holding that claimants must challenge the accuracy of the VE’s numbers “at some point during administrative proceedings to preserve the challenge on appeal in federal district court”
How later courts described this case
- holding that claimants must challenge the accuracy of the VE’s numbers “at some point during administrative proceedings to preserve the challenge on appeal in federal district court”
- holding that government’s position was substantially justified and denying EAJA fees
Written by the judges who cited it.
The opinion
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF OREGON
VERA S., Ca se No. 6:20-cv-01466-AR
Plaintiff,
ORDER DENYING EAJA FEES
v.
COMMISSIONER SOCIAL SECURITY
ADMINISTRATION,
Defendant.
_____________________________________
ARMISTEAD, Magistrate Judge
Pending before the court is plaintiff Vera S.’s (last name omitted for privacy) application
for attorney fees in the amount of $8,511.02 under the Equal Access to Justice Act (EAJA), 28
U.S.C. § 2412. The Commissioner opposes an award of fees, contending that its position was
substantially justified.1 As explained below, the court agrees with the Commissioner and
plaintiff’s application is denied.
1 All parties have consented to allow a Magistrate Judge to enter final orders and judgment
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BACKGROUND
Plaintiff alleged disability under Title II due to fibromyalgia, epilepsy, and chronic pain
in her lower back, hip, and neck beginning May 8, 2018. (Tr. 33.) In August 2019, an
administrative law judge (ALJ) issued a decision finding plaintiff not disabled. At step five,
relying on testimony from the vocational expert (VE), the ALJ found that jobs exist in significant
numbers that plaintiff can perform, including three representative occupations: Assembler
Electrical Accessories, Assembler Small Parts, and Garment Sorter with approximately 80,000
positions, 25,000 positions, and 30,000 positions in the national economy, respectively. (Tr. at
23-24, 48.) At the hearing, plaintiff’s attorney asked the VE about the source of his job numbers,
to which the VE responded, “Job Browser Pro.” (Tr. 49-50.) Plaintiff’s counsel asked where Job
Browser Pro obtains their numbers, to which the VE responded from the U.S. Bureau of Labor.
(Id.)
Plaintiff requested review of the ALJ’s decision by the Appeals Council. Plaintiff’s
attorney submitted briefing that challenged the ALJ’s step-five findings, arguing that the 2018
Job Browser Pro data software reveals that Assembler Electrical Accessories job has 274
positions in the national economy, the Assembler Small Parts job has 1,209 positions in the
national economy, and the Garment Sorter job has only eight positions in the national economy,
for a total of 1,491 positions. (Tr. 282-83.) Plaintiff also submitted evidence that consisted of
printouts of job descriptions and job numbers that plaintiff’s attorney stated were compiled using
2018 Job Browser Pro. (Tr. 284-89.) Plaintiff argued that the 1,491 total jobs in the national
in this case under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 73 and 28 U.S.C. § 636(c). The Opinion and
Order affirming the ALJ’s decision was written by Magistrate John V. Acosta. On November 30,
2022, this case was reassigned to this court. (Notice of Case Reassignment, ECF No. 28.)
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economy falls below a significant number at step five and that the Appeals Council should award
benefits or remand the case for further proceedings. (Tr. 283.) On June 20, 2020, the Appeals
Council denied plaintiff’s request for review, stating that the reasons submitted “do not provide a
basis for changing the [ALJ’s] decision.” (Tr. at 1-2.)
Plaintiff timely sought review of the Commissioner’s decision in district court. Plaintiff
alleged that the ALJ erred in four ways: (1) evaluating her subjective symptom testimony; (2)
failing to consider Listing 14.09D for fibromyalgia at step three; (3) the VE did not identify a
significant number of number of jobs existing in the national economy at step five; and (4) the
ALJ’s step-five findings were not supported by substantial evidence. On December 21, 2021,
Judge Acosta affirmed the ALJ’s decision. (Op. & Order, ECF No 16.) As relevant here, plaintiff
argued that, when the representative occupations’ job numbers are calculated using 2018 Job
Browser Pro data, the Assembler Electrical Accessories job lists only 5,323 positions
nationwide,2 the Assembler Small Parts job lists 1,209 positions nationwide, and the Garment
Sorter job lists eight positions nationwide, for a total of 6,450 jobs in the national economy that
plaintiff could perform. Plaintiff posited that 6,450 jobs in the national economy fall below a
significant number and that she is therefore disabled. (Pl.’s Br. at 13-16, ECF No. 12.) Plaintiff
also contended that, when the evidence she submitted to the Appeals Council was considered,
her numbers undermined those from the VE (6,450 jobs versus 135,000 jobs), the VE’s
2 There is a discrepancy between the numbers supplied by plaintiff to the Appeals Council
and to district court for the Assembler Electrical Accessories job (274 positions versus 5,323
positions). (Tr. 283, 289; Pl.’s Br. at 14, ECF No. 12.) The discrepancy is not material to the
court’s discussion about substantial justification.
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testimony was not supported by substantial evidence, and remanding for an award of benefits or
further proceedings was appropriate. (Id. at 15-16.)
Judge Acosta disagreed, holding that plaintiff did not challenge the VE’s testimony and
“fail[ed] to raise the possibility of any contrary evidence in the proceedings before the ALJ.”
(Op. & Order at 17-18.) Although plaintiff’s attorney asked the VE about the source of the job
numbers, her attorney did not “challenge the numbers themselves.” See Shaibi v. Berryhill, 883
F.3d 1102, 1110 (9th Cir. 2017) (holding that claimants must challenge the accuracy of the VE’s
numbers “at some point during administrative proceedings to preserve the challenge on appeal in
federal district court”). Judge Acosta determined that, because plaintiff did not “challenge the
accuracy of the vocational expert’s testimony” at the hearing, she “forfeit[ed] the challenge on
appeal.” (Op. & Order, at 17-18.) Plaintiff appealed that ruling to the Ninth Circuit Court of
Appeals. (Notice of Appeal, ECF No. 18.)
While plaintiff’s appeal was pending, the Ninth Circuit decided White v. Kijakazi, 44
F.4th 828 (9th Cir. 2022). In White, the Ninth Circuit determined that evidence submitted by a
claimant’s attorney to the Appeals Council in the first instance showing job numbers in the
national economy that varied significantly from the VE’s testimony, yet using the same software
program as the VE, created an inconsistency requiring remand to the ALJ. White, 44 F.4th at
830. On October 20, 2022, the Ninth Circuit granted the parties’ stipulated motion to vacate and
to remand the case for further administrative proceedings. (Order, ECF No. 20.)
On November 21, 2022, plaintiff filed an application for attorney fees under the EAJA.
(App. EAJA Fees, ECF No. 21.) The Commissioner opposes an award of attorney fees because:
(1) the Ninth Circuit’s Order remanding the case states that the parties “shall bear their own costs
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and fees”; (2) the Commissioner’s position was substantially justified at the time the decisions
were rendered; and (3) the requested amount of fees is unreasonable. (Def.’s Resp. at 3, 9, ECF
No. 29.) On December 21, 2022, plaintiff filed a reply (ECF No. 31), which the Commissioner
moves to strike because plaintiff seeks additional fees which must be supported by a separate
filing under Local Rule 7-1(b), and because plaintiff failed to confer properly about the
additional fees under Local Rule 7-1(a). (Def.’s Mot. Strike at 2-3, ECF No. 32.)
LEGAL STANDARDS
The EAJA permits a court to award attorney fees and expenses to a prevailing party in an
action brought against the United States “unless the court finds the position of the United States
is substantially justified or that special circumstances make an award unjust.” 28 U.S.C. §
2412(d)(1)(A); Comm’r, I.N.S. v. Jean, 496 U.S. 154, 158 (1990). “The government has the
burden of showing that its position was substantially justified.” Gardner v. Berryhill, 856 F.3d
652, 656 (9th Cir. 2017); Meier v. Colvin, 727 F.3d 867, 870 (9th Cir. 2017). Substantial
justification means “justified in substance or in the main – that is, justified to a degree that could
satisfy a reasonable person.” Pierce v. Underwood, 487 U.S. 552, 565 (1988). To be
substantially justified, the government’s position must have “a reasonable basis both in law and
fact.” Meier, 727 F.3d at 870. “The test is not whether the government was correct, but whether
it was for the most part justified in taking the position that it did. A position that was not contrary
to clearly established law is thus substantially justified.” Meza-Vazquesz v. Garland, 993 F.3d
726, 729 (9th Cir. 2021) (simplified).
“The position of the United States includes both the government’s litigation position and
the underlying agency action.” Campbell v. Astrue, 736 F.3d 867, 868 (9th Cir. 2013). “In the
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social security context, we have consistently treated the ALJ’s decision as the ‘action or failure
to act by the agency upon which the civil action is based[.]’” Meier, 727 F.3d at 870. When
examining substantial justification, the court considers the case “as an inclusive whole” and
makes a “single finding.” Ibrahim v. U.S. Dep’t of Homeland Sec., 912 F.3d 1147, 1153 (9th Cir.
2019).
The Ninth Circuit has discussed the application of substantial justification in the context
of the government’s voluntary remand for further agency action. Meza-Vazquez, 993 F.3d at 729;
Li v Keisler, 505 F.3d 913, 919 (9th Cir. 2007). “When the government seeks a voluntary
remand, we evaluate substantial justification based on whether the request was motivated by
‘subsequent, novel considerations,’ which undercut a previously justified agency action.” Id.
(quoting Li, 505 F.3d at 919). In such situations, if the Commissioner’s decisions “were not
contrary to controlling law at the time the decisions were rendered, and intervening case law has
undercut the basis for those decisions, the government’s position was and is substantially
justified.” Id. The Ninth Circuit explained that that rationale ensures the government is not
penalized for seeking a remand when “‘intervening case law or new facts have legitimately
rendered the underlying result legally suspect or otherwise unjust.’” Id. (quoting Li, 505 F.3d at
920).
DISCUSSION
A. The Ninth Circuit’s Order
The Commissioner moves to deny the EAJA fee application based on the Ninth Circuit’s
October 20, 2022 Order granting the parties’ stipulated motion to remand that states that the
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parties “shall bear their own costs and fees.” (Order, ECF No. 20.) In the Commissioner’s view,
that Order precludes an award of fees under the EAJA.
After plaintiff filed her application for EAJA fees in this court, she filed a motion in the
Ninth Circuit seeking to withdraw or modify the Order to remove the language referring to fees
and asked this court to stay any decision pending resolution of her motion with the Ninth Circuit.
(Pl.’s Reply at 6, ECF No. 31.) Subsequently, the Ninth Circuit issued a clarification, stating that
“nothing in our October 20, 2022 order should be construed as limiting Sweat’s ability to seek
attorney fees” and noting that fees in the Order referred to those fees identified in appellate rules.
(Order, ECF No. 35.)
With the Ninth Circuit’s clarification, the court concludes that language in the October
2022 Order does not provide a basis for denying plaintiff’s application for fees under the EAJA.
B. The Commissioner’s Position Is Substantially Justified
The parties dispute the import of White and whether it is intervening case law. The
Commissioner contends that, before White, lay evidence submitted to Appeals Council in the
first instance was insufficient to undermine the testimony of the VE on job numbers and that,
consequently, White changed the legal landscape. (Def.’s Resp. at 5.) In the Commissioner’s
view, before White, there was no binding authority holding that the Commissioner was required
to resolve competing job numbers submitted by a claimant’s counsel to the Appeals Council in
the first instance.
Plaintiff remonstrates that the Commissioner’s position in this case is not substantially
justified because White simply applied earlier two earlier Ninth Circuit cases, Buck v. Berryhill,
869 F.3d 1040 (9th Cir. 2017), and Shaibi, 883 F.3d at 1103. Plaintiff argues that Buck
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established that vocational rebuttal evidence must be addressed when it is from the same source
that the VE used and shows a “vast discrepancy” in the numbers, and that Shaibi established that
a claimant must raise a challenge to the accuracy of a VE’s numbers during the administrative
proceedings to preserve the challenge on appeal. In plaintiff’s view, because she met the criteria
of Buck and Shaibi – like the claimant in White – the Appeals Council was obligated to address
her rebuttal evidence under governing law well before the White decision. The Commissioner is
correct that, before the Ninth Circuit’s decision in White, there was a lack of controlling
precedent on whether counsel’s numbers challenging VE testimony submitted to the Appeals
Council in the first instance required remand and its position was substantially justified.
A VE’s testimony is considered “inherently reliable,” and “a qualified vocational expert’s
testimony as to the number of jobs existing in the national economy that a claimant can perform
is ordinarily sufficient by itself to support an ALJ’s step-five finding.” Ford v. Saul, 950 F.3d
1141, 1160 (9th Cir. 2020). Before White, several decisions by the Ninth Circuit and district
courts had determined that lay evidence contesting the VE’s job numbers and submitted to the
Appeals Council in the first instance was insufficient to require remand. For example, in
Kremlingson v. Saul, 800 F. App’x 531, 532-33 (9th Cir. 2020), the Ninth Circuit rejected a step-
five challenge to the VE’s number of jobs available. There, the claimant challenged the VE’s
testimony about the number of jobs available, noting that the claimant failed to submit expert
analysis or a declaration to the ALJ, and at the Appeals Council, submitted “only her lay
interpretation of numbers she found online.” Id. at 533.
In Rochelle S. v. Comm’r Soc. Sec. Admin., Case No. C20-5532-MAT, 2021 WL 252925
(W.D. Wash. Jan. 25, 2021), the claimant submitted expert vocational testimony to the Appeals
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Council in the first instance showing that, using Job Browser Pro software, far fewer jobs were
available in the national economy than the VE reported to the ALJ. On review, the district court
concluded that the claimant’s expert evidence did not undermine the reliability of VE’s
testimony and did not require remand. Id. at *6. Subsequently, the Ninth Circuit affirmed.
Stanley v. Kijakazi, 2022 WL 1153935, at *1 (9th Cir. Apr. 19, 2022) (“[W]e find that Stanley’s
post-hearing evidence does not undermine the ALJ’s determination[.]”).
In Amy Elizabeth L. v. Comm’r Soc. Sec. Admin., Case No. 1:20-cv-01638-CL, 2022 WL
2354580 (D. Or. June 30, 2022), Magistrate Judge Mark D. Clarke rejected a nearly identical
challenge to the VE’s job numbers as presented in this case. Judge Clarke noted that the
claimant’s attorney challenged the VE’s job numbers at the hearing before the ALJ and
submitted evidence to the Appeals Council from Job Browser Pro that showed far fewer job
numbers existed (1,045 versus 174,000 as the VE testified). Id. at *5. Judge Clarke determined
that the claimant did not support her “challenge to the VE’s testimony with any expert analysis
or declaration” and that the court would not credit the claimant’s “lay interpretation of raw
statistical data over the expertise of the VE” and affirmed the ALJ’s decision. Id. at *6.
Subsequently, the Ninth Circuit affirmed the denial of benefits, holding that merely pulling job
numbers from Job Browser Pro for three enumerated jobs was not significant or probative
because the VE testified that the jobs identified were simply “illustrative, and not exhaustive.”
Lloyd v. Kijakazi, 2023 WL 4044415, at *1 (9th Cir. June 16, 2023).
Additionally, while plaintiff’s appeal was pending, the Ninth Circuit decided Kilpatrick v.
Kijakazi, 35 F.4th 1187 (9th Cir. 2022). In Kilpatrick, the Ninth Circuit determined that the
claimant’s counsel’s submission to the Appeals Council providing different national job numbers
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from those of the VE did not qualify as “significant probative evidence.” Id. at 1189. The
Kilpatrick court rejected the claimant’s argument that Buck required a remand:
Unlike in Buck, Kilpatrick’s attorney did not replicate the VE’s same
methodology. It is thus not surprising that Kilpatrick’s different approach led to
different results. And there is no basis to conclude that these results qualified as
significant probative evidence that the ALJ was required specifically to address.
Kilpatrick’s attorney, Mr. Anderson, had no identified expertise in calculating job
figures in the national economy.
Id. at 1194.
As those decisions reveal, both before and after Judge Acosta’s December 2, 2021
Opinion and Order affirming the denial of benefits, there was no clear authority requiring a
remand based on post-hearing submissions by an attorney challenging the VE’s job numbers.
Given that the Kilpatrick court rejected a nearly identical extension of Buck as determined in
White and as advocated by plaintiff, the contention that White should not qualify as intervening
law is not well-taken. The Commissioner’s position during the agency proceedings and during
the district court proceedings was reasonably based in the law. Gonzales v. Free Speech Coal.,
408 F.3d 613, 618-20 (9th Cir. 2005) (“[S]ubstantially justified means there is a dispute over
which reasonable minds could differ.”) (quotation omitted).
Additionally, prior to White, it was unclear if plaintiff needed to raise the job numbers
issue with the ALJ before submitting competing evidence to the Appeals Council. In Shaibi, the
Ninth Circuit explained that a claimant must “raise the job-numbers issue in a general sense
before the ALJ” and request that the administrative record be kept open, and in the absence of
permission, the claimant could submit the conflicting evidence to the Appeals Council. Shaibi,
883 F.3d at 1110. As one district court aptly observed, Shaibi did not resolve whether a claimant
waives the competing job numbers issue if it is not asserted before the ALJ. Shawn P. v.
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Kijakazi, Case No. 20cv1054-MSB, 2021 WL 4460646, at *9 (S.D. Cal. Sept. 29, 2021). The
Shawn P. court noted that “[t]he Ninth Circuit has not published a case on point,” “the
unpublished cases are inconsistent,” and the “[d]istrict court decisions reflect a similar lack of
consensus.” Id. at *9-10 (collecting cases). As noted above, Judge Acosta determined that the
jobs number issue was waived because plaintiff’s attorney asked generally about the source of
the VE’s testimony but did not challenge the accuracy of VE’s testimony during the hearing or
submit any additional evidence to the ALJ that undermined the VE’s testimony. (Op. & Order at
17-18.) It is clear from the inconsistent cases interpreting Shaibi that, before White, reasonable
minds could differ as to whether failing to submit the lay evidence to the ALJ and presenting it to
Appeals Council in the first instance preserved the issue for the district court’s review. Thus, the
Commissioner’s position has a reasonable basis in fact.
Finally, the court is persuaded by the rationale in Shawna Marie H., Case No. 6:21-cv-
00001-JR, 2022 WL 18024955, (D. Or. Dec. 30, 2022), and White v. Comm’r Soc. Sec. Admin.,
Case No. 2:19-cv-01498-AC, 2023 WL 1478016 (E.D. Cal. Feb. 2, 2023), appeal filed (9th Cir.
Mar. 10, 2023). In Shawna Marie H., the court determined that the Commissioner’s position was
substantially justified and denied an award of attorney fees under the EAJA.3 “Plaintiff has not
cited to, and the Court is not aware of, any binding, on-point precedent existing prior to White
suggesting that remand was warranted based on the ALJ’s purported error at step five.” Shawna
Marie H., 2022 WL 18024955, at *3. And in White – after the Ninth Circuit issued the
3 The parties agree that the issues presented in Shawna Marie H. and James A. B. v.
Comm’r Soc. Sec. Admin., Case No. 3:20-cv-01158-AR, are like those here, especially
concerning EAJA fees and whether the Commissioner’s position was substantially justified.
(Pl.’s Reply at 8, ECF No. 31; Def.’s Resp. at 2 n.1, ECF No. 29.)
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intervening decision at issue here — the district court determined that the Commissioner’s
position was substantially justified and denied the claimant’s EAJA attorney fees request. “The
court recognizes that the ‘substantially justified’ exception to EAJA fees has the very unfortunate
effect of depriving counsel of fees when they are perhaps most deserved: instances in which
plaintiffs counsel successfully alters or extends the state of the law on appeal to a Circuit
Court.” White, 2023 WL 1478016, at *3.
Consequently, the Commissioner’s decisions “were not contrary to controlling law at the
time the decisions were rendered, and intervening case law has undercut the basis for those
decisions, the government’s position was and is substantially justified.” Meza-Vazquez, 993 F.3d
at 729 (holding that government’s position was substantially justified and denying EAJA fees).4
CONCLUSION
For the above reasons, plaintiff's application for fees under the EAJA (ECF No. 21) 1s
DENIED. The Commissioner’s motion to strike the reply (ECF No. 32) is DENIED as MOOT.
DATED: August 29, 2023.
le,
United States Magistrate Judge
4 Because the Commissioner’s position was substantially justified, the court declines to
address whether plaintiff's requested amount of fees was reasonable.
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