# Reply Brief — Edwards v. Arizona

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## Record

- **Collection:** Supreme Court brief
- **Document type:** Reply Brief
- **Published:** January 1, 1981
- **Citation:** 451 U.S. 477

## Text

RECEIVED
NOV 2.0 1979

OFFICE OF THE CLERK
SUPREME Court, U.S.

IN THE
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
October Term, 1979

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remember the date, when you picked me up, Mrs.
Williams, in that month, I can say that you don't
remember what date, but can I say did I ever
leave the house, do you remember that?

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1 MR. LINGEMAN: Your Honor, Cadet Guvom big wR a ee
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attention and I ask you to do that because he
‘to not an attorney.

When you do that, keep that in
mind and make him tell you that and make him tell
you what evidence has been introduced in this
case, what has been produced in this courtroom
to refute that. |

He has confessed to the armed
robbery and the armed burglary, and under the law
the Court will give you, he has committed the
You have to understand the law if you are
to follow your oaths. The law that I have just
read to you. You have to find him guilty of all
three offenses unless you believe that Mr. Mungia
died of something else, that this wasn't the cause
of his death. There is just no evidence to
support that. 3

Thank you, very much.

THE COURT: Mr. Edwards, you may make
the closing axgunent. |
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' following: “Defendant did not
confess.")
Ladies and gentlemen of the
jury, I thank you for being patient and consider-

ate and listening to this case.

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we in the statement he introuuce it. from
his mind after he has talked to me and made a
transcript of the statement.

He never presented the statement,
They never presented anything to what a man wrote
up his self on a piece of paper and then he says
I was involved in the crime.

You must take the statement of two.
The statements of evidence that are presented to
you. Must take the evidence that are presented
to hsiairi ladies and gentlemens.

The evidence that you heard from
my own voice, that you heard on tape, that you
heard with voluntarily made, you must take that
all because it was presented as evidence.

And then you must take, and then
the statement that the police alleged against me

was not on tape, was -- was not anywhere, but

not what you call from mine, what I wrote up his

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The State produced a witness that was named, I

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gide that she come and pick me up and we went
/ home and I never left the place. The crime was
supposed to happen that night, but I was there.
She testified to that and she
testified to the fact that I was there and no
one came over. I didn’t even know where.
You must take her testimony under
copsideration and under evidence she testified.
Now, ladies and gentlemens of the
jury, I must talk to you about a person, a person
of what we call a felony-murder rule.
| A felony-murder rule is when a
person dies it's considered murder. ;
A crime have to be committed and
a person must die and this is considered murder.
But, wi see, that never - and
never reasonable, what, we call a reasonable doubt.
It was " yensonahie doubt in that
because the State never proved that the man died
at the scene of the crime. “
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person dled at that scene of the crime was the '

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Esparza who was.a waitress at the bar, she said

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the statement of my whereabouts, where I was with

the same Delores Williams that came up on the

fa I had left her and was arrested
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that she was there, but they never did. ¢
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report that came to you was in evidence.
report came to you in evidence that Mr. Marmion
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I'm just a ising a human being.
Sure enough I'm a black man, but judge me, ladies
and gentlemens, as the evidence has presented to
you, not a person accusations that the D.A. pre-
sented to you, but judge me as a human being and
as all the evidence that has been presented.

And because of these reasons,
ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that all the
evidence I have presented to you as well as the
State, you weigh this evidence that I put on my
defense. Police officer, witnesses of credibility
and my whereabouts. This was my defense.
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5| Of these charges they have towards me because ft : ‘S rae
4| Annocent lies on the basis I have presontod to Bis? ih
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7| weigh that. Eyewitnesses evidence. You must fae ak i
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18! attorney at law, but explain to you that my bythe Hike 4
19| @fense -- and my defense is my innocence as well § : r | re Bete ae
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