could testify.” (Ibid.) To be sure, street gangs and

the symbols they use might or might not be the kind of

information stored in a searchable database. Yet the location of

a piece of information cannot change its nature. Simply because

an expert obtained information from a database — instead of,

say, a list of gang symbols maintained by a law enforcement

3

Defendant contends that the examples we used in Sanchez

were mere “dicta.” He suggests that we disregard these

examples, because, despite what we said, “[I]t is not at all clear

that the gang’s use of diamond tattoos can be defined as a non-

case specific fact.” Defendant is mistaken. We meant what we

said in Sanchez, including what we said in this particular

example: the fact that a “diamond is a symbol adopted by a

given street gang [is] background information.” (Sanchez,

supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 677.) Hence, it is necessarily not case

specific. This is true regardless of whether the expert learned

of the symbol, as defendant puts it, by consulting a specific

database, talking to “a single gang member,” or by “debrief[ing]

seven members of the gang in question,” “interview[ing] [an

unspecific number of] rival gang members,” and attending “gang

seminars.”

Of course, the type or number of sources that an expert

relies on may affect the reliability of his testimony. However, as

the Attorney General points out, concerns about “reliability and

accuracy” are “a separate issue from whether the material

constituted case-specific hearsay.” We address defendant’s

arguments about reliability post.

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agency — does not metamorphose that information from

background knowledge into case-specific facts.

Defendant resists this conclusion, arguing that

information obtained from a specific database cannot be

background knowledge. According to defendant, background or

general knowledge refers to “overall knowledge acquired from

sources too numerous to distinguish and quantify.” Because

“[a]n expert’s general background knowledge is the commingled

result of experience and educational hearsay that is

impracticable to disentangle,” experts relating background

knowledge “likely could not cite the specific textbook . . . or the

particular lecture . . . from which they garnered their

knowledge.” Conversely, defendant argues, when experts name

“specific sources consulted . . . for a particular case,” they are not

relating general knowledge but case-specific hearsay.

We reject defendant’s crabbed view of expert knowledge.

Defendant makes his assertion without any analysis of the

relevant provisions of the Evidence Code or the longstanding

common law on which they are based. (Cal. Law Revision Com.

com., 29B pt. 3A West’s Ann. Evid. Code (2009 ed.) foll. § 801,

pp. 25-26; id., foll. § 802, pp. 142-143.) More to the point, we do

not see how expert witnesses are doing something other than

making use of their expertise when they rely on their “special

knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education” to

(1) select a source to consult, (2) digest the information from that

source, (3) form an opinion about the reliability of the source

based on their experience in the field, and (4) apply the

information garnered from the source to the (independently

established) facts of a particular case. (§§ 801, 802.) Without

suggesting that this is (or needs to be) the process underlying

every instance of expert testimony, we think that when experts

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engage in such an inquiry, they are drawing upon their “special

knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education” to form an

opinion about the case. (Ibid.) Under our evidentiary law,

experts may make such use of their knowledge— and may tell

the jury that they did so. (§§ 801, 802.) In other words, it is not

only when experts rely on the “amorphous” “commingled result

of experience and education[]” (to quote defendant) that the

testimony is considered as supplying general knowledge.

Again, the examples we used in Sanchez shed light on the

matter. There we said that general background information

encompasses the following: (1) in an automobile accident case,

“that a given equation can be used to estimate speed based on

[skid] marks”; (2) in a case involving suspected foul play, the

“circumstances [that] might cause . . . hemorrhaging” in the

eyes; and (3) in a personal injury case, the “potential long-term

effects” of a serious head injury. (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at

p. 677.) Examining each of these types of information, we

observe that the relevant equation and the fact that it can “be

used to estimate speed” may be found in physics textbooks,

circumstances causing hemorrhaging in medical treatises, and

the long term effects of an injury in research papers. (Ibid.) As

these examples make clear, an expert may consult specific

sources in a case — a textbook, a treatise, or an academic paper

— and supply the information found therein to the jury as

background information without running afoul of the hearsay

rules.

Subdivision (b) of section 721 reinforces this point. Section

721 sets forth the scope of cross-examination of expert

witnesses. In pertinent part, it provides that “[i]f a witness

testifying as an expert testifies in the form of an opinion,” the

witness may “be cross-examined in regard to the content or

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tenor of any scientific, technical, or professional text, treatise,

journal, or similar publication” so long as “[t]he witness referred

to, considered, or relied upon such publication in arriving at or

forming his or her opinions.” (§ 721, subd. (b).) Section 721 thus

illuminates the kind of information that is admissible: an expert

witness may “refer[] to, consider[], or rel[y] upon” “any scientific,

technical, or professional text, treatise, journal, or similar

publication” and may expect to be cross-examined “in regard to

the content or tenor” of any such publication. (Ibid.)

Accordingly, specific references and their “content or tenor” are

not inadmissible merely because they are specific. (Ibid.)

Insofar as defendant argues that specific reference sources

constitute background information only if the expert happened

to know the information off-hand and did not review the source

materials in preparing for a particular case, we reject the

argument. It is untenable that the same information would be

background knowledge when conveyed by one expert but case-

specific information when provided by another solely because

one of the experts consulted a resource containing that

information before testifying. We cannot accept a framework

under which the standard for admitting expert testimony would,

as the Attorney General says, “turn on the expert’s memory

rather than on the reliability of the underlying material.”

To reiterate, the relevant hearsay analysis under Sanchez

is whether the expert is relating general or case-specific out-of-

court statements. The focus of the inquiry is on the information

conveyed by the expert’s testimony, not how the expert came to

learn of such information. Thus, regardless of whether an

expert testified to certain facts based on composite knowledge

“acquired from sources too numerous to distinguish and

quantify” or if the expert simply looked up the facts in a specific

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reference as part of his or her duties in a particular case, the

facts remain the same. The background or case-specific

character of the information does not change because of the

source from which an expert acquired his or her knowledge.

Defendant also seeks to rely on Stamps, supra,

3 Cal.App.5th 988. In that case, the prosecution’s expert had

identified pills recovered from the defendant “as oxycodone and

dihydrocodeinone based solely on a visual comparison of the

seized pills to those displayed on the Ident-A-Drug Web site.”

(Stamps, supra, 3 Cal.App.5th at p. 991.) The Court of Appeal

found that the expert’s testimony was inadmissible hearsay

because the “Ident-A-Drug content . . . was case specific.” (Id. at

p. 997.) The court explained its reasoning in succinct terms,

stating, “We think it undeniable that the chemical composition

of the pills Stamps possessed must be considered case specific.

Indeed, the Ident-A-Drug hearsay was admitted as proof of the

very gravamen of the crime with which she was charged. . . .

That being true, our hearsay analysis is at an end.” (Ibid.)

We are not persuaded.4 Simply because the Ident-A-Drug

web site served as the basis for the expert’s ultimate opinion

does not make information from the site case-specific. The

expert’s opinion that the seized pills were prescription opioids

was not hearsay and not otherwise objectionable. (§ 805

[“Testimony in the form of an opinion that is otherwise

admissible is not objectionable because it embraces the ultimate

issue to be decided by the trier of fact”].) Information from the

Ident-A-Drug database — that pills matching a certain

description contain opioids — was hearsay but not case-specific.

4

We disapprove of People v. Stamps, 3 Cal. App. 5th 988, to

the extent it is inconsistent with our opinion.

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It is no more case-specific than if an expert divulged the

equation — into which she entered the length of the skid marks

she measured at the scene of the accident — to come to the

conclusion that a defendant was traveling at the speed of 100

miles per hour before the crash. (See Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th

at p. 677.)

Defendant further contends that the existence of other

statutory exceptions to the hearsay rule — specifically Evidence

Code section 1340 — “suggests that [] information included in a

database is not part of the expert’s general knowledge.” Section

1340 provides that a statement “contained in a tabulation, list,

directory, register, or other published compilation is not made

inadmissible by the hearsay rule if the compilation is generally

used and relied upon as accurate in the course of a business.”

Because section 1340 arguably may cover Rienhardt’s testimony

regarding the database, defendant contends that the existence

of the section means that the testimony cannot qualify as

permissible testimony under sections 801 and 802.

As the Attorney General points out, however, “evidence is

often admissible under more than one theory.” Thus, the

existence of one statutory provision allowing for admission of a

piece of evidence does not preclude that evidence from being

admitted under a different provision. (See, e.g., Cal. Law

Revision Com. com., 29B pt. 5 West’s Ann. Evid. Code (2015 ed.)

foll. § 1280, p. 48 [“The evidence that is admissible under this

section is also admissible under Section 1271, the business

records exception”]; People v. Clark (2016) 63 Cal.4th 522, 563

[“defendant presupposes that the only basis for admitting any of

Yancey’s statements was through Evidence Code section 1223,

the coconspirator hearsay exception. But defendant fails to

appreciate the point . . . that many, if not most, of Yancey’s

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statements were also admissible as nonhearsay.”]; People v.

Karis (1988) 46 Cal.3d 612, 635, italics added [“The ruling [to

admit testimony] must be upheld if the evidence was admissible

under any hearsay exception”]; People v. Nelson (2012) 209

Cal.App.4th 698, 710, fn. omitted [“ ‘Hospital . . . records . . . fall

within the umbrella of the business record exception [of section

1271].’ [Citations.] [Such] records may also qualify as public

records under section 1280”].) In this case, we are not persuaded

that the existence of section 1340 bars Rienhardt’s statements

from being admitted under sections 801 and 802. 5

Finally, defendant cites policy reasons for treating sources

“consulted by an expert as case-specific hearsay rather than as

general background knowledge.” Defendant asserts that only if

“the consulted sources are . . . treated as [case-specific] hearsay,”

would “the trial court . . . be able to vet the reliability of the

sources before the hearsay is presented to the jury.” If the

information is instead considered a “part of the expert’s general

knowledge,” the vetting process would be “undercut” because

the expert would be permitted to “essentially vouch for the

reliability of a source.”

Defendant’s argument paints a false dichotomy. In fact,

in law, and in practice, testimony admitted under sections 801

5

Because we find that Rienhardt did not relate

inadmissible case-specific hearsay, we do not reach the

argument concerning whether the testimony would also have

been admissible under section 1340. We thus take no position

on cases that have weighed in on this issue. (See People v.

Mooring (2017) 15 Cal.App.5th 928, 941 [“We conclude the

Ident-A-Drug Web site comes within the published compilation

exception to the hearsay rule codified in Evidence Code section

1340”]; Espinoza, supra, 23 Cal.App.5th at p. 321 [same].)

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or 802 of the Evidence Code is subject to scrutiny on reliability

grounds by the court and opposing counsel. Section 801 specifies

that the “matter” on which an expert relies must be “of a type

that reasonably may be relied upon by an expert in forming an

opinion upon the subject to which his testimony relates.” (§ 801,

subd. (b).) Thus, an expert must establish that the basis for his

or her opinion is sufficiently reliable such that it “reasonably

may be relied upon” by experts testifying on the same subject.

(See Cal. Law Revision Com. com., 29B pt. 3A West’s Ann. Evid.

Code, supra, foll. § 801, p. 26 [stating that this requirement

“assures the reliability and trustworthiness of the information

used by experts in forming their opinions”]; Sargon Enterprises,

Inc. v. University of Southern California (2012) 55 Cal.4th 747,

770 (Sargon) [“Comments of a commission that proposed a

statute are entitled to substantial weight in construing the

statute”].) Rienhardt satisfied this requirement by averring

that his use of the database was “the generally accepted method

of testing for this kind of substance in the scientific community.”

Defendant could have objected to or otherwise challenged

this assertion. (See § 721, subd. (a).) Had he done so, he could

have subjected the testimony to the trial court’s critical

examination. Pursuant to section 802, “[t]he court in its

discretion may require that a witness before testifying in the

form of an opinion be first examined concerning the matter upon

which his opinion is based.” Furthermore, “[t]he court may, and

upon objection shall, exclude testimony in the form of an opinion

that is based in whole or in significant part on matter that is not

a proper basis for such an opinion.” (§ 803; see also § 402, subd.

(b) [providing a procedure to determine “the question of the

admissibility of evidence out of the presence or hearing of the

jury”].) In short, regardless of whether an expert’s testimony is

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treated as supplying general information or case-specific facts,

the courts are fully empowered to “vet the reliability of the

sources” underpinning that testimony. (See Sargon, supra,

55 Cal.4th at pp. 770-772.)

Defendant glosses over the court’s gatekeeping power.

Instead, he asserts that the reliability of “reference materials

consulted by the expert for a particular case . . . cannot be

tested” and, therefore, testimony relying on such materials

“cannot fall within the background knowledge exception.” To

build his case, defendant constructs what he calls the “surrogate

problem.” According to defendant, when an expert consults a

reference guide, “the expert witness is not actually the expert

providing the expertise.” “Rather, the expert [witness] is acting

as a surrogate conveying the expertise of someone else — the

author of the reference source.” As such, there can be no

“assurance of the reliability” of the surrogate statement.

We disagree. Simply because an expert is relying on

information supplied by “someone else” does not mean the

trustworthiness of that information cannot be explored through

examination. Most directly, that “someone else” “may be called

and examined” by the defendant if he so chooses. (§ 804, subd.

(a) [“If a witness testifying as an expert testifies that his opinion

is based in whole or in part upon the opinion or statement of

another person, such other person may be called and examined

by any adverse party as if under cross-examination concerning

the opinion or statement”]; see also id., subd. (d) [“An expert

opinion otherwise admissible is not made inadmissible by this

section because it is based on the opinion or statement of a

person who is unavailable for examination pursuant to this

section”].) More indirectly, an expert may be examined

regarding her belief about the reliability of the information upon

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which she bases her opinion. If the expert professes to know

little about the source material or cannot explain why it is a

credible fount on which to rest the proffered testimony, that

would be a basis for the party opponent to discredit the

testimony (via cross-examination or by offering its own expert)

or for the trial court to exclude it.

Reliability probes are also not the only tool a trial court

has to exclude improper expert testimony. Should an expert

attempt to take the stand and do nothing more than regurgitate

information from another source without applying any of his or

her own expertise, as defendant claims a “surrogate” expert may

do, the court need not stand idly by. Instead, the court may

subject the expert to a hearing, outside the presence of the jury,

to preview his or her testimony. (See § 402.) During the

hearing, the court may probe the expert’s qualifications. Under

section 720, “[a] person is qualified to testify as an expert” only

if he or she “has special knowledge, skill, experience, training,

or education sufficient to qualify him as an expert on the subject

to which his testimony relates.” (§ 720, subd. (a).) Accordingly,

if an expert is merely parroting hearsay information without

understanding the information or otherwise providing

explanation to “assist the trier of fact,” the so-called expert can

be prohibited from testifying altogether. (§ 801, subd. (a); accord

Williams v. Illinois (2012) 567 U.S. 50, 80 (plur. opn.) [“trial

courts can screen out experts who would act as mere conduits

for hearsay by strictly enforcing the requirement that experts

display some genuine ‘scientific, technical, or other specialized

knowledge [that] will help the trier of fact to understand the

evidence or to determine a fact in issue’ ”]; Mosesian v. Pennwalt

Corp. (1987) 191 Cal.App.3d 851, 862 [“There is a point . . . at

which an expert’s opinion that is based entirely upon or

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substantially upon other opinions would conceivably be

worthless. This would occur when, in effect, the expert begins

to stray outside his or her subject area of expertise.”].)

In addition, the court has authority under section 352 to

impose reasonable limits on an expert’s testimony. (See, e.g.,

People v. Richardson (2008) 43 Cal.4th 959, 1008 [noting that

the trial court’s authority under section 352 “extends to the

admission or exclusion of expert testimony”].) If the court

believes an expert is unduly consuming time, improperly

seeking to impress the jury with someone else’s expertise, or

otherwise “creat[ing] substantial danger of . . . confusing the

issues, or of misleading the jury,” the court may curtail an

expert’s testimony — for instance, by limiting how much of a

hearsay source an expert can relate to the factfinder. (§ 352.)

Defendant in this case did not avail himself of any of these

protections offered by the Evidence Code, choosing instead to

rely on his closing statements to cast doubt on the reliability of

the drug identification procedure. 6 Yet simply because

6

Defendant did request that the trial court instruct the jury

with CALCRIM 332 concerning expert witness testimony, and

the court did so. Accordingly, the court told the jury: “You must

consider the opinions, but you are not required to accept them

as true or correct. . . . You must decide whether information on

which the expert relied was true and accurate. You may

disregard any opinion that you find unbelievable, unreasonable,

or unsupported by the evidence.” The jury was thus informed

that it may disregard Rienhardt’s opinion if it found the opinion

unreliable.

As the above makes clear, it is the jury’s role to decide the

weight to accord to the expert testimony and “courts must . . . be

cautious in excluding expert testimony” so as not to usurp that

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defendant did not test Rienhardt’s testimony — offering no voir

dire of the expert, no probing question about the acceptability of

his methodology, and no cross-examination regarding the

reliability of the database itself — does not mean the mechanism

to do so is absent.

In short, the asserted “surrogate problem” offers no reason

for us to treat general knowledge as anything but what it is. In

the context of cases such as this one, if no chemical testing has

been performed, the defense can poke holes in the prosecution’s

case on that basis and argue reliability, or lack thereof, to the

jury, as happened here. What the defense cannot do is claim

that the expert’s testimony concerning the identification

procedure he followed in lieu of chemical testing should be

excluded on hearsay grounds merely because the defense did not

scrutinize the reliability of said procedure.

For these reasons, we reject defendant’s arguments.

Consistent with our statutory rules of evidence and case law, we

hold that Rienhardt related no inadmissible case-specific

hearsay in testifying to the contents of a drug identification

database.

B. Whether Substantial Evidence Supports

Defendant’s Conviction

Independent of the admissibility of Rienhardt’s testimony,

defendant claims the trial court erred in denying his motion for

role. (Sargon, supra, 55 Cal.4th at p. 772.) Although “ ‘[t]here

is no bright line that divides evidence worthy of consideration

by a jury . . . from evidence that is not,’ ” many of defendant’s

arguments concerning reliability may be better understood as

directed at the weight of the expert testimony, not its

admissibility. (Id. at p. 769.)

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acquittal pursuant to Penal Code section 1118.1. (See Pen.

Code, § 1118.1 [“In a case tried before a jury, the court on motion

of the defendant or on its own motion, at the close of the evidence

on either side and before the case is submitted to the jury for

decision, shall order the entry of a judgment of acquittal of one

or more of the offenses charged . . . if the evidence then before

the court is insufficient to sustain a conviction of such offense or

offenses on appeal”].)

We review the denial of a section 1118.1 motion using the

same standard “employed in reviewing the sufficiency of the

evidence to support a conviction.” (People v. Houston (2012) 54

Cal.4th 1186, 1215 (Houston).) We thus examine “ ‘the entire

record in the light most favorable to the judgment’ ” to

determine whether it discloses substantial evidence —

“ ‘evidence that is reasonable, credible, and of solid value’ ” —

“ ‘from which a reasonable trier of fact could find the defendant

guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.’ ” (People v. Gomez (2018) 6

Cal.5th 243, 278 (Gomez).) Our review “ ‘ “presume[s] in support

of the judgment the existence of every fact the jury could

reasonably have deduced from the evidence.” ’ [Citation.] Even

where, as here, the evidence of guilt is largely circumstantial,

our task is not to resolve credibility issues or evidentiary

conflicts, nor is it to inquire whether the evidence might ‘ “ ‘be

reasonably reconciled with the defendant’s innocence.’ ” ’ ”

(Ibid.) Instead, we ask whether there is “ ‘ “substantial evidence

of the existence of each element of the offense charged” ’ ” such

that any rational jury may have convicted defendant. (Id. at

p. 307.)

In this case, defendant contests only one element of the

misdemeanor possession charge: that the pills he possessed

actually contained the controlled substance alprazolam. We

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have concluded that Rienhardt was properly allowed to give his

opinion to that effect. In addition, our case law is clear that the

element may be established by circumstantial evidence — that

is, by evidence other than direct, chemical testing. (People v.

Francis (1969) 71 Cal.2d 66, 72 [“the narcotic character of a

substance may, of course, be proved by circumstantial

evidence”]; People v. Palaschak (1995) 9 Cal.4th 1236, 1242

(Palaschak) [similar]; People v. Sonleitner (1986) 183

Cal.App.3d 364, 369 (Sonleitner) [similar]; People v. Galfund

(1968) 267 Cal.App.2d 317, 320 [similar].)7

We agree with the Court of Appeal that substantial

circumstantial evidence supports defendant’s conviction. In

addition to Rienhardt’s testimony, the jury heard Sergeant

Simmont’s identification of the pills. The sergeant made this

identification twice, once at trial when he referred to the pills by

7

The federal courts are of the same view. (See United

States v. Walters (1st Cir. 1990) 904 F.2d 765, 770 [“Proof based

on scientific analysis or expert testimony is not required to prove

the illicit nature of a substance”]; United States v. Agueci (2d

Cir. 1962) 310 F.2d 817, 828; Griffin v. Spratt (3d Cir. 1992) 969

F.2d 16, 22; United States v. Dolan (4th Cir. 1976) 544 F.2d

1219, 1221; United States v. Osgood (5th Cir. 1986) 794 F.2d

1087, 1095; United States v. Schrock (6th Cir. 1988) 855 F.2d

327, 334; United States v. Coleman (7th Cir. 1999) 179 F.3d

1056, 1060; United States v. Westbrook (8th Cir. 1990) 896 F.2d

330, 336; United States v. Durham (9th Cir. 2006) 464 F.3d 976,

984; United States v. Sanchez De Fundora (10th Cir. 1990) 893

F.2d 1173, 1175; United States v. Harrell (11th Cir. 1984) 737

F.2d 971, 978; Vest v. United States (D.C. 2006) 905 A.2d 263,

267; see also Jones v. Commonwealth (Ky. 2011) 331 S.W.3d 249,

253 [“courts around the nation have uniformly held that

circumstantial evidence is enough to sustain a conviction for an

offense involving a controlled substance”]; State v. Harris (La.

2003) 846 So.2d 709, 713 [similar].)

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the brand name of Xanax and once during the interrogation

when he referred to them as Xanibars. Sergeant Simmont is an

experienced police officer, with experience in narcotics

investigation, and a rational jury could credit his testimony that

defendant possessed Xanax, or more formally, alprazolam. (See

People v. Bailey (1991) 1 Cal.App.4th 459, 462-463 (Bailey)

[concluding that a trained narcotics officer’s “testimony

establishes that the substance in question was cocaine base”];

Sonleitner, supra, 183 Cal.App.3d at pp. 369-370 [“the nature of

a substance . . . may be proved . . . by the expert opinion of the

arresting officer”]; People v. Marinos (1968) 260 Cal.App.2d 735,

738-739 [“In the case at bench the officer who testified had had

many years of experience in the business, his testimony was not

objected to, he said that in his opinion the cigarette smoked by

appellant contained marijuana. . . . [¶] We cannot say as a

matter of law that there was not substantial evidence to support

the finding that appellant possessed marijuana”]; State v. Carter

(La.Ct.App. 2008) 981 So.2d 734, 744-745 (Carter) [discerning

sufficient evidence “from which the jury could find beyond a

reasonable doubt that the pills at issue were identified as

hydrocodone” when, along with a criminalist’s testimony, a

detective testified “that he had seen similar pills in the past as

part of his job and that the pills at issue were hydrocodone

pills”].)

The jury also heard defendant’s admission. When

questioned about the “the pills that [he] had, the bars[,] the

Xanibars,” defendant said, “I take those.” Defendant admitted

that he had taken “a lot” of the pills and that they helped him

“feel good.” Defendant’s own statements constituted

“ ‘reasonable, credible, and of solid value’ ” evidence that the

pills are “Xanibars,” or the controlled substance alprazolam.

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(Gomez, supra, 6 Cal.5th at p. 278; see Palaschak, supra,

9 Cal.4th at p. 1242 [crediting as part of the evidence against

the defendant the fact that “[o]n being arrested, defendant

readily admitted ingesting the drug [LSD]”]; People v. Williams

(1971) 5 Cal.3d 211, 216 [“knowledge of the character of

dangerous drugs or narcotics may be shown by acts or

declarations of the accused”].)

Defendant protests that this evidence shows only that

defendant “believed he possessed ‘Xanibar.’ ” This is

insubstantial, according to defendant, because “[t]here was no

testimony that Xanibar and Xanax are synonymous.” But on

review of a sufficiency of the evidence claim, we draw every

reasonable inference in support of the verdict. (E.g., Houston,

supra, 54 Cal.4th at p. 1215.) In light of Sergeant Simmont’s

use of the term “Xanibars” and “Xanax” to refer to the same pills,

a rational jury could have drawn the inference that both are

names for the controlled substance alprazolam. Defendant

further argues that he may have been mistaken in his belief that

he had been taking alprazolam, because “counterfeit drugs are

typically sold on the street to unsuspecting users who believe

they are real.” Although that might have been possible, such an

argument “simply present[s] one interpretation of the

evidence”;8 it does not suggest that a reasonable jury could not

“draw the opposite inference from the evidence.” (Gomez, supra,

6 Cal.5th at p. 308.) Put differently, a reasonable jury was not

8

As discussed further post, defendant did not urge such an

interpretation at trial. Defendant never mentioned “counterfeit

drugs,” the typicality or frequency at which they are “sold on the

street,” the ubiquity of “unsuspecting users who believe they are

real,” or otherwise attempted to negate his adoptive admission

before the jury.

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precluded from taking defendant’s candid confession at face

value — that defendant acquired what he identified as

alprazolam, took it, and felt good because the drug was indeed

alprazolam. In sum, defendant’s own statement — along with

the testimony of an experienced police officer and a criminalist

— provides substantial evidence that defendant possessed the

controlled substance alprazolam.

In contesting the above, defendant draws our attention to

an out-of-jurisdiction case, State v. Ward (2010) 364 N.C. 133

[694 S.E.2d 738]. The court in Ward held that, under North

Carolina’s evidentiary rules, expert testimony relying solely on

visual inspection for drug identification is insufficiently reliable

to be admitted. (Id. at p. 739.) Ward is accordingly a case about

reliability, not sufficiency of the evidence. As defendant never

challenged Rienhardt’s testimony on reliability grounds under

sections 801 or 802 of the California Evidence Code, Ward is

inapposite to the matter at hand.

Although he attempts to rely on Ward, defendant concedes

that he does not “claim that chemical analysis is required in

every case.” When a chemical analysis is not offered, however,

defendant asserts that “because of the prevalence of counterfeit

drugs on the street that do not contain active ingredients,”

“there must be some additional circumstantial evidence in the

record that a particular pill is legitimate.” According to

defendant, had the pills been “found in a prescription bottle or

in a container bearing information about the producer,” then

perhaps “a visual identification [would have been] sufficient.”

But because the pills were found wrapped in cellophane,

defendant suggests that chemical testing was needed. Yet, it is

unclear why a prescription bottle — which may be as easily

counterfeited as the drugs themselves — should serve as

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sufficient “additional circumstantial evidence” when

defendant’s admission that the pills were “Xanibars” and made

him feel good does not. Because both circumstances tend to

make it less likely that the pills were “counterfeit drugs . . . that

do not contain active ingredients,” we reject defendant’s attempt

to draw a rigid distinction between the two.

Finally, defendant faults Rienhardt for not ruling out the

possibility of counterfeits by testifying, for example, “that the

pills had distinguishing characteristics that differentiated them

from counterfeit pills.” On direct examination, Rienhardt stated

his opinion that the pills contained alprazolam and the basis for

his opinion. He was not required at that point to anticipate and

address possible challenges to the basis of his opinion. In other

words, it was incumbent on defendant to elicit from Rienhardt

whether “the pills had distinguishing characteristics that

differentiated them from counterfeit pills” if he wished the jury

to draw the conclusion that the drugs were counterfeits. This

defendant did not do.

Indeed, defendant did not argue a counterfeit theory at

trial. He did not question either Sergeant Simmont’s testimony

or cast doubt on his own admission that he took “the pills . . . ,

the bars[,] the Xanibars.” At most, he suggested to Rienhardt

that the pills “could be something else,” and Rienhardt

responded with a reason why he did not think the pills were

other than what they appeared to be. Despite Rienhardt’s

response, defendant never followed up by mentioning

counterfeits, “the prevalence of counterfeit drugs on the street,”

or even that the pills may have been purchased on the street.

On this record, the jury evidently rejected the inference that the

pills were something other than what they appeared to be, and

we cannot say as a matter of law this was unreasonable. (Accord

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Vest v. United States (D.C. 2006) 905 A.2d 263, 267-268

[“Appellant’s argument might be more persuasive if there had

been some evidence that the substance sold . . . was not, in fact,

what it was purported to be. Here, there is not even a hint [of]

that”]; Espinoza, supra, 23 Cal.App.5th at p. 323; Bailey, supra,

Cal.App.4th at pp. 464-465 [“The reality of this case is the issue

raised on appeal concerning whether this was base cocaine was

not even the focus of dispute in the trial court”]; contra People v.

Wright (2016) 4 Cal.App.5th 537, 541-544, 547 [reversing a

judgment for lack of substantial evidence when an expert’s

testimony was the only evidence supporting the judgment and

the analytical gap between the material the expert relied upon

and the conclusion he drew was an issue heavily litigated at

trial].)

In sum, having found that the trial court did not err in

admitting the criminalist’s testimony, we further find that his

testimony and other circumstantial evidence support

defendant’s conviction.

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III. DISPOSITION

For the reasons discussed herein, we affirm the judgment

of the Court of Appeal.

CANTIL-SAKAUYE, C. J.

We Concur:

CHIN, J.

CORRIGAN, J.

LIU, J.

CUÉLLAR, J.

KRUGER, J.

GROBAN, J.

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See next page for addresses and telephone numbers for counsel who argued in Supreme Court.

Name of Opinion People v. Veamatahau

__________________________________________________________________________________

Unpublished Opinion

Original Appeal

Original Proceeding

Review Granted XXX 24 Cal.App.5th 68

Rehearing Granted

__________________________________________________________________________________

Opinion No. S249872

Date Filed: February 27, 2020

__________________________________________________________________________________

Court: Superior

County: San Mateo

Judge: Barbara J. Mallach

__________________________________________________________________________________

Counsel:

Cynthia M. Jones, under appointment by the Supreme Court, for Defendant and Appellant.

Mary K. McComb, State Public Defender, Barry P. Helft, Chief Deputy State Public Defender, and

William Whaley, Deputy State Public Defender, for the Office of the State Public Defender as Amicus

Curiae on behalf of Defendant and Appellant.

Xavier Becerra, Attorney General, Gerald A. Engler, Chief Assistant Attorney General, Jeffrey M.

Laurence, Assistant Attorney General, Laurence K. Sullivan, Donna M. Provenzano, Eric D. Share and

Huy T. Luong, Deputy Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.

Counsel who argued in Supreme Court (not intended for publication with opinion):

Cynthia M. Jones

19363 Willamette Dr., #194

West Linn, OR 97068

(858) 793-9800

Donna M. Provenzano

Supervising Deputy Attorney General

455 Golden Gate Avenue, Suite 11000

San Francisco, CA 94102-7004

(415) 510-3844

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