# Petition — Keller v. Septum, Inc.

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## Record

- **Collection:** Supreme Court brief
- **Document type:** Petition
- **Published:** January 1, 1980
- **Citation:** 449 U.S. 992

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October Term, 1979

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ROBERT E. KELLER, individually and as
District Attorney for the Clayton Judicial
Circuit, State of Georgia,

Petitioner,

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SEPTUM, INC., A Georgia Corporation,
Respondent.

PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI
TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF
APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT

Harowp G. BENEFIELD and
Cuiirrorp A. STICHER

Counsel for Petitioner

District Attorney’s Office

Clayton County Courthouse
Jonesboro, Georgia 30236

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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

We, Harold G. Benefield, and Clifford A. Sticher,
Petitioner Attorneys, hereby certify that we have mailed
a copy of the foregoing Petition for Writ of Certiorari to
Mr. Foy Devine, Attorney for Respondent, 3565 Pied-
mont Road, N. E., Atlanta, Georgia, by placing a copy of
same along with certificate attached thereto in a proper ee
addessed and stamped envelope and mailed on the
day of Jun. _,:-1980, and we did also mail a
copy of same to Honorable Arthur K. Bolton, Attorney
General of Georgia, 321 Judicial Building, Atlanta,
Georgia.

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APPENDIX A

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA

ATLANTA DIVISION
SEPTUM, INC., a Georgia
corporation
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+ C77-1476A

ROBERT E. KELLER, Individually
and as District Attorney for Clayton
County, State of Georgia }

ORDEF

This action for declaratory! and injunctive? relief arises
from plaintiff Septum, Inc.’s (hereinafter ““Septum’’) ex-
hibition of the X-rated movie ‘‘Cinderella-96” at the Old
Dixie Theater in Clayton County, Georgia. In response
to certain complaints about the offensive nature of the
film, staff members of the District Attorney’s office in
Clayton County viewed the movie and determined that
there was sufficient probable cause that it violated the
Georgia obscenity statute.* Accordingly, after the movie

1 Plaintiff is seeking an order declaring (1) that Ga. Code Ann. §26-101
as applied to plaintiff by defendant is an unconstitutional violation
of its first and fourteenth amendment rights and (2) that the movie
“‘Cinderella-96” is not obscene within the meaning of either the de-
cision of the United States Supreme Court in Miller v. California,
413 US. 15 (1973), or Ga. Code Ann. §26-2101.
2 Plaintiff is seeking both a preliminary and a permanent injunction,
enjoining defendant Robert E. Keller and others acting in concert
with him from arresting or threatening to arrest persons for exhibit-
ing the movie “Cinderella-96.”’
3 Ga. Code Ann. §26-2101(b) provides that material is obscene if:
“‘(1) to the average person, applying contemporary community
standards, taken as a whole, it predominantly appeals to the
prurient interest, that is a shameful or morbid interest in nudity,
sex or excretion;
(2) the meterial taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic,
political or scientific value, and
(3) the material depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way,

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had been shown at the Old Dixie Theater for a total of
eleven days, on September 7, 1977, defendant Robert E.
Keller, the Clayton County District Attorney, notified
plaintiff’s attorney that “the appropriate criminal prose-
cution’’ would be instituted if plaintiff continued to show
the movie.‘ Faced with the choice between either inten-
tionally subjecting its officers and employees to state
criminal prosecution under the Georgia obscenity statute

—_— conduct specifically defined in subparagraphs (i) through (v)
elow:
(i) acts of sexual intercourse, heterosexual or homosexual, nor-
mal or perverted, actual or simulated;
(ii) acts of masturbation;
(iii) acts involving excretory functions or lewd exhibition of
the genitals;
(iv) acts of bestiality or the fondling of sex organs of animals;
(v) sexual acts of flagellation, torture or other violence indi-
cating a sadomasochistic sexual relationship;”’

* * * * *

The Georgia statute substantially mirrors the guidelines contained
in — v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973), and is not being attacked
on its face.

‘“T am writing this letter in response to your request as the attorney
for Septum Twin Cinema that I notify you of any action contem-
plated by this office on the above referenced matter prior to taking
such action.

“Since the movie Cinderella began showing in your theater, my
office has been inundated with telephone calls in oposition (sic) to
the showing of this movie. Members of my staff have viewed the
movie and feel that there is sufficient probable cause that the movie
violates the Georgia obscenity law under Georgia Code Annotated
Section 26-2101.

“T can not prevent you from showing the movie but at your request
I am notifying you that if the Septum Twin Cinema continues to
show the movie, Cinderella, my office will institute the appropriate
criminal prosecution.”

The court notes that this letter by defendant was in response to

a request by plaintiff’s attorney.
5 Mr. Robert B. Busman, president of the plaintiff corporation, states
by affidavit that he feared arrest and prosecution of himself or his
employees for exhibition of the movie ‘Cinderella-96” and, further,
that his employees have refused to take any part in the operation
of the Old Dixie Theater as long as they remain exposed to arrest
and prosecution under the Georgia obscenity statute.

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or suffering alleged irreparable harm* by foregoing what
jt believes to be constitutionally protected activity under
the first and fourteenth amendments, on that date the
plaintiff ceased exhibition of the movie and instituted this
action for federal intervention under 42 U.S.C. § 1983.7

Plaintiff contends that its right to federal declaratory
relief under these circumstances is mandated by the de-
cision of the United States Supreme Court in Steffel v.
Thompson, 415 U.S. 452 (1974). In that case the plaintiff
was engaged in handbilling against American involvement
in Vietnam at a shopping center and was twice warned
by police that if he did not stop he would be arrested.
The plaintiff in Steffel alleged that application of the
Georgia criminal trespass law to him would violate his
first and fourteenth amendment rights and, consequently,
as in the case sub judice, brought an action under 42
U.S.C. § 1983 seeking declaratory and injunctive relief.
After concluding that the plaintiff presented the court
with an “actual controversy,’’* a unanimous Court held

6 Mr. Robert B. Busman, president of the plaintiff corporation, states
by affidavit that lost promotional expenditures, lost revenues, and
lost investment in viewing rights occasioned by suspending exhibi-
tion of the movie ‘“‘Cinderella-96” causes irreparable injury to plain-
tiff in that a competitor of plaintiff is exhibiting the motion picture
“Cinderella-96” at another location in the Atlanta metropolitan area,
thus exhausting the market of persons who may desire to view “Cin-
derella-96.”” This court has been informed, however, that since the
emergency hearing, on September 12, 1977, the office of the District
Attorney in Fulton County, pursuant to a warrant issued by an in-
dependent magistrate, seized the film ‘‘Cinderella-96” at the Tower
Place Six Theater at 3340 Peachtree Road in Fulton County and
made two arrests.

7 Specifically, plaintiff alleges that the actions of defendant, taken
under color of Ga. Code Ann. §26-2101, are depriving the plaintiff of
its constitutional rights to free expression under the first and four-
teenth amendments.

8 The district court had concluded that ‘the rudiments of an actual
controversy between the parties” was lacking. Becker v. Thompson,
334 F.Supp. 1386 (N.D. Ga. 1971) (Henderson, J.).

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that:

federal declaratory relief is not precluded when no state
prosecution is pending and a federal plaintiff demon-
strates a genuine threat of enforcement of a disputed
state criminal statute, whether an attack is made on
the constitutionality of the statute on its face or as
applied.

(Emphasis supplied.) 415 U.S. at 475. Thus, contrary to
the plaintiff’s contentions in the case sub judice, Steffel
does not stand for the proposition that federal courts
“should exercise their unquestioned jurisdictional au-
thority’’* whenever a potential state criminal defendant,
faced with a genuine threat of arrest under a statute that
is allegedly unconstitutional, either facially or as applied,
seeks federal declaratory relief in an action under section
1983. Rather, Steffel merely holds that federal declara-
tory relief in such circumstances is not precluded because
of any failure to exhaust state judicial or administrative
remedies. !°

Although this court is in agreement with the notion
that both the potential state criminal defendant and the
state itself, when confronted with a Steffel kind of situa-
tion, would benefit from a procedure which allows a
declaration of rights without activation of the criminal
process, the federal courts cannot be a vehicle for such a
procedure in the absence of an “actual controversy” as
required under the provisions of both the Federal Declara-

® Plaintiff’s reply brief (pages 3-4) states that “where a case falls
within the foregoing progression such that state officials have stated
that they intend to effect an arrest, but no proceeding has actually
been initiated, then the Federal Courts should exercise their unques-
tioned jurisdictional authority,” citing Steffel.

10415 US. at 472-73.

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tory Judgment Act " and Article III of the Constitu-
tion.'* If the record reveals that the rudiments of an
“actual controversy” are lacking, then this matter is not
,‘justiciable.”’ See, e.g., Aetna Life Insurance Co. v. Ha-
worth, 300 U.S. 227 (1937); Guillot v. United States Depart-
ment of Health, Education and Welfare, 464 F.2d 598 (5th
Cir. 1972). The statement in the affidavit of Mr. Rob-
ert B. Busman, president of the corporate plaintiff, that
defendant’s notification of his intent to prosecute resulted
from ‘‘negotiations’ between members of defendant’s staff
and agents of the plaintiff in a meeting held in defendant’s
office on September 6, 1977, strongly suggests collusion
between the plaintiff and defendant.‘ In the court’s view,
this statement together with defendant’s apparent prom-
ise to plaintiff not to prosecute for any exhibition of X-
rated films prior to notification of an intent to do so,
constitutes strong evidence of an implied, if not an ex-

11 The Federal Declaratory Judgment Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2201, provides
in pertinent part:
“Tn a case of actual controversy within its jurisdiction... any
court of the United States may declare the rights and other legal
relations of any interested party seeking such declaration . . . ”’

? Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution provides in part:

“The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity,
arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and
Treaties made, or which shall be, under their Authority; ... to
Controversies between... ”’

18 At the emergency hearing Mr. Robert B. Busman testified that
plaintiff’s attorneys initiated the dialogue between plaintiff and de-
fendant concerning plaintiff’s exhibition of the movie “Cinderella-96”’
by asking defendant, prior to the exhibition of the movie, if he ob-
— to such exhibition. In his affidavit Mr. Robert B. Busman
stated:

“Defendant contacted the undersigned . . . to advise that com-
plaints were being received regarding this movie . . . Further nego-
tiations followed during which the Defendant and members of his
staff viewed the picture in question and finally advised Plaintiff
in a meeting held in the offices of the Clayton County District
Attorney on Tuesday, September 6, 1977, that any further exhi-
bition of the film would bring about criminal prosecution.”

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press agreement between the parties. This court holds
that where the circumstances demonstrate that a poten-
tial criminal defendant has voluntarily '4 entered into and
obtained an agreement with the prosecuting authorities
under which such authorities promise not to prosecute
under the obscenity laws prior to notification of an intent
to do so, such a potential criminal defendant, by engaging
in a collusory relationship with the prosecutors, in effect
waives the right to declaratory relief through an action
under section 1983, based on prior restraint under color
of the obscenity statute.'* If this court were to hold other-
wise, by finessing such promises from state prosecutors,
potential criminal defendants, without ever risking pros-
ecution, would be assured of a federal ‘advisory opinion”
every time the state prosecutors gave notice of their intent
to prosecute, and the doors to the federal courthouse
would be opened to countless numbers of section 1983
actions challenging application of state obscenity statutes
to, conceivably, every new film or magazine that is sus-
pect. The federal courts were not designed to act as a
national censorship board. By holding that a potential
criminal defendant who freely chooses to enter into such
an arrangement with prosecuting authorities is himself
foreclosing the possibility of an “actual controversy”
between himself and the prosecutors for the duration of
4 The fact that plaintiff initiated the dialogue with the defendant
as to this particular movie indicates that plaintiff entered into an
understanding or agreement with the defendant voluntarily and freely

as to its planned exhibition of this one movie, ‘‘Cinderella-96.”’ See
notes 4 and 13 supra.

6 This holding is limited to circumstances where the record demon-
strates that prosecuting officials have acted in good faith, which in-
cludes compliance with this court’s order in Penthouse International,
Ltd. v. McAuliffe, Civil No. 77-1238A (N.D. Ga. Aug. 24, 1977)
(Freeman, J.). The court concludes that this record is free from any
evidence of bad faith or harassment of the plaintiff by officials from
the office of the Clayton County District Attorney.

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the collusion, and as to all matters that are the subject
of it, this court is following the lead of several United
States Supreme Court decisions which, in response to a
recent flood of section 1983 litigants, have closed the
floodgate under similar doctrines of jurisdiction and jus-
ticiability. See Simon v. Eastern Ky. Welfare Rights Or-
ganization, 426 U.S. 26 (1976); Rizzo v. Goode, 423 U.S.
362 (1976); Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490 (1975); O’Shea
v. Littleton, 414 U.S. 488 (1974). Moreover, the United
States Supreme Court has clearly sanctioned good faith
private consultation between state prosecutors and those
individuals who are potential criminal defendants under
state obscenity statutes:

We do not hold that law enforcement officers must
renounce all informal contacts with persons suspected
of violating valid laws prohibiting obscenity. Where
such consultation is genuinely undertaken with the
purpose of aiding (compliance) ... with such laws
and (to) avoid prosecution under them, it need not
_ the full enjoyment of First Amendment free-
oms.

Bantam Books, Inc. v. Sullivan, 372 U.S. 58 (1963).

When a potential criminal defendant is able to extract
a promise from prosecuting authorities not to prosecute ~
prior to notification of an intent to do so, this court is
hesitant to find that such notification is equivalent to
what, in the absence of such an agreement, would be an
arrest, thereby signaling the beginning of an ‘ongoing
state criminal prosecution” and, therefore, federal court
abstention under Younger v. Harris, 401 U.S. 37 (1971).
This court does find, however, that when an agreement
not to prosecute prior to notification is operative, upon
such notification by prosecuting authorities, a sufficient
state interest arises such that the appropriateness of fed-

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eral intervention cannot be determined apart from the
principles of federalism. In this regard, recent Supreme
Court decisions also reflect a determination to keep sec-
tion 1983 litigants out of the federal courthouse where
they have an opportunity to have their rights vindicated
in state court. See e.g., Judice v. Vail, 45 U.S.L.W. 4269
(U.S. Mar. 22, 1977); Hicks v. Miranda, 422 U.S. 332
(1975); Huffman v. Pursue, Ltd., 420 U.S. 592 (1975).

The court does not specifically ground its decision
today, however, on principles of jurisdiction and fed-
eralism under Younger and its progeny. This court merely
finds that plaintiff’s action does not present the court
with a “justiciable controversy” in the constitutional
sense. Therefore, for the above reasons, plaintiff’s action
is hereby dismissed.

IT IS SO ORDERED this 16th day of September,
1977.

/s/ Wriu1aM C. O’ KELLEY

WituiaM C. O’ KELLEY
United States District Judge

APPENDIX B

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA

ATLANTA DIVISION
SEPTUM, INC., a Georgia )
corporation
vs. CIVIL NO.

ROBERT E. KELLER, Individually C77-1476A
and as District Attorney for
Clayton County, Georgia

ORDER

This civil action is before the court on the plaintiff’s
motion to alter or amend the judgment pursuant to rule
59(e) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Apparently, the plaintiff in this action yet fails to
understand the significant distinctions between the im-
passe he has encountered in the course of his consultation
and collusion with the Clayton County prosecutors and
the plight of the plaintiff in Steffel v. Thompson, 415 U.S.
452 (1974). At no time did the plaintiff or his colleagues
in Steffel negotiate with either the police or the appro-
priate prosecuting authorities about the permissibility of
leafleting on the sidewalk in front: of the DeKalb County
Shopping Center, and, quite clearly, no sgreement to
give notice of an intent to arrest or prosecute, prior to
doing so, was ever sought or obtained by the plaintiff or
his colleagues in Steffel. In fact, Steffel’s colleague Becker
was actually arrested under the Georgia criminal trespass
statute for engaging in the leafleting in question. Upon
being informed that the regulations of the DeKalb
County Shopping Center prohibited distribution of
leaflets on its property, Steffel and his colleagues did not
even attempt to consult with the police about the cir-

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cumstances in which they could safely leaflet at or near
the shopping center so as to avoid arrest and prosecution
for criminal trespass. In reviewing these distinctions, the
court is not suggesting that there must have been an
actual arrest of one in a posture identical to a prospective
section 1983 plaintiff for such a prospective plaintiff to
have standing to obtain declaratory relief, or that a
potential criminal defendant jeopardizes his rights to
section 1983 relief anytime he consults with prosecutors
in an attempt to comply with the law. Rather, the court
is demonstrating that with reference to the possible
degrees of intercourse between prosecutors and potential
criminal defendants, Steffel and the case sub judice repre-
sent two extremes along a hypothetical spectrum. In
circumstances where consultation between a potential
criminal defendant and prosecuting authorities, entered
into voluntarily by the potential criminal defendant,
rises to the level of a working agreement under which the
so-called ‘‘threat”’ of arrest is merely the prosecutor’s
fulfillment of 2 bargained-for promise, this court reaffirms
its holding that such a “‘threat’’ does not constitute the
basis for a justiciable controversy in the constitutional
sense.

Finally, although the court’s decision in its order of
September 16, 1977, was not specifically grounded on
principles of jurisdiction and federalism under Younger v.
Harris, 401 U.S. 37 (1971), the court did find that “when
an agreement not to prosecute prior to notification is
operative, upon such notification by prosecuting authori-
ties, a sufficient state interest arises such that the appro-
priateness of federal intervention cannot be determined
apart from the principles of federalism.” The plaintiff has
attacked this finding by the court as introducing an un-
warranted departure from a clear line of demarcation for

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the applicability of Younger principles at the point where
proceedings are actually pending in state court and as
introducing an unworkable and vague notice of “state
interest.’’ While the court reiterates today that its dis-
cussion in the order of September 16, 1977, regarding the
applicability of principles of federalism and abstention
under Younger was mere dictum, in this court’s view a
“state interest” analysis is not only workable but also
is 2 more enlightened approach to application of the
principles of federalism embodied in Younger. Moreover,
this court emphasizes that the United States Supreme
Court has taken a similar approach in defining when a
sufficient “federal interest’? becomes vested. In Hicks v.
Miranda, 422 U.S. 332 (1974), the Court departed from
the traditional demarcation at the point when proceed-
ings are pending and held:

that where state criminal proceedings are begun
against federal plaintiffs after the federal complaint is
filed but before any proceedings of substance on the
merits have taken place in the federal court, the
principles of Younger v. Harris should apply in full
force.

(Emphasis added.)

Therefore, for the above reasons, and in accordance
with the court’s discussion in its order of September 16,
1977, the plaintiff’s motion is hereby denied.

IT ISSO ORDERED this 14th day of November, 1977.

/s/ Wiuu1aM C, O’ KELLEY

WILuiAM C, O’ KELLEY
United States District Judge

APPENDIX C

SEPTUM, INC., a Georgia Corporation,
Plaintiff-A ppellant,
V.

ROBERT E. KELLER, Individually and as District
Attorney for Clayton County, State of Georgia,

Defendant-A ppellee.
No. 78-1141.
United States Court of Appeals, Fifth Circuit.
March 24, 1980.

Appeal from the United States District Court for the
Northern District of Georgia.

Before BROWN, HILL and RANDALL, Circuit
Judges.

RANDALL, Circuit Judge:

This action was brought in the United States District
Court for the Northern District of Georgia by Septum,
Inc. (Septum), a Georgia corporation engaged in the
business of exhibiting motion pictures, against Robert E.
Keller, individually and as District Attorney for Clayton
County in the State of Georgia (the County). Septum
sought injunctive and declaratory relief ! from the Coun-
ty’s threatened enforcement of the Georgia obscenity

1 Septum’s Complaint seeks both a preliminary and a permanent in-
junction, enjoining the County from enforcing or threatening to en-
force the Georgia obscenity statute, Ga. Code Ann. § 26-2101 (1978),
with respect to the movie ‘‘Cinderella.”” The Complaint also seeks a
declaration that “Cinderella” is not obscene within the meaning of
Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 93 S.Ct. 2607, 37 L.Ed.2d 419 (1973),
and the Georgia obscenity statute; and that the application of that
statute to Septum’s operations is a violation of the rights secured to
it under the first and fourteenth amendments.

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statute, Ga. Code Ann. § 26-201 (1978),? claiming that
enforcement of the statute against it infringed rights
secured to it under the first amendment, in violation of
42 U.S.C. § 1983 (1976).* The basis for the threatened
prosecution was Septum’s exhibition of an X-rated motion

Ga. Code Ann. § 26-2101 (b) (1978) provides:
(b) Material is obscene if:

(1) to the average person, applying contemporary community
standards, taken as a whole, it predominantly appeals to the
prurient interest, that is a shameful or morbid interest in nudity,
sex or excretion;

(2) the material taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artis-
tic, political or scientific value, and

(3) the material depicts or describes, in a patently offensive
way, sexual conduct specifically defined in subparagraphs (i)
through (v) below:

(i) acts of sexual intercourse, heterosexual or homosexual,
normal or perverted, actual or simulated;

(ii) acts of masturbation;

(iii) acts involving excretory functions or lewd exhibition of
the genitals;

(iv) acts of bestiality or the fondling of sex organs of animals;

(v) sexual acts of flagellation, torture or other violence in-
dicating a sadomasochistic sexual relationship. . . .

3 42 U.S.C. § 1983 (1976) provides:

Every person who, under color of any Statute, ordinance, regu-
lation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory, subjects, or
causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other
person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any
rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and
laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit
in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress. Jurisdiction is
based on § 1983 and on 28 U.S.C. § 1343 (1976). The latter statute
provides, in pertinent part:

The district courts shall have original jurisdistion of any civil
action authorized by law to be commenced by any person:

(3) To redress the deprivation, under color of any State
law, statute, ordinance, regulation, custom or usage of any
right, privilege or immunity secured by the Constitution of
the United States or by any Act of Congress providing for
equal rights of citizens or of all persons within the jurisdiction
of the United States;

(4) To recover damages or to secure equitable or other relief
under any Act of Congress providing for the protection of
civil rights, including the right to vote.

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picture entitled “Cinderella,” a film loosely based on the
well-known fairy tale and evidently incorporating some
sexually explicit symbolism not found in the original.

The events leading up to this litigation are important.
In December 1975 three Septum employees were arrested
at one of Septum’s theaters, the Old Dixie Twin Cine-
ma in Clayton County, and were charged with ex-
hibiting obscene material in violation of the Georgia
obscenity statute. According to the affidavit of Robert B.
Busman, Septum’s president, charges were dropped
against the three employees in return for Septum’s
agreement to stop showing X-rated films in Clayton
County. In March 1977, apparently in an attempt to
avoid the embarrassment that would attend another
obscenity arrest, Septum entered into an informal ar-
rangement with the Clayton County District Attorney
regarding the future exhibition of X-rated films. The
apparent terms of this arrangement included the District
Attorney’s agreement to issue a warning to Septum in the
event the County intended to proceed with obscenity
arrests and prosecutions against the theater because of an
allegedly obscene movie. Septum submits that the pur-
pose of the arrangement was to give the theater the option
of withdrawing the film voluntarily rather than forcing
the County to prosecute to suppress it. According to Mr.
Busman’s affidavit this procedure was followed in May
1977 with respect to a film entitled “Kinky Ladies of
Bourbon Street.” The Clayton County District Attorney
apparently indicated that he would initiate a prosecution
if Septum continued to exhibit the film; as a result,
Septum discontinued showing the movie.

The scenario underlying the present litigation began

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September 6, 1977. Septum had been showing the movie
“Cinderella” at the Old Dixie theater in Clayton County
since August 26, 1977, and the District Attorney’s office
had received over 200 phone calls complaining about it.
The District Attorney determined that he would have to
view the movie to decide whether a criminal prosecution
should be initiated. Thereafter, at Septum’s request, a
conference was held between Mr. Busman and his at-
torneys and members of the District Attorney’s office on
September 6, 1977. At that time the District Attorney
informed Septum’s representative that if Septum con-
tinued to show the movie, he would initiate criminal pros-
ecution. At the request of Septum’s attorney, the District
Attorney prepared a letter containing substantially the
same statement of intent as had previously been con-
veyed.‘ Septum stopped showing the film and on Septem-
ber 7, 1977 filed this suit in federal district Court.

The district court declined to accept jurisdiction of the
complaint after a full hearing on the merits, holding that
there was no “actual controversy” as required by Article
III of the United States Constitution and the Federal

4 The letter to Septum’s attorney, signed by defendant Robert Keller
as District Attorney for Clayton County, reads as follows:
Dear Foy:

I am writing this letter in response to your request as the attor-
ney for Septum Twin Cinema that I notify you of any action con-
templated by this office on the above referenced matter prior to
taking such action.

Since the movie Cinderella began showing in your theater, my
office has been inundated with telephone calls in oposition (sic) to
the showing of this movie. Members of my staff have viewed the
movie and feel that there is sufficient probable cause that the movie
violates the Georgia obscenity law under Georgia Code Annotated
Section 26-2101.

I can not prevent you from showing the movie but at your re-
quest I am notifying you that if the Septum Twin Cinema con-
tinues to show the movie, Cinderella, my office will institute the
appropriate criminal prosecution.

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Declaratory Judgment Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2201 (1976).5
The Court said:

This Court holds that where the circumstances
demonstrate that a potential criminal defendant has
voluntarily entered into and obtained an agreement
with the prosecuting authorities under which such
authorities promise not to prosecute under the ob-
seenity laws prior to notification of an intent to do so,
such a potential criminal defendant, by engaging in a
collusory relationship with the prosecutors, in effect
waives the right to declaratory relief through an
action under § 1983, based on prior restraint under
the color of the obscenity statute.

Although the district court purported to base its decision
exclusively on the issue of justiciability, and explicitly
disavowed an intention to rule on the question of absten-
tion under Younger v. Harris, 401 U.S. 37, 91 S.Ct. 746,
27 L.Ed.2d 669 (1971) and its progeny, the Younger issue
is properly before this Court for review. The issue is
certain to arise on remand if it is not dealt with here.
Despite the district court’s reservations, the court erron-
eously construed the import of Steffel v. Thompson,
415 U.S. 452, 94 S.Ct. 1209, 39 L.Ed.2d 505 (1974),
which governs the resolution of the Younger abstention
issue here, and in doing so effectively decided the ques-
tion. The issue was presented below by the County, the
parties fully explored the issue in their briefs and at oral
argument, and the district court made a ruling concerning
this central issue. Therefore, the question whether the
federal district court should abstain under the principles
of Younger v. Harris and subsequent cases elaborating and

1 Article III provides, in pertinent part: “The judicial Power shall
extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Consti-
tution...” U. 8. Const. Art. III § 2. Federal declaratory judg-
ments are permitted under 28 U.S.C. § 2201 (1976), which limits the
availability of that remedy to “‘a case of actual controversy.”

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refining those principles is now appropriately before this
court.

I.

(1,2) We address first, and briefly, the County’s con-
tention that no case or controversy within the meaning of
Article III of the Constitution and the Federal Declara-
tory Judgment Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2201 (1976), can be dis-
cerned in this case. This position, which is difficult to
understand in view of the unconstroverted evidence estab-
lishing Septum’s desire to exhibit “Cinderella” at its
theater in Clayton County and the County’s intention to
prosecute if it does so, is apparantly based on the novel
theory that not only must the parties’ legal interests be
adverse, but there must be personal animosity between
them as well.¢ The County’s apprehension of the nature
of the controversy required by Article III is mistaken.
Both parties to this litigation made an effort to accommo-
date the private and public interests involved in this kind
of situation without resort to the State’s criminal process.
When the parties to such an agreement reach an impasse
in negotiation, however, for us to hold that any contro-
versy evaporates under the light of the previous cooper-
ative relationship between them would effectively elimi-
nate the incentive for private parties to participate in
this kind of arrangement. More importantly, however,

6 The gist of the County’s argument is conveyed in the following
extract from its brief:

The history of the involvement between Septum, Inc., its attor-
neys, and representatives of the Clayton County District Attorney
discloses a relationship which falls far short of the Article III
“Controversy’’, the existence of which is a condition precedent to
the invocation of federal jurisdiction. Rather than a “concrete
adverseness” ... there was, an atmosphere of co-operation and
negotiations all at the behest of Septum, Inc.

Brief of Appellee at 5 (emphasis in original).

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personal animosity between the parties to a lawsuit has
never been considered a necessary aspect of a controversy
under Article III or the Federal Declaratory Judgment
Act. All that is required is that ‘‘(t)he controversy .. . be
definite and concrete, touching the legal relations of
parties having adverse legal interests.’’ Aetna Life Ins. Co.
v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227, 240, 57 S.Ct. 461, 464, 81L.Ed
617 (1937) (emphasis added). The county believes ‘‘Cin-
derella’”’ is obscene; Septum does not. In the circum-
stances of this case, that is sufficient. (3) That no criminal
prosecution has been instituted against Septum does not
affect the existence of a controversy, for federal courts
are not hostile to anticipatory constitutional challenges
to statutes. Such challenges ‘‘play a most vital role in
modern efforts to enforce constitutional rights.”’ nterna-
tional Soc. for Krishna Consciousness v. Haves, 601 F.2d
809, 817 (5th Cir. 1979). When a plaintiff alleges an inten-
tion to engage in conduct arguably affected with a consti-
tutional interest, but proscribed by statute, and there
exists a credible threat of prosecution thereunder, he
“should not be required to await and undergo a criminal
prosecution as the sole means of seeking relief.’’ Doe v.
Bolton, 410 U.S. 179, 188, 93 S.Ct. 739, 745, 35 L.Ed.2d.
201 (1973); See Babbit v. UFW, US. , 99
S.Ct. 2301, 2308, 60 L.Ed.2d 895 (1979); Steffel v.
Thompson, 415 U.S. 452, 459, 94 S.Ct. 1209, 1215, 39
L.Ed.2d. 505 (1974); Evers v. Dwyer, 358 U.S. 202, 204,
79 8.Ct. 178, 179, 3 L.Ed.2d. 222 (1958). The controversy
between Septum and the County satisfies all the foregoing
controversy sufficient to permit the exercise of the judicial
power of the United States is presented here.

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Bh.

The district court concluded that the pre-enforcement
notification agreement that operated here raised a signi-
ficant question about the appropriateness of ‘federal
intervention” when the case was viewed in the light of the
principles of Younger v. Harris and its progeny. We note
at the outset two important characteristics of the case
before us. First, there is no question of federal interven-
tion as such, unless any federal constitutional challenge
to a state statute asserted in a federal court amounts to
federal intervention in the affairs of the state. There is no
state proceeding, criminal or equitable, in progress at the
moment; nor will there be one unless Septum chooses
either to seek equitable relief in a state court or to subject
itself to criminal prosecution by exhibiting ‘Cinderella’
without obtaining a judicial declaration of its right to do
so. Second, since Septum has indicated that it will not
expose itself to the risk of a criminal prosecution by ex-
hibiting “Cinderella,” we can be certain that this case
does not present a choice between a remedy at law and
one in equity. Instead, the only question is whether a
plaintiff who has negotiated an agreement with state
prosecuting authorities for pre-enforcement notification
can, consistent with the notions of federalism, equity and
comity embraced in the Younger line of cases, obtain
equitable relief in a federal. forum upon applying to the
federal court in the first instance.

“Our Federalism’”’ was the basis in Younger for holding
that federal injunction relief is not normally available to
halt a state criminal prosecution.? Two years later, in
Steffel v. Thompson, 415 U.S. 452, 94 S.Ct. 1209, 39

7See Younger v. Harris, 401, U.S. 37, 43-54, 91 8.Ct. 746, 750-755,
27L.Ed.2d 669 (1971).

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L.Ed.2d 505 (1974), the Court emphasized that “the
relevant principles of equity, comity, and federalism
‘have little force in the absence of a pending state pro-
ceeding.’ ”’ Id. at 462,94 S.Ct. at 1217, quoting Lake Car-
riers’ Ass’nv. MacMullan, 406 U.S. 498, 509, 92 S.Ct. 1749,
1756, 32 L.Ed.2d. 257 (1972). The principle that a court
should not inject equity when there is an adequate remedy
at law seems to have no application to this case, since
the choice is only between a state or a federal forum to
hear a prayer for equitable relief. Moreover, because the
federal court in this situation is not asked to interrupt or
intervene in an ongoing, or imminent, state proceeding,
notions of federalism — at least insofar as that term calls to
mind the fact that state and federal courts exist side by
side and exercise concurrent jurisdiction over a case like
this one—seems just as inapposite. This plaintiff’s choice
of a federal forum involves no more interference with
Georgia’s orderly administration of its own affairs than
is attendant upon any § 1983 challenge to state laws.
Nevertheless, arguably the “more vital consideration’’®
of comity counsels federal restraint when the plantiff’s
vertifiable allegations of a threat of enforcement arise out
of the kind of pre-enforcement notification agreement
underlying this case. We note that the plaintiff’s prior
negotiation with prosecuting authorities is the only ele-
ment distinguishing this case from Steffel v. Thompson, ®

8 See Trainor v. Hernandez, 431 U.S. 434, 443, 97 S.Ct. 1911, 1917,
52 L.Ed2d 486 (1977); Judice v. Vail, 430 U. S. 327, 334, 97 S.Ct.
1211, 1216, 51 L.Ed2d 376 (1977); Huffman v. Pursue, Ltd., 420 U.S.
592, 601, 95 S.Ct. 1200, 1206, 43 L.Ed2d 482 (1975); Younger »v.
Harris, 401 U.S. 37, 44, 91 S.Ct. 746, 750, 27 L.Ed2d 669 (1971).

9 Steffel involved the threatened enforcement of Georgia’s criminal
trespass statute against one who was distributing handbills on a side-
walk surrounding a shopping center. According to the stipulated
facts of the appeal, Steffel was warned on two different days by

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in which the Court held that abstaining from exercising
jurisdiction over Steffel’s § 1983 challenge to a Georgia
statute was improper when the plaintiff was threatened
with prosecution but could not be prosecuted unless he
violated the statute another time. With regard to the
concurrent availability of declaratory relief in the state
courts of Georgia, which was permitted at that time, as it
is now, see Ga. Code Ann. § 110-1101 (1972), the Court
noted: ‘‘(We) do not require petitioner first to seek vindi-
cation of his federal rights in a state declaratory judgment
action, see Lake Carriers’ Assn. v. MacMullan, 406 U.S.
at 510, 92 S.Ct. 1949, at 1757; Wisconsin v. Constan-
tineau, 400 U.S. 483,(91 8.Ct. 507- 27 L.Ed.2d 515) (1971)
.... 415 U.S. at 475, N. 22, 94 S.Ct. at 1224, n 22. The
County’s uncoerced agreement to notify Septum of its
intent to prosecute if Septum continued to exhibit an
allegedly obscene movie does not alter the analysis. The
agreement was negotiated at arms’ length and benefited
both parties. Septum guarded itself to a degree against
the risk of criminal prosecution, and the County profited
in being able to conserve, to an extent, its prosecutorial
resources. The quid pro quo of the agreement did not

police that he would be arrested if he did not depart. 415 U.S. at
455-56, 94 S.Ct. at 1213-14. In addition, Steffel testified that several
months earlier police officers had delivered a similar warning. ID.
at 455 n. 2, 94 S.Ct. at 1214 n. 2. The Georgia statute, Ga. Code
Ann. § 26-1503 (1972), requires a single notice to depart from the
owner or rightful occupant of the property, but none from law en-
forcement authorities. Thus the distinction between Steffel’s case
and Septum’s is not that pre-enforcement authorities. Thus the dis-
tinction between Steffel’s case and Septum’s is not that pre-enforce-
ment notification was delivered to Septum when none was required,
but only that in Septum’s case it was delivered at Septum’s request,
whereas in Steffel’s case it was delivered gratuitously. As we discuss
infra, the agreement to warn Septum of a contemplated prosecution
was designed to benefit all concerned.

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include any provision limiting the availability, to Septum,
of federal relief.

The proposition that federal courts should impose such
a limitation as a matter of law based on the vague motion
of comity finds no support in previous Younger-type
cases, and would run directly contrary to the policies the
Supreme Court has identified underlying § 1983. In Lake
Carriers’ Ass’n v. MacMullan, supra, the Court said:
“(T)he availability of declaratory relief in (a state court)
on appellants’ federal claims is wholly beside the point.”’
ID 406 U.S. at 510, 92 S.Ct. at 1757. In reaching this
conclusion the Court relied on the following apposite
language from Zwickler v. Koota, 389 U.S. 241, 248, 88
S.Ct. 391, 395, 19 L.Ed.2d 444 (1967):

In thus (establishing jurisdiction for the exercise of)
federal judicial power, Congress imposed the duty upon
all levels of the federal judiciary to give due respect to a
suitor’s choice of a federal forum for the hearing and deci-
sion of its federal constitutional claims. Plainly, escape
from that duty is not permissible merely because state
courts also have the solemn responsibility, equally with
the federal courts, “. . . to guard, enforce, and protect
every right granted or secured by the Constitution of the
United States... ,’’ Robb v. Connolly, 111 U.S. 624, 637,
4§.Ct. 544, 551, 28 L.Ed. 542.

Moreover, allowing the district court to abstain from
exercising jurisdiction over this case would do violence to
the Supreme Court’s holding in Steffel. Concerning the
applicability of Steffel, the district court quoted the fol-
lowing language from that case:

.... federal declaratory relief is not precluded when
no state prosecution is pending and a federal plaintiff
demonstrates a genuine threat of enforcement of a
disputed state criminal statute, whether an attack is

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made on the constitutionality of the statute on its
face or as applied.

415 U.S. at 475, 94 S.Ct. at 1223-1224. The court rea-
soned that although federal declaratory relief is not pre-
cluded, neither is a federal forum for the complaint re-
quired. This was error. In Steffel the Supreme Court re-
versed the Fifth Circuit’s determination that abstention
was proper under the principles announced in Younger
and in Samuels v. Mackell, 401 U.S. 66, 91 S.Ct. 764, 27
L.Ed.2d 688 (1971), and remanded. Plainly the disposition
of that case precludes discretionary abstention in this
one, since there is no factual distinction between the cases
relevant to the abstention issue.

Accordingly, we hold that abstention is inappropriate
in this case. We reverse and remand for further proceed-
ings consistent with this opinion.

REVERSED and REMANDED.

JAMES C. HILL, Circuit Judge, specially concurring:

I concur, but add these observations. The result we
find to be required in this case may well bring to an end
cooperative undertakings between potential adversaries
in situations like the one reviewed here.

If a prosecuting attorney prefers that he not be forced
to try his cases in federal court, often sitting many miles
away from the state court having jurisdiction, he would
be well advised to refrain from conciliatory measures
which might warn his adversary of intention to bring
criminal proceedings. Septum, in this case, professes to
have wanted an opportunity to consider substituting a
film for the allegedly offensive one and, on that profes-
sion, negotiated a “notice” arrangement with the district
attorney. We now announce that by making this agree-

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ment Septum brought itself within the Younger “window”:
A point lying between the time when a real and substan-
tial threat of prosecution arises and the time when state
criminal proceedings are commenced.

Justice Stewart observed in Steffel v. Thompson, 415
U. S. 452, 94 S.Ct. 1209, 1224, 39 L.Ed2d 505 (1974)
(Stewart, J., concurring): “Cases where such a ‘genuine
threat’ can be demonstrated will, I think, be exceedingly
rare.”’ Perhaps their rarity will be governed by the will-
ingness of the state’s attorney to work constructively with
potential violators. Such cases will be rare, indeed, where
the state refuses to be helpful; to secure state court juris-
diction, it must institute criminal proceedings by surprise.

Perhaps parties yet bent upon constructive cooperation
can devise a way to implement that good impulse without
transferring potential cases from state courts to federa!
courts. I do not believe that what we say today is in-
tended to discourage their trying.

JOHN R. BROWN, Circuit Judge, concurring in part
and dissenting in part:

The issue which faces us today is one which places upon
the equitable considerations enunciated in Yoynger v.
Harris, 401 U.S. 37, 91 S.Ct. 746, 27 L.Ed2d 669 (1970),
the most strenuous challenge I believe they have yet
undergone. We must decide whether a plaintiff, request-
ing declaratory and injunctive relief against a State Dis-
trict Attorney, may take advantage of an artificial set of
circumstances, created through the construction of an
agreement it entered into with its potential prosecutor,
to bring an action which would otherwise clearly have
been precluded by 28 U.S.C.A. § 2283 and Younger.

This agreement wards off indefinitely any actual prose-

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cution by the District Attorney’s office, thereby dispelling
the likelihood of a “pending prosecution” which would
automatically force the Federal Court to refrain from
exercising its jurisdiction. Yet at the same time, this agree-
ment hovers as a threat of prosecution, not merely ‘“‘imag-
inary and speculative,’’ but substantial enough to create
a justiciable issue for the Federal Courts to decide. Thus,
Judge Randall finds the plaintiff balancing nicely on the
sill of the “‘Steffel window” with a set of circumstances
similar, although not identical, to those of Steffel v. Thomp-
son, 415 U.S. 452, 94 8.Ct. 1209, 39 L.Ed2d 505 (1971)
in which the Supreme Court held the Younger abstention
doctrine inapplicable.

I agree with Judge Randall that a justiciable contro-
versy exists in this case. But I dissent from her analysis
of the Younger abstention question. I believe it is an
over simplification of the case to say that just because
there is technically no pending prosecution in State Court,
that there is no question of Federal intervention in the
affairs of the State, and that the case is therefore con-
trolled by Steffel. Nor do I agree with her statement that |
since Septum does not intend to risk criminal prosecu-
tion by showing “Cinderella,” there is no choice between
law and equity at issue here. *

Both of these conclusions can be made only if one ig-
nores the fact that, had there not been an agreement by
the District Attorney to warn Septum before making
arrests under the obscenity statute, there would have
been a criminal prosecution pending, and the Federal
' District Court would have had no choice but to abstain
from hearing the case. To ignore the fact that the ‘‘Steffel
window” in this set of circumstances was created artifi-
cially through an agreement: between the parties is to
ignore the equitable considerations which are the first

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and foremost reason that Younger abstention came into
being. I believe this one fact requires us to reconsider the

Younger equitable principles, to distinguish this case from
Steffel, and to affirm.

I. EQUITY

Although the procedural distinction between actions
at law and actions at equity has disappeared in Federal
District Courts, F.R.Civ.P. 1, suits for injunctions and
for declaratory relief, both traditionally brought as equi-
table actions (see D. Dobbs, Remedies 25-26 (1973)) (are
still governed by the previously established substantive
principles of equity. C. Wright, Law of Federal Courts,
318 (3d ed. 1976); 30 C.J.S. Equity § 6 (1965).

The most basic principle of equity is the discretion of
the Court. Historically, equitable remedies were granted
only in cases where an action at law would not provide
adequate relief. Dobbs, supra, at 33, 57. The remedy
granted by a Court sitting in equity was based on its
“sense of need and justice.” Id. at 25.

Traditionally, injunctions would issue when, not only
did the remedy at law fail to meet the adequacy test, but
the damage to the plaintiff if he were forced to settle for
only a legal remedy, would be irreparable. Id. at 108.
Plaintiffs in equity often sought declaratory judgments
along with injunctions in order to obtain a forma! declara-
tion of their rights with respect to an existing conflict or
one that was fairly certain to arise in the future. Id. at 26.

II. ABSTENTION

Federal injunctions against State Court proceedings are
governed by 28 U.S.C.A. § 2283 which is the starting
point for the Younger abstention doctrine. This statute

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provides:

A court of the United States may not grant an
injunction to stay proceedings in a State court except
as expressly authorized by Act of the Congress, or
where necessary in aid of its jurisdiction, or to pro-
tect or effectuate its judgments.

It is based on the same law of equity common to all in-
junctions. Its purpose is “to prevent needless friction
between state and federal courts.’”’ Oklahoma Packing Co.
v. Oklahoma Gas and Electric Co., 309 U.S. 4, 9, 60 S. Ct.
215, 218 84 L.Ed. 447, 537 (1940). The notions of federal-
ism and comity which underlie § 2283 and which were
developed so extensively in Younger are actually founded
in equity. Abstention itself is an equitable principle that
has developed in Federal Court. 30 C.J.S. Equity § 10.

Although it is in the form of law, § 2283, is the codi-
fication of the equitable rule governing availability of the
injunctive remedy. Normally a Federal Court may not
enjoin a state proceeding because it is assumed the state
proceeding will provide an adequate remedy at law, that
is, it will adeyuately adjudicate the would-be Federal
plaintiff’s rights under Federal law and the Constitution.

The three exceptions enunciated in the statute are fun-
damentally codifications of three situations in which a
Federal injunction should issue because it has been Con-
gressionally determined that the remedy under state law
would be inadequate. Younger refines the requirements
for the application of the § 2283 exceptions in its holding
that, to enjoin a pending state prosecution, not only must
the remedy at law be inadequate, but there must be a
“showing of bad faith, harassment, or any other un-
usual circumstances that would call for equitable relief.”’
Younger, supra, 401 U.S. at 54, 91 8.Ct. at 755, 27 L.Ed2d
at 681. Essentially this means the plaintirf also must show

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severe, irreparable harm in order to get a state proceeding
enjoined.

Of course, § 2283 applies only to injunctions, but de-
claratory judgments are not that different a matter. Al-
though Steffel discusses at length the differences between
injunctive and declaratory relief, this was only with re-
spect to a situation where there was no pending state
criminal prosecution. In such a case, even an injunction
could issue. Doran v. Salem Inn, Inc., 422 U. 8. 922,
930-31, 95 S.Ct. 2561, 2567-68, 45 L.Ed2d 648, 658-59
(1975). Samuels v. Mackell, 401 U.S. 66, 91 S.Ct. 764, 27
L.Ed.2d 688 (1970), a companion case to Younger, states
the applicable rule for Federal declaratory relief after a
state proceeding has begun. In most cases it will not be
granted if an injunction would not be appropriate either.

I dissent because I feel the same deference to equitable
principles which permeates § 2283, Younger, and the en-
tire abstention doctrine should be practiced when we
consider the specific facts of this case. When a Court sits
in equity it must apply all relevant canons of substantive
equity. Thus, in this case we cannot ignore the theory
of estoppel. See Dobbs, supra at 41-43. Septum obtained
a promise from the District Attorney that he would forego
prosecution until Septum was fully warned of his intent
to do so. Essentially, the State was giving up its right to
prosecute in State Court to accommodate Septum. The
would-be criminal defendant took advantage of the good
faith of the District Attorney in order to sue in Federal
Court.

The District Court characterized Septum’s actions as
a waiver of its right to claim there was a justiciable issue.
Although this is not quite accurate, I can see that the
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that I adhere to. Septum should be estopped from ob-
taining an advantage it would not otherwise have had.
But for this agreement, Septum would have been in-
volved in a criminal prosecution, brought in good faith,
with no hint of the purpose of harassment. Younger, spe-
cifically holds that neither “the cost, anxiety, and in-
convenience”’ of defending a criminal prosecution, nor the
“chilling” of First Amendment rights constitutes the type
of irreparable injury necessary to enjoin a state action.
401 U.S. at 46, 50, 91 S.Ct. at 751, 753, 27 L.Ed.2d at
676-77, 679. Moreover, we have every reason to believe
this proceeding would have fairly adjudicated Septum’s
rights. The equities of this case demand that we treat it
as if there were a pending prosecution and as if Younger
and Samuels applied to require Federal abstention.

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