# Amicus Curiae Brief — Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Council

> Briefs, arguments, decisions, and more.

URL: https://www.frixlaw.com/law-library/documents/brief%3Amicro_IA40385013_0184%3A05

## Record

- **Collection:** Supreme Court brief
- **Document type:** Amicus Curiae Brief
- **Published:** January 1, 1992
- **Citation:** 505 U.S. 1003

## Text

No. 91-453

In The

Supreme Court of the United States
October Term, 1991
e
DAVID H. LUCAS,

Petitioner,

SOUTH CAROLINA COASTAL COUNCIL,
Respondent.

S

Petition for Writ of Certiorari
to the Supreme Court
of the State of South Carolina

©

BRIEF AMICUS CURIAE OF
PACIFIC LEGAL FOUNDATION IN SUPPORT OF
THE PETITIONER, DAVID H. LUCAS

¢

Ronatp A. ZUMBRUN

*Epwarp J. CoNNok, Jr.
*Counsel of Record

Timotity V. Kassount
Pacific Legal Foundation
2700 Gateway Oaks Drive,

Suite 200

Sacramento, California 95833
Telephone: (916) 641-8888

Attorneys for Amicus Curiae,
Pacific Legal Foundation

CCR KLE LAW BRIFF PRINTING, CO. (0) 225-4004
OR CALL COLLECT 02) 42.2831

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Page
TABLE OF AUTHORITIES CITED.................. ii
INTEREST OF AMICUS CURIAE .................. l
STATEMENT OF THE CASE............c.cceecnees 2
REASONS FOR GRANTING THE WRIT .......... 4

I. THIS COURT HAS NEVER REQUIRED PROP-
ERTY OWNERS TO INVALIDATE LAND USE
REGULATIONS AS A PRECONDITION TO
Ee GE UUEIES oo cds secesscccescccess 4

Il. MUGLER DOES NOT STAND FOR THE PROP-
OSITION THAT THERE IS A “PUBLIC HARM”
OR “NUISANCE” EXCEPTION TO THE JUST
COMPENSATION CLAUSE WHEN A REGULA-
TION RESULTS IN THE DEPRIVATION OF ALL

ECONOMICALLY VIABLE USE............... 6
A. Mugler Was Decided Before Regulatory
Takings Were Recognized................. 7

B. This Court Has Never Insulated Govern-
mental Entities from the Just Compensation
Mandate when Property Owners Suffer a
Complete Deprivation of Economically Via-
MNS SEawERSER Gr sasechdctecrececvencess 9

Il. THE OPINION BELOW DIRECTLY CONFLICTS
WITH A RECENT NINTH CIRCUIT OPINION
WHEREIN THE COURT REFUSED TO INSU-
LATE THE GOVERNMENT FROM A JUST
COMPENSATION CLAIM, EVEN THOUGH
THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS PURPORTEDLY
ENGAGING IN A PUBLIC NUISANCE ....... 13

IV. EVEN IF THERE IS A NUISANCE EXCEPTION
TO THE JUST COMPENSATION CLAUSE, THE
CONSTRUCTION OF A HOUSE IS NOT A
NOXIOUS USE OF PROPERTY................ 14

ide re etiehdetcdeaecencesescnceesees 15

TABLE OF AUTHORITIES CITED

Page
Cases
Agins v. City of Tiburon, 447 U.S. 255 (1980)....... 5,9
Esposito v. South Carolina Coastal Council,
939 F.2d 165 (4th Cir. 1991).............. peceee 14, 15
First English Evangelical Lutheran Church of
Glendale v. County of Los Angeles, 482 U.S. 304
(Per rrrr TT OO —— 5, 6
Goldbiatt v. Hempstead, 369 U.S. 590 (1962)....... 7, 11

Hadacheck v. Sebastian, 239 U.S. 394 (1915) ...6, 7, 10, 14
Hodel v. Virginia Surface Mining and Reclamation

Association, Inc., 452 U.S. 264 (1981)............... 5
Keystone Bituminous Coal Association v.

DeBenedictis, 480 U.S. 470 (1987) ........... 7, 11, 12
McDougal v. County of Imperial, __ F.2d __,

1991 WL 156897 (9th Cir. 1991)................ 13, 14
Miller v. Schoene, 276 U.S. 272 (1928)......... 7, 10, 11

Mugler v. State of Kansas, 123 U.S. 623 (1887) .. passim

Nollan v. California Coastal Commission,

463 US. G25 CIOGDD .... cccccccaecsunee 5, 15
Pennsylvania Coal Co. v. Mahon, 260 U.S. 393
CRGRAD .. ccccccccceccesceuennl 8, 9, 10, 11, 15
Preseault v. Interstate Commerce Commission,
aus. _.. 166 L. BA Be 8 Gio eeee eee 5
STATUTES

S.C. Code Ann. § 48-39-10, et seq. (Law Co-op
| rrr 3

TABLE OF AUTHORITIES CITED - Continued

Supreme Court Rule 37
Rule 10.1(b)
Rule 10.1(c)

Page

No. 91-453
¢

In The

Supreme Court of the United States

October Term, 1991
r

DAVID H. LUCAS,

Petitioner,

SOUTH CAROLINA COASTAL COUNCIL,
Respondent.

¢

Petition for Writ of Certiorari
to the Supreme Court
of the State of South Carolina
®
BRIEF AMICUS CURIAE OF

PACIFIC LEGAL FOUNDATION IN SUPPORT OF
THE PETITIONER, DAVID H. LUCAS

oOo

INTEREST OF AMICUS CURIAE

Pursuant to Supreme Court Rule 37, Pacific Legal
Foundation (PLF) respectfully submits this brief amicus
curiae in support of petitioner, David H. Lucas. Written
consent to the filing of this brief has been granted by
counsel for all parties. Copies have been lodged with the
clerk of the Court.

PLF is a nonprofit, tax-exempt corporation organized
under the laws of the State of California for the purpose
of engaging in litigation in matters affecting the public

interest. Policy is set by a Board of Trustees composed of
concerned citizens, the majority of whom are attorneys.
PLF’s Board evaluates the merits of any contemplated
legal action and authorizes such legal action only when
the Foundation’s position has broad support within the
general community. PLF’s Board has authorized the filing
of an amicus curiae brief in this matter.

The opinion below holds that a valid exercise of the
police power will insulate the government from a taking
claim, even though the regulation deprives landowners of
all economically viable use of property. Amicus submits
that this holding conflicts with prior precedents of this
Court, and of a United States Court of Appeals, wherein a
taking has been found whenever a regulation fails to
substantially advance legitimate governmental interests
or deprives landowners of economically viable use of
property. By failing to acknowledge this either/or takings
test, the South Carolina Supreme Court has decided a
federal question in a way that conflicts with applicable
decisions of this Court and of a United States Court of
Appeals.

STATEMENT OF THE CASE

The facts of the case are simple. Petitioner is the
owner of two undeveloped oceanfront lots in Charleston
County, South Carolina, which he purchased in 1986 for
$975,000. On July 1, 1988, the South Carolina General
Assembly adopted the Beachfront Management Act

(Act),! which regulated development along the South
Carolina coastline by imposing statutorily mandated set-
back lines. The Beachfront Management Act is adminis-
tered by respondent, South Carolina Coastal Council.

A setback line precluded petitioner from building
residences or making any other reasonable economic use
of his property. Petitioner instituted an action in the
South Carolina Court of Common Pleas, asserting that the
restriction on the use of his two lots amounted to a taking
of his private property for a public use without just
compensation. The court agreed and awarded petitioner
just compensation for a regulatory taking. In reaching
this conclusion, the court made the following finding of
fact:

“I find that the imposition of building restric-
tions on Lots 22 and 24 imposed by the South
Carolina Coastal Council deprives [petitioner]
of any reasonable economic use of the lots, has
eliminated the unrestricted right of use, and
renders them valueless.” Order of the Court of
Common Pleas at 5.

The South Carolina Supreme Court reversed the
judgment of the Court of Common Pleas, though it in no
way questioned the factual finding that the Beachfront
Management Act effectively deprived petitioner of all
economically viable use of property. The reversal was
grounded instead on the court’s belief that a valid exer-
cise of the police power precludes a taking. Petitioner’s
argument that deprivation of economically viable use, in

' $.C. Code Ann. § 48-39-10, et seq. (Law Co-op 1990).

and of itself, will work a taking, was dismissed as an
“erroneous statement of existing law.” Lucas v. South Car-
olina Coastal Council, 404 S.E.2d 895, 898 (1991).

The question presented to this Court is whether the
Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
requires the payment of just compensation when an
alleged health and safety regulation denies a property
owner all economically viable use. Amicus respectfully
submits that the opinion of the South Carolina Supreme
Court, which answered this question in the negative, is
utterly irreconcilable with this Court’s prior decisions
and a recent decision of the Ninth Circuit.

e

REASONS FOR GRANTING THE WRIT

Supreme Court Rule 10.1(b) and (c) lists among the
considerations governing review on certiorari the circum-
stance when a state court of last resort has decided a
federal question in a way that conflicts with the applica-
ble decisions of the United States Supreme Court or of a
United States Court of Appeals. Both grounds for review
are present in this case.

THIS COURT HAS NEVER REQUIRED
PROPERTY OWNERS TO INVALIDATE
LAND USE REGULATIONS AS A
PRECONDITION TO JUST COMPENSATION

In concluding that no taking occurred, the court
below emphasized at length the fact that petitioner did
not challenge the validity of the Beachfront Management

Act. This was construed as a “concession” that the Act

was designed to abate the noxious use of property. Lucas,
404 S.E.2d at 900.

This Court has repeatedly held, however, that the
Just Compensation Clause was designed “ ‘not to limit
the governmental interference with property rights per
se, but rather to secure compensation in the event of other-
wise proper interference amounting to a taking.’ ” Pre-
seault v. Interstate Commerce Commission, 494 US. __,
108 L. Ed. 2d 1, 13 (1990) (quoting First English Evangelical
Lutheran Church of Glendale v. County of Los Angeles,
482 U.S. 304, 313 (1987) (emphasis in original)).

That property owners are not in every circumstance
required to challenge the validity of the governmental
regulation is evidenced by this Court’s unambiguous tak-
ings test: a taking occurs “if the ordinance does not
substantially advance legitimate state interests . . . or
denies an owner economically viable use of his land.”
Agins v. City of Tiburon, 447 U.S. 255, 260 (1980) (citation
omitted; emphasis added). See also Hodel v. Virginia Sur-
face Mining and Reclamation Association, Inc., 452 U.S. 264,
295-96 (1981): “A statute regulating the uses that can be
made of property effects a taking if it ‘denies an owner
economically viable use of land ....‘” Nollan v. Califor-
nia Coastal Commission, 483 U.S. 825, 834 (1987): “We have
long recognized that land-use regulation does not effect a
taking if it ‘substantially advancejs] legitimate state inter-
ests’ and does not ‘den[y}] an owner economically viable
use of his land.’” (Quoting Agins, 447 U.S. at 260
(emphasis added; brackets in original).)

This two-prong test, like the Just Compensation
Clause itself, does not refer to a “balancing” of public and
private interests. Indeed, just compensation is mandated
when governmental regulations are enacted for the bene-
fit of the public. As the Fifth Amendment provides, “nor
shall private property be taken for public use without just
compensation.” (Emphasis added.) To require property
owners in every instance to challenge the validity of the
governmental regulation would twist the Constitution
into the following: “nor shall private property be taken
without just compensation, unless for a public use.”

This Court’s decision in First English, and its unam-
biguous either/or takings test, demonstrates the fallacy
of the argument that governmental entities are insulated
from tife just compensation mandate simply because their
land use regulations are valid exercises of the police
power.

MUGLER DOES NOT STAND FOR
THE PROPOSITION THAT THERE IS
A “PUBLIC HARM” OR “NUISANCE”
EXCEPTION TO THE JUST COMPENSATION
CLAUSE WHEN A REGULATION
RESULTS IN THE DEPRIVATION
OF ALL ECONOMICALLY VIABLE USE

The court below cites five United States Supreme
Court cases in support of the proposition that there is a
“nuisance” exception to the Just Compensation Clause
which applies even when there is a complete depri®ation
of economically viable use: Mugler v. State of Kansas,
123 U.S. 623 (1887), Hadacheck v. Sebastian, 239 U.S. 394 (1915),

Miller v. Schoene, 276 U.S. 272 (1928), Goldblatt v. Hemp-
stead, 369 U.S. 590 (1962), and Keystone Bituminous Coal
Association v. DeBenedictis, 480 U.S. 470 (1987).

There are several reasons, however, why the lower
court’s reliance on these five cases is misplaced. First,
Mugler couid not have created an exception to the Just
Compensation Clause because the United States Supreme
Court had not yet recognized the possibility of a regula-
tory taking. Second, none of these cases involved the
complete deprivation of economically viable use.

A. Mugler Was Decided Before Regulatory
Takings Were Recognized

Mugler involved a challenge to a Kansas statute
which prohibited the manufacture and sale of intoxicat-
ing liquors. The property owners contended that their
respective breweries would, in light of the statute, be of
little or no value if not employed in the manufacture of
beer. In concluding that the state’s restriction on the
permissible uses of the plaintiffs’ breweries did not con-
stitute a taking, the Mugler Court pointed out that the
liquor prohibition was a legitimate police power objec-
tive:

“{Ijt is difficult to perceive any ground for the
judiciary to declare that the prohibition by Kan-
sas of the manufacture or sale, within her limits,
of intoxicating liquors for general use there as a
beverage, is not fairly adapted to the end of
protecting the community against the evils
which confessedly result from the excessive use
of ardent spirits. . . . [Wje cannot shut out of
view the fact, within the knowledge of all, that

the public health, the public morals, and the
public safety, may be endangered by the general
use of intoxicating drinks.” 123 U.S. at 661-62.

It is important to point out, however, that Mugler was
decided more than 30 years before this Court recognized
that a regulatory taking could occur when it decided the
seminal case of Pennsylvania Coal Co. v. Mahon, 260 U.S.
393 (1922).2 Because Mugler was issued before regulatory
takings were even recognized, the Court was concerned
only with the question of whether the regulation was a
legitimate exercise of the state’s police powers and not
whether the property owner was deprived of economi-
cally viable use. That was the t «ginning, and the end, of
the inquiry.

This point is illustrated by the Mugler Court's recog-
nition that it was concerned, not with the Kansas regula-
tion’s economic impact on the property, but rather, with
whether the regulation could survive substantive due pro-
cess review:

“These [eminent domain] principles have no
application to the case under consideration. The
question in Pumpelly v. Green Bay Co. arose
under the State’s power of eminent domain;
while the question now before us arises under
what are, strictly, the police powers of the State,
exerted for the protection of the health, morals,
and safety of the people.” Id. at 668 (emphasis
added).

2 As Justice Holmes emphasized in Pennsylvania Coal, “while
property may be regulated to # certain extent, if regulation
goes too far it will be recognized as a taking.” 260 U.S. at 415.

Even if a state’s regulation did not advance a legitimate
police power, the Mugler Court pointed out that the Four-
teenth Amendment's Due Process Clause, as opposed to the
Fifth Amendment's Takings Clause, would be implicated:

“(Police power legislation cannot] come within
the Fourteenth Amendment, in any case, unless
it is apparent that its real object is not to protect
the community, or to promote the general well
being, but, under the guise of police regulation,
to deprive the owner of his liberty and property,
without due process of law.” Id. at 669.°

This illustrates the inapplicability of Mugler to the
facts of the present case, and to post-Pennsylvania Coal
takings principles. It is, in a nutshell, impossible for
Mugler to have created an exception to the requirement of
just compensation for regulatory takings, because this
Court had not yet recognized the rule that regulatory
takings could occur, an issue which Mugler did not
address.

B. This Court Has Never Insulated
Governmental Entities from the Just
Compensation Mandate when Property
Owners Suffer a Complete Deprivation
of Economically Viable Use

As noted above, the court below in no way ques-
tioned the factual finding that petitioner suffered a

3 Today, of course, a regulatory taking under the Fifth Amend-
ment may occur if the regulation does not substantially
advance legitimate state objectives or results in the denial of all
economically viable use. See, e.g., Agins v. City of Tiburon,
447 US. at 260. °

10

complete deprivation of economically viable use as a
result of the Beachfront Management Act. The court nev-
ertheless insulated the South Carolina Coastal Council
from the Fifth Amendment's just compensation require-
ment. A close analysis of the quintet of cases cited by the
lower court reveals a complete dearth of precedent to
support the proposition that the government may extin-
guish all economically viable use without the constitu-
tional obligation to pay just compensation. The reason for
this is quite simple: none of these cases involved the
complete diminution of all economically viable use.

In Mugler, the plaintiffs did not contend, nor did this
Court conclude, that no structures at all could be built or
that there was in any way a complete deprivation of all
economically viable use of land.

In Hadacheck, a city ordinance made it unlawful for
any person to operate an establishment or factory for the
manufacture or burning of brick within described geo-
graphical limits. The Hadacheck Court was thus not pre-
sented with a regulation of all economically viable use of
property, because the plaintiff was free to construct resi-
dences or other types of manufacturing enterprises on the
property. Moreover, Hadacheck, like Mugler, was decided
prior to this Court’s determination that regulatory tak-
ings were possible in the Pennsylvania Coai case.

In Miller, the State of Virginia ordered plaintiffs to
cut down a large number of ornamental red cedar trees
growing on their property as a means of preventing the
communication of a rust or plant disease, with which
they were infected, to the apple orchards in the vicinity.
Plaintiffs were, however, entitled to use the felled trees

11

and to make any other economically viable use of prop-
erty with the sole exception being the continued growth
of red cedar trees.

It should also be noted that the plaintiffs did not
even allege a Fifth Amendment taking in Miller, only a
due process challenge. Miller cannot, therefore, be cited
as a Fifth Amendment Takings Clause precedent.

In Goldblatt, the Town of Hempstead enacted an ordi-
nance regulating dredging and pit excavating on prop-
erty within its limits. Plaintiffs failed, however, to
provide evidence “which even remotely suggests that
prohibition of further mining will reduce the value of the
lot in question.” 369 U.S. at 594. The Goldblatt Court was
thus not faced with the question whether the dredging
regulation could have been insulated from the Fifth
Amendment's just compensation mandate, even if the
regulation had deprived the property owner of all eco-
nomically viable use.

Finally, in Keystone, the State of Pennsylvania had
enacted a Subsidence Act which was designed to prohibit
mining that causes subsidence damage to certain catego-
ries of structures. In concluding that the Subsidence Act
did not result in the taking of plaintiffs’ property, the
Court pointed out that the plaintiffs had “failed to make a
showing of diminution of value sufficient to satisfy the
test set forth in Pennsylvania Coal and our other regula-
tory takings cases.” 480 U.S. at 492-93.

This Court has simply never held that a police power
regulation which precludes all economically viable use
may in certain circumstances be insulated from the Fifth

12

Amendment's just compensation mandate. As noted by
Chief Justice Rehnquist in his Keystone dissent:

“[O]ur cases have never applied the nuisance
exception to allow complete extinction of the value of
a parcel of property. Though nuisance regulations
have been sustained despite a substantial reduc-
tion in value, we have not accepted the proposition
that the State may completely extinguish a property
interest or prohibit all use without providing com-
pensation.” 480 U.S. at 513 (Rehnquist, C.J., dis-
senting) (emphasis added).

Under Chief Justice Rehnquist's analysis of the facts
in Keystone, the Subsidence Act did “completely destroy”
the plaintiff's coal deposits. As such, the Chief Justice
found a taking requiring just compensatian because
“{a]pplication of the nuisance exception in these circum-
stances would allow the State not merely to forbid one
‘particular use’ of property with many uses [as in Mugler
and its progeny] but to extinguish all beneficial use of
petitioner’s property.” 480 U.S. at 514 (Rehnquist, C.J.,
dissenting) (emphasis in original).

Because the Court of Common Pleas in the present
action made a specific factual determination that the set-
back lines deprived respondent Lucas of “any reasonable
economic use of the lots,” and rendered the lots “value-
less,” the five United States Supreme Court cases cited by
the Coastal Council, which al! involve only partial dimi-
nution in value, are irrelevant.

13

Ill

THE OPINION BELOW DIRECTLY
CONFLICTS WITH A RECENT NINTH
CIRCUIT OPINION WHEREIN THE COURT
REFUSED TO INSULATE THE GOVERNMENT
FROM A JUST COMPENSATION CLAIM, EVEN
THOUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS
PURPORTEDLY ENGAGING IN A PUBLIC NUISANCE

The Ninth Circuit has recently issued an opinion
which directly conflicts with the opinion of the court
below. In McDougal v. County of Imperial, __ F.2d __,
1991 WL 156897 (9th Cir. 1991), the Court of Appeals
refused to insulate the government from a just compensa-
tion claim, even though the property owner’s water busi-
ness was purportedly contributing to a public nuisance.

The governmental entity in McDougal designated the
plaintiffs’ property a “floodway,” which allegedly ren-
dered it valueless. In defending a Fifth Amendment just
compensation claim, the government argued that no tak-
ing occurred because the floodway designation was nec-
essary to abate a public nuisance. The Ninth Circuit

disagreed:

“We cannot agree that any legitimate purpose
automatically trumps the deprivation of all eco-
nomically viable use, such that whenever a reg-
ulation has a health or safety purpose, no
compensation is required even if the land owner
is thereby denied all use of his property.
... Instead, we believe that a court is required to
consider the nature as well as the legitimacy of
the state’s interest together with the nature and
extent of its impact on the owner’s use of his
land.” McDougal, 1991 WL 156897 at 27-28.

14

The court below, in refusing to consider the economic
impact of the Beachfront Management Act, has created a
precedent directly at odds with the Ninth Circuit’s opin-

ion in McDougal and, as explained above, the precedents
of this Court.

IV

EVEN IF THERE IS A NUISANCE
EXCEPTION TO THE JUST COMPENSATION
CLAUSE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A
HOUSE IS NOT A NOXIOUS USE OF PROPERTY

Even if it is assumed that there is a “public harm” or
“nuisance” exception to the Fifth Amendment’s Just
Compensation Clause, the construction of a house is not
even remotely a noxious use of property. The Beachfront
Management Act, which is quoted extensively in the
opinion below, speaks primarily of the need to protect the
South Carolina coastline from erosion. It does not, and
could not, justify the outright prohibition of structures as
somehow constituting a “noxious” use of property on par
with the maintenance of a distillery in Mugler and an
urban brickyard in Hadacheck. As recently explained by
the dissent in Esposito v. South Carolina Coastal Council,
939 F.2d 165 (4th Cir. 1991):

“The rapidity with which rental beach houses
are gobbled up by the public causes me to doubt
that they are, at least yet, generally regarded as
_‘tantamount to a public nuisance.’ . . . [T]he
Act’s gradual forty-year retreat scheme, rather
than immediate destruction of all offending
structures, is clear proof that the Esposito claim-
ants’ residences are not dire threats to public
safety and welfare. A ‘public nuisance’ ought to

15

be abated, not phased out through a half-
lifetime of attrition.” Id. at 173 n.2.

The Beachfront Management Act’s conclusory refer-
ences to the protection of “life and liberty,” language
which can be made part and parcel of practically any
governmental enactment, cannot survive Fifth Amend-
ment scrutiny. As this Court pointed out in Nollan v.
California Coastal Commission, 483 U.S. 825, “[wle view the
Fifth Amendment's Property Clause to be more than a
pleading requirement, and compliance with it to be more
than an exercise in cleverness and imagination.” Id.
at 841.

CONCLUSION

The dissent in the opinion below rightly bemoaned
the fact that takings law “is an area of considerable
confusion.” Lucas, 404 S.E.2d at 903. In an era of increas-
ingly complex and pervasive environmental regulations,
many of which contain no provisions whatsoever for just
compensation, this Court should take steps to ensure the
preeminence of the United States Constitution. As laud-
able as environmental regulations may purport to be, it
must still be recognized that “a strong public desire to
improve the public condition is not enough to warrant
achieving the desire by a shorter cut than the constitu-
tional way of paying for the change.” Pennsylvania Coal
Company v. Mahon, 620 US. at 416.

16

For the reasons stated above, amicus respectfully
requests that this Court grant the petition for certiorari.

DATED: October, 1991.

Respectfully submitted,

RONALD A. ZUMBRUN

*Epwarp J. Connor, Jr.
*Counsel of Record

Timotuy V. Kassouni
Pacific Legal Foundation
2700 Gateway Oaks Drive,

Suite 200

Sacramento, California 95833
Telephone: (916) 641-8888

Attorneys for Amicus Curiae,
Pacific Legal Foundation

---

Source: Frix Law Library, https://www.frixlaw.com/law-library/documents/brief%3Amicro_IA40385013_0184%3A05. Public record. Not legal advice.
