# Appendix — Beer v. United States

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- **Collection:** Supreme Court brief
- **Document type:** Appendix
- **Published:** January 1, 1976
- **Citation:** 425 U.S. 130

## Text

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IN THE

Supreme Court of the United States

Octeszx TERM, 1973

No. 73-1889

Perer H. Beer, PHiuip C. Ciaccio, JosepH V. Dios,
CLARENCE QO. Dupuy, JR., JoHN D. LAMBERT, JR.,
AND JAMES A. MorEAU, Members of the Council of
the City of New Orleans, Acting For and On
Behalf of the City of New Orleans, Appellants

V.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
and
Wiu1AM B. Saxse, Attorney General of the United
States, Individually and in His Official Capacity,
and
JOHNNY JACKSON, JR., Ev AL., Appellees

Appeal from the United States District Court for the
District of Columbia

DOCKETED JUNE 13, 1974
PROBABLE JURISDICTION NOTED OCTOBER 15, 1974

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

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Answer of the United States of America ............ 35
Motion to Intervene as Defendants ................. 40
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Ill. Srarement

6. The existing districting arrangement of the city
council pursuant to Section 3-103(1) is grossly mal-
apportioned having wide population variances between
districts resulting in dilution of voting strength of persons
in under-represented districts. According to the 1970
census, each councilmaniec district should ideally represent
118,694 persons, but under said section the councilmanic
districts according to the 1970 census have the following
populations and deviations from the ideal:

District A—134,613; +13.41%
District B—108,769; — 8.36%
District C—100,811; —15.06%
District D—114,367; — 3.64%
District E—134,911; +13.66%.

7. The city council has attempted on two occasions to
effect racially discriminatory plans of redistricting. On
each occasion the Attorney General of the United States.
Pursuant to Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965,
invalidated the plan by entering an objection grounded on
the fact that the plans would have the purpose and effect
of denying or abridging the right to vote on account of
race.

8. The first plan, city council Ordinance 4796 M.C.S.
was objected to by the Attorney General on January 15,
1973, who stated correctly in his letter of objection that:

Our analysis shows that the district boundary lines in
the submitted plan are drawn in a manner which

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appears to dilute black voting strength by combining a
number of black voters with a larger number of white
voters in each of the five districts. Moreover, it does
not appear that the district lines are drawn as they
are because of any compelling governmental need
and they do not reflect numeric population configura-
tions of district compactness or regularity of shape.

Y. City council Ordinance 4796 M.S.C. was not a good
faith effort to redistrict in accordance with constitutional
guidelines and the city charter, but was, as characterized
by the March 4, 1972 New Orleans States-Item editorial,
a ‘‘reapportionment joke’’,

10. In spite of the clear mandate from the Attorney
General that racially discriminatory redistricting would
be unacceptable under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act
of 1965, the second plan of the city council, city council
Ordinance 5154 M.C.S. incorporated the same type of
defects which had prompted the Attorney General to
object to the first plan.

11. Accordingly on July 9, 1973 the Attorney General
entered his objection to city council Ordinance 5154 M.C.S.
stating correctly in his letter of objection that:

Our analysis shows that the boundary lines pre-
scribed by Ordinance 5154, M.C.S. appear to effect a
dilution of black voting strength in the same manner
as did the boundary lines prescribed in Ordinance
4796, M.C.S., to which an objection was interposed on
behalf of the Attorney General on January 15, 1973.

While we recognize that there are significant dif-
ferences between the reapportionment plans proposed
in Ordinance Numbers 4796 and 5154, especially to the
noncontiguous districts and the population by race
of proposed District B, Ordinance 5154, M.C.S.,
nevertheless combines a number of black voters with
a larger number of white voters in four of the five
districts.

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Moreover, the district lines in the instant sub-
mission do not appear to have been based on any com-
pelling governmental need or to reflect numeric
population configurations or considerations of district
compactness or regularity of shape.

Uur evaluation of Ordinance Numbers 4796 and 5154
indicates that the objectionable dilution of black
voting strength in both redistricting plans is primarily
attributable to the vertical shape of the submitted
districts. Because the predominantly black neighbor-
hoods in the city are located generally in an east-
west progression, the vertical districts in the sub-
mitted plans divided the black neighborhoods and
combined them with white areas in the north and south
of the city, resulting in districts with more white than
black voters.

Although the shape of the submitted districts have
been in part based upon the shape of the 17 wards in
New Orleans, the wards do not of themselves define
official boundaries bearing upon the election of or
representation by City Council members, and ad-
herence to the traditional shape of the wards may not
serve to justify the resulting prohibited dilution of
black voting strength under Section 5.

We do not mean by this analysis to imply that
other reapportionment plans based upon vertical dis-
tricts will necessarily divide the black neighborhoods
in the city to the degree found objectionable here.
We have determined, however, that a dilutive result
similar to that found in the submitted plan is difficult
to avoid when such districts are utilized to the extent
found in the submitted plan and that the extent to
which such districts were utilized is not necessary
to achieve a successful reapportionment of the city’s
population.

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12. City council Ordinance 4796 M.S.C. was not a good
faith effort to redistrict in accordance with constitutional
guidelines and the city charter, but was but another at-
tempt to deprive black citizens of New Orleans of their
right to an unfettered franchise and all voters of New
Orleans of their right to clect the city council members
under a constitutionally sufficient plan of apportionment.

13. In both ordinances, the city council has purpose-
fully attempted to effect ‘‘slot machine’’ racial gerry-
mandering by constituting the districts in a vertical north
to south, river to lake configuration, which, given the well-
known racial residential patterns running east to west,
would have the inevitable, predictable and fully anticipated
effect of diluting the voting strength of black citizens of
New Orleans.

14. The city council attempted to effect these two plans
in spite of the fact that numerous black leaders testified
before the city council outlining in minute detail the racially
discriminatory nature of said plans and that the city
council had before it a number of alternate plans.

15. Section 3-103(3) of the Charter of the City of New
Orleans prescribes a ‘‘mandatory duty’’ upon the city
council to redistrict itself within six months of the official
publication of the United States decennial census and
further provides that if the council fails to perform this
mandatory duty, ‘‘the members of the Council shall not
receive any further salaries until the Council shall have
adopted such ordinance ... and the Director of Finance
shall not issue checks for such salaries for said periods.’’
The actions and omissions of the city council and its
individual members in failing to make a good faith effort
to redistrict themselves in keeping with the constitutional
one man, one vote mandate, the constitutional and federal
statutory prohibition against racially discriminatory
delineation of electoral districts, and the mandate of their
own charter has resulted in the city council being without

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a valid plan and without the prospect of devising a valid
plan and the election process scheduled to begin in ap-
proximately one month. Unless this Court immediately
appoints a special master to receive suggested redistricting
plans and devise a plan which conforms to the one man,
one vote mandate and the prohibition against racial dis-
crimination and specifically avoids the racially diserimi-
natory vertical arrangement of districts, plaintiffs and
their class will be effectively denied the right to vote by
virtue of being denied the right to elect members of the
city council at the regularly scheduled elections under a
constitutionally sufficient plan of apportionment.

LV. ViouwatTion or Law

16. The present apportionment of the city council pro-
vided by Section 3-103(1) of the city charter dilutes the
relative strength of the class of voters residing in under-
represented councilmanic districts to such an extent as to
violate the rights of plaintiffs and other voters similarly
situated under the equal protection clause of the Four-
teenth Amendment.

Seconp Count

17. As more fully set out above, the actions and omis-
sions of the city council and its individual members in
failing to devise in good faith a constitutionally sufficient
non-discriminatory plan of apportionment have deprived
and continue to deprive plaintiffs and the class and sub-
class they represent of their rights secured by the Four-
teenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution of
the United States.

Tuirp Count

18. As more fully set out above, the actions of the city
council and its individual members in failing to devise in
good faith a constitutionally sufficient non-discriminatory

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plan of apportionment within six months of the publication
of the 1970 Census have deprived plaintiffs and their class
of rights secured by the Charter of the City of New
Orleans. The Court has pendent jurisdiction over this
cause of action.

V. Eeurtry

19. There is a real and actual controversy between the
parties as described herein. Plaintiffs have no adequate
remedy at law. Plaintiffs are suffering and stand to suffer
irreparable injury as a result of the apportionment chal-
lenged herein and the failure of defendants the city coun-
cil and its members to effect a constitutionally sufficient
plan of redistricting, and that injury will continue and be-
come hopelessly irreparable unless enjoined by this Court.

VI. Cotor or Law

20. All of the acts alleged in this complaint to have been
done by defendants were done under color of law of the
State of Louisiana and under color of the defendants’ re-
spective offices as officers or agents of the State.

VII. Prayer For Revrer
21. Wuererore, plaintiffs respectfully pray,

a) That this Court immediately appoint a special master
pursuant to Rule 53 of the Federal Rules of Civil Pro-
cedure and direct said master to receive suggested plans
of apportionment and expeditiously devise a plan of re-
districting for the Council of the City of New Orleans which
complies with the one man, one vote mandate, avoids racial
discrimination and specifically avoids those racially dis-
criminatory features found objectionable by the Attorney
General of the United States, in prior plans of the city
council invalidated under Section 5 of the Voting Rights
Act of 1965.

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Plaintiffs suggest that the Court appoint one of the
following exceptionally qualified persons to serve as special
master:

Dr. Jewel L. Prestage

Professor of Political Science

Southern University, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Visiting Professor of Political Science,
Louisiana State University in New Orleans

Mr. Peter W. Dangerfield

President, Metro Consulting and Research
4224 South Claiborne Avenue

New Orleans, Louisiana

b) That defendants the City of New Orleans and Maurice
Landrieu, Mayor of the City of New Orleans, be enjoined
from paying and that defendants the individual members
of the Council of the City of New Orleans be enjoined from
receiving any further salaries of the city council members
until and unless the city council adopts a good faith con-
stitutionally sufficient plan of apportionment.

c) That defendants be ordered to place into escrow the
salaries of the members of the city council to secure pay-
ment of compensation to the special master, plaintiffs’ ex-
penses, and reasonable attorney’s fees in this litigation.

d) That the Court issue a declaratory judgment that the
apportionment of the city council under Section 3-103(1)
is unconstitutional and violative of the constitutional
rights of plaintiffs and others similarly situated, pursuant
to 28 U.S.C. 2201.

e) That the Court issue preliminary and permanent in-
junctions restraining defendants from further implement-
ing Section 3-103 of the city charter.

f) That the Court issue preliminary and permanent in-
junctions requiring defendants to implement a plan of re-

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districting which is racially non-discriminatory and con-

forms to the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth

Amendment.

g) That the Court award plaintiffs their court costs,

expenses, and reasonable attorney’s fees.

h) Plaintiffs further pray for such additional relief as
is just and equitable.

tespectfully submitted,

STANLEY A. Hatpin, Jr.
Kipp, Katz & Haupin

Cuaries E. Corton
Cotton, JONES & FAzANDE

CuHarLes WILLIAMS
Eric SCHNAPPER
Jack GREENBERG
James Nasrit III

Attorneys for Plaintiffs

by Stanuey A. Hatpry, Jr.
Stanley A. Halpin, Jr.
Trial Attorney
Of Counsel:

Davin J. Dennis
1110 Royal Street
New Orleans, Louisiana

Datep: July 12, 1973

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Civil Action No. 1495-73
[Caption Omitted]
Points And Authorities
Petitioners seek to intervene in the instant action to in-
sure that their interests as described in the motion to in-
tervene are adequately protected. It has previously been
held that such an intervention is proper. City of Peters-
burg, Virgmia v. United States, 354 F. Supp. 1021 (U.S.
D.C, Dist. Col. 1972); City of Richmond vy. United States,
U.S. D.C. Dist. Col., Civil Action No. 1718-72.
WHEREFORE petitioners pray that their motion be granted.
Respectfully submitted,

STANLEY A. Hatprn, Jr.
Kipp, Katz & Hauprn

Cares FE. Corton
Cotton, JONES & FaZANDE

JACK GREENBERG

James M. Nasnirt, III
Eric SCHNAPPER

Cuartes FE, Wiiuiams, III

Witey Branton
Attorneys for Plaintiffs

by /s/ James M. Nasrirt, III
James M. Nabrit, III

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Civil Action No. 1495-73
[Caption Omitted]

Answer of Intervenors

1. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘*1”’ of the complaint.

2. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph ‘‘2”’
of the complaint.

3. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph ‘‘3”’
of the complaint.

4. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph ‘‘4”’
of the complaint.

). Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph ‘‘5”’
of the complaint.

6. Intervenors are without information sufficient to
form a belief as to the truth of the allegations of para-
graph ‘‘6’’ of the complaint.

7. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph ‘‘7”’
of the complaint.

8. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph ‘‘8”’
of the complaint.

9. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph ‘‘9”’
of the complaint, except that they are without information
sufficient to form a belief as to the truth of the allegation
that it was not mathematically possible to redistrict the
Council by wards.

10. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘**10”’ of the complaint.

11. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘*11”’ of the complaint.

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12. Intervenors deny the allegations of paragraph
**12”’ of the complaint.

13. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
13’’ of the complaint.

14. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘*14”’ of the complaint.

15. Intervenors admit the allegations of psragraph
**15”’ of the complaint.

16. Intervenors are without sufficient information to
form a belief as to the truth of the allegations of paragraph
**16”’ of the complaint.

17. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘*17’’ of the complaint.

18. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
**18”’ of the complaint.

19. Intervenors deny the allegations of the first sen-
tence of paragraph ‘‘19’’ of the complaint. Intervenors
are without sufficient information to form a belief as to
the truth of the other allegations of paragraph ‘‘19”’ of
the complaint.

20. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘*20’’ of the complaint.

21. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘*21”’ of the complaint.

22. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
‘*22’’ of the complaint.

23. Intervenors deny the allegation of paragraph ‘‘23”’
of the complaint that an effort was made to devise a work-
able, responsible and equitable plan, and are without infor-
mation sufficient to form a belief as to the truth of the other
allegations of the complaint.

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24. Intervenors deny the allegations of paragraph
‘*24”’ of the complaint.

25. Intervenors admit the allegations of paragraph
**25”’ of the complaint.

26. Intervenors deny the allegations of paragraph
‘*26” of the complaint that decision of the Attorney Gen-
eral to disapprove Ordinance 5154 M.C.S. was without a
full and fair appraisal of all relevant information. Inter-
venors admit the other allegations paragraph ‘‘26”’ of the
complaint.

27. Intervenors deny the allegations of paragraph
**27”’ of the complaint.

28. Each of the plans enacted by the City Council of
New Orleans was enacted with the purpose and effect of
preventing the election of any black members of the council
and preserving in office the white incumbents by diluting
the votes of black voters by placing those voters in districts
where they will be outnumbered by white voters.

29. In the year and one half since the 1970 census data
became available, plaintiffs have persistently failed to
enact a plan acceptable under the Voting Rights Act and
the United States Constitution because of their desire to
assure their reelection by racial gerrymandering, to prevent
the election of black councilmen, and to dilute the votes of
black voters. Plaintiffs have obstinately refused to enact
such a plan in the further hope that this delay would pre-
cipitate a crisis which would compel the Justice Department
or the .ourts to approve elections in 1973 under an invalid
and unconstitutional redistricting plan.

30. There is now pending in the United States District
Court for the Eastern District of New Orleans an action
brought by intervenors to compel the enactment of a redis-
tricting plan to be approved by that court. Jackson v.
Council of City of New Orleans, No. 73-1862. On August
4, 1973, Judge Boyle appointed a special master to draw

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up such a plan. Elections can and will be held under such
court approved plan in an orderly and fair manner without
the necessity of any intervention by this Court.

31. In view of the proceedings in Jackson v. Council of
City of New Orleans, there is no need or justification for
this Court to decide precipitously and without time for
detailed consideration of the complex issues raised by the
instant case. To do so would be to reward plaintiffs for
their delay in filing the instant action, and would encourage
other jurisdictions subject to the Voting Rights Act to
delay, by a serious of inadequate proposals or otherwise,
commencing litigation in this Court until the eleventh hour
in the hope of precipitating a hurried decision allowing
them to change their election laws despite the timely and
carefully considered disapproval of the Department of
Justice.

Re.pectfully submitted,

STantey A. Hap, Jr.
Kipp, Katz & Hatpin

Crates E. Corron
Corton, Jones & FazanvDE

JACK GREENBERG

James M. Nasrit, III
Eric SCHNAPPER
Cuares E. WiiuiaMs, III

Wney Branton
Attorneys for Plaintiffs

by /s/ James M. Nasairt, III
James M. Nabrit, III

[Certificate of Service Omitted]

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TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

Courtroom No. 1

U.S. Court House
Washington, D.C.
Thursday, August 9, 1973

The above-entitled matter came on for hearing in open
court at 10:00 o’clock a.m.

Before: Honorable Spottswood W. Robinson, IIT, USCA.,
Honorable Howard F. Corcoran, USDC., Honorable Joseph
C. Waddy, USDC.

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[3] The Deputy Clerk: Civil Action 1495-73, Peter H.
Beer, et al., versus the United States of America, et al.
Mr. Stoner, Mr. Treese, Mr. Arata, and Mr. Salatich for
the plaintiffs. Mr. Gorman, Mr. Shurtliff, and Mr. Friends
for the defendants. Mr. Halpin, Mr. Williams and Mr.
Cotton for the intervenors.

Judge Robinson: It would be helpful to the Court if at
the outset counsel would identify themselves for the in-
formation of the Court and also for the benefit of the
record.

Mr. Stoner: Thank you, Your Honor.

May it please the Court, my name is James R. Stoner.
I am appearing here as counsel for the plaintiffs. With
me is my partner, James R. Treese, who is also appearing
for the plaintiffs. Also with us is the City Attorney of
New Orleans, Mr. Blake G. Arata, and the Assistant City
Attorney for the City of New Orleans, Mr. Ernest Salatich.

I would move at this time that Mr. Arata and Mr. Sala-
tich be admitted as members of this bar for the purpose
of this case.

Judge Robinson: That motion will be granted. Thank
you very much, Mr. Stoner.

Representing the United States?

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Mr. Shurtliff: May it please the Court, Carl Shurtliff.
With me at counsel table is Walter Gorman who will be
[4] joined shortly by Nathaniel Friends.

Judge Robinson: Thank you very much.

Representing the applicants for intervention?

Mr. Halpin: Stanley Halpin representing the movers
for the defendant, the intervenor-defendants. With me is
Mr. Charles Cotton ard Mr. Charles Williams. I am a
a member of the D.C. Bar but don’t maintain an office ad-
dress here. I would ask for purposes of this proceeding
that Mr. Cotton and Mr. Williams be allowed to proceed
for this case only.

Judge Robinson: That motion will be granted.

Judge Waddy: Do you have a local address, sir?

Mr. Halpin: We have one member, one counsel, as local
counsel, Mr. Wiley Branton, who does appear on the papers
and who would be responsible.

Judge Waddy: Mr. Branton is not here at the present
time?

Mr. Halpin: Mr. Branton is not here right at this mo-
ment. If it would be necessary, I could have him come
down.

Judge Waddy: His name does appear on the paper?

Mr. Halpin: Yes, sir.

Judge Robinson: Your motion, Mr. Halpin, for the ad-
mission of your colleagues will be held in abeyance until
the Court has made a ruling on the question of whether
intervention will be allowed. In the event the intervention
is allowed, the motion respecting counsel will be granted.
(5) Mr. Halpin: Thank you.

Judge Robinson: Gentlemen, at the outset we would like
to take up the question of intervention. The application
for intervention was filed on yesterday. The Court received
it this morning. We have noted that it was personally
served on the original parties to the case on yesterday.

Is there any objection to the granting of that motion?

Mr. Stoner: Your Honor, it would be our position, we
have no objection to the intervention for the purpose of

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argument of the issues. We, however, do not know what
position they would be taking with respect to the issues
which have been raised in the Complaint, and we believe
that the purposes of their intervention—we would have no
objection to their intervention for the purpose of argument
of the case to the Court. We believe that if they were to be
allowed to intervene for all purposes, that is, the cross-
examination of witnesses and the offering of evidence, it
may unduly prolong the hearing on the case.

Judge Robinson: Let me inquire of Mr. Halpin. Is there
a proposed complaint in the intervention?

Mr. Halpin: Yes, a proposed answer in intervention.

Judge Robinson: Is it attached? Oh, yes. Very well.
Did you want to respond to the statement just made to
the Court by Mr. Stoner?

Mr. Halpin: Yes, sir. We would like to intervene [6] not
only for the purposes of argument but for all purposes
in this matter, for these reasons: The individuals who we
represent are the named plaintiffs also in the New Orleans
case, Jackson vs. the Council of the City of New Orleans
which has recently appointed a special master to draft the
plan for the City Council in the event that this Court
finds, as the Justice Department did, that the plan is
racially discriminatory. Also, that has been accepted with-
out objection in New Orleans as an adequate class action.

We feel that we represent interests of black people in
New Orleans and are more familiar with the particular
nuances and so on of this case, so that, one, it would be
extremely useful to the Court and protective of our party’s
rights to be available to cross-examine and to examine on
direct witnesses.

Further, we do have only one additional witness that
we would call, and that would be Mr. Jackson. We do not
intend to prolong the proceedings in any way, and I can
give the Court my personal assurance that we will do
nothing to delay the proceedings.

Further, | would point out that we will be proposing
as a defense a legal theory which will require certain types

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of questions to be put to the witness and certain types of
evidence, which the Department of Justice may not—I am
not sure exactly what their approach is, but it is not clear
that [7] they will present that type of evidence from a
live witness.

Judge Robinson: Now, the issue or issues that your
clients would desire to address would differ in what way,
if any, from the issues already raised

Mr. Halpin: All right. Well

Judge Robinson: —by the complaint and by the Gov-
ernment’s answer?

Mr. Halpin: Well, the issue that we will raise, which I
think has been raised to some extent and is of a nature
in the proceedings, is that the plan of the City Council
before the Court must be determined as not racially dis-
criminatory either in purpose or effect. What we would
argue is that the burden is also upon the City Council
to prove that the two at large seats on the City Council
are also not racially discriminatory in purpose or effect
in order for them to carry their burden of proof. It is
not entirely clear-‘rom the Justice Department’s memo-
randum and so forth and pleadings in this case whether
they are going to take that position and whether they
are going to take it aggressively, and we would take that
position aggressively. We feel that under United States
versus Georgia, a voting change is a voting change, and
since there has been a redistricting and a re-change, the
question is directly before the Court as to whether or not
the plaintiffs, that is, the City Council, can prove to the
Court that these at large elections for the two seats on
the City [8] Council are not racially discriminatory, and
we would propose that point very aggressively.

Judge Robinson: Am I correct in my understanding that
except for that, your clients would propose to address
themselves only to matters that are within the existing
issues?

Mr. Halpin: Yes, Your Honor.

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Judge Robinson: Very well. Let me inquire of Mr. Shurt-
iff, what is the Government’s position, because in going
over the papers I was not clear either as to whether or
not the issue with reference to the two at large council-
men as distinguished from those elected, the five from the
districts, are in issue here.

Mr. Shurtliff: It is our position, Your Honor, that the
issue of the two at large seats may be reached by this
Court

Judge Robinson: May?

Mr. Shurtliff: May be considered by this Cour: but that
it is really not necessary to get to that issue. The issue,
we believe, can be resolved on the question of whether or
not the districting plan of the five district councilmen had
the purpose or effect of discriminating on the basis of
race, and that that issue can fairly easily be resolved and
that it would not be necessary to get to the question of
the impact of the two at large members.

Judge Robinson: If it turns out that you are incorrect
[9] on that estimate, we would have to reach the question
of the two councilmen at large; would we not?

Mr. Shurtliff: That’s correct.

Judge Waddy: Mr. Stoner, what you are arguing is
that you have no objection to the applicants for inter-
vention to come in as amicus curiae, but you are opposing
the intervention; aren’t you?

Mr. Stoner: I guess, Your Honor, that would be the
effect. Let me say at this point that we do not believe that
the at large seats are at issue before the Court, for the
reason that this is a charter of the City of New Orleans.
It is at issue. It has been in effect since 1954.

Now, that charter specifically calls for five election dis-
tricts and two at large seats. The history of the charter
of New Orleans as set out in the complaint will show that
there have been two elections held within the past year
on the subject matter of changing the charter of the City
of New Orleans. The first proposal was that the charter
be changed so as to expand the council from a seven-man

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body to an 11-man body with nine district councilmen and
two at large.

That matter was submitted to the voters of New Orleans
and was defeated by the electorates.

Following that, a proposal was made that the City Coun-
cil be expanded from its present seven-man body to a nine-
man body, consisting of seven district councilmen and two
[10] at large councilmen. That matter was submitted to
the electorate in an election held this year and was de-
feated.

So that the matter before the Court is the council as
it presently exists; I mean by that the number of council
districts, namely five councilmanic districts and two at
large. That is the law of the City of New Orleans.

The electorate on two occasions has turned down a pro-
posal that the City Council be otherwise constituted. We
would submit that the question of the at large election of
two councilmen is not at issue before this Court. The only
issue before the Court is whether or not the five council
districts as proposed in Plan No. 2 which is submitted to
this Court for approval discriminates in violation of the
Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Judge Waddy: Would it be appropriate, however, for
the Court to consider the two at large seats on the council
in connection with the overall plan for redistricting?

Mr. Storer: Your Honor, I do not think it would, because
I think in effect that the Court then would be considering
—would in effect be rewriting the City Charter of the City
of New Orleans.

Judge Waddy: If we are to determine the effect of the
redistricting, don’t we have to determine it in connection
with the entire package that will result after the redistrict-
ing?

[11] Mr. Stoner: I think you do, Your Honor. I think
the Court does. But I do submit that the City Council as
constituted by the City Charter is the matter which must
be considered by this Court, and that is the five council-
manic districts and the two at large. I do not think that

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this Court can be asked by any party to rewrite the City
Charter of the City of New Orleans.

Judge Robinson: I gather from the papers I have read
and from what you have just said that there is nothing
in the redistricting which is now before the Court that
would affect in anywise boundaries or anything else that
would concern the election of the two councilmen at large?

Mr. Stoner: That is correct, because the boundaries or
the two councilmen at large are the city limits of the City
of New Orleans, and the boundaries we are dealing with
here are the boundaries of the five councilmanie districts.

Judge Robinson: The applicants for intervention, how-
ever, want to intervene not simply in an amicus curiae role
but to intervene to achieve party status, not only for the
purpose of litigating the issues with reference to the coun-
cilmen that are already before the Court, with the state-
ment having been made by counsel for the applicants so
as to justify what the applicants expect to seek in this
litigation.

Do you have a position now with reference to the
[12] motion to intervene in the true sense, not in the
amicus sense?

Mr. Stoner: We have no objection to the intervention
of these parties. We think all the facts should be before
this Court. We do, however, differ with the intervenors on
the question of the two at large. Now, as I understand the
statement

Judge Robinson: Perhaps I can save you a little effort.
It seems to me that unless there is objection to the inter-
vention—and if there is objection, of course, the Court
would have to rule on it—we would permit the intervention
and we would decide later just what the scope of the issues
in this case might be. It is clear enough to me that the
applicants at least want to participate in the litigation of
issues that are framed for decision by the Court.

Now, with that in mind, is there any objection to the
granting of the motion?

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Mr. Stoner: I would submit, Your Honor, that it would
be the plaintiffs’ position that we would have no objection
on that basis. But may I consult with counsel

Judge Robinson: Certainly.

Mr. Stoner: —sitting at counsel table?

(Whereupon, plaintiffs’ counsel confer.
,

Mr. Stoner: The position is as I have just stated. We
would have no objection.

Judge Robinson: Very well.

[13] Mr. Shurtliff, does the United States have a position
on this?

Mr. Shurtliff: We would have no objection to the inter-
vention with full rights.

Judge Robinson: Very well. The Court is now prepared
to grant the motion to intervene subject to the limitation
that I mentioned a bit earlier. Intervention will be granted.
The scope of the issues, however, not only for the purpose
of the intervenors but also for the purpose of other parties,
is a matter which the Court at a later time will undertake
to define.

Also, as the Court indicated earlier, the granting of
this motion will be accompanied by a grant of the motion
to permit the participation of Mr. Williams and Mr. Cotton
as co-counsel for the intervenors in this case.

Now, gentlemen, is there anything else?

Judge Waddy: And leave to file the answer which is
attached to the motion will be granted.

Is there anything else now in connection with the motion
to intervene?

The next matter that the Court would like to take up is
the question of just what sort of presentation counsel
have in mind making. In going over the papers we under-
stand that the plaintiffs and the defendants—and from the
statement [14] made by Mr. Ilalpin, | gather to perhaps
a more limited extent, the intervenors—all contemplate the
introduction of evidence. It certainly would be helpful to
the Court if you gentlemen would define for our edifica-

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tion just what your expectations are in that particular
regard, particularly with reference to the amount of time
you think those presentations are going to take.

Perhaps it would be helpful if I stated that the Court
has great concern stemming from the fact that it is its
understanding that it is desiring to set a date sometime
later this month by which candidates for office in the City
of New Orleans are to qualify. Today, of course, is August
Ith. We do not know as to whether indeed it will be pos-
sible to litigate this question and reach a decision by the
date that counsel for the plaintiffs desire a decision of
the Court. Quite obviously, this is going to be affected by
the nature of the presentations the parties have in mind.

Mr. Stoner, could you tell us what the expectations of
the plaintiffs are?

Mr. Stoner: Yes, sir. May it please the Court, counsel
for the plaintiffs and the Government have been mindful
of the length of time that could be involved in this kind
of litigation, and we have agreed to stipulate to many of
the facts which we think could be helpful in saving the
Court’s time. For instance, the large map which you see
exhibited here [15] is a map that has been stipulated and
shows the distribution of white and black population in
the City of New Orleans as of 1970 census. Counsel for
the Government and Plaintiffs have stipulated that this
‘an be admitted for that purpose without formal proof.

Likewise, we will submit a map showing the distribution
of white and black voters in the City of New Orleans by
registration, and that will include figures, registration fig-
ures as of June 1973. That is just two months ago, and
it has been updated by the research staff of the City of
New Orleans. Likewise, that map will be stipulated by the
parties as to geographically showing the distribution of
lack and white voters.

In addition to that, the Government has requested a
number of stipulations as to some of the other plans that
have been offered by other parties as to other matters
that on behalf of the plaintiffs I would like to present to

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the Court; that we will stipulate wherever we can to the
evidence so as to save the Court some time.

Judge Robinson: Aside from stipulations, as you view
the matter now, Mr. Stoner, what do you think the time re-
quirements for the plaintiffs’ presentation will be?

Mr. Stoner: Your Honor, | think for the most part we
could offer all our evidence today.

Judge Waddy: We are not talking about arguments. We
[16] are talking about presentation of evidence plus ar-
guments.

Mr. Stoner: I would think that the case should be able
to be tried today and tomorrow from both our standpoints.

Judge Waddy: How many live witnesses do you antici-
pate?

Mr. Stoner: We intend to call at least one member of
the City Council and possibly two members of the City
Council Planning Staff and possibly a third. So, as of the
present time we would expect five witnesses.

Judge Robinson: Very well, Mr. Stoner.

Mr. Shurtliff, what are your expectations?

Mr. Shurtliff: May it please the Court, depending on
how successful we are stipulating to some of the exhibits
that we have proposed, we would anticipate calling four
witnesses who would be rather short, we expect, and also
extensive cross-examination of some of the—extensive in
terms of an hour or so, I would expect, on two of the
witnesses offered by the plaintiffs in the case.

| would agree with Mr. Stoner that in all likelihood the
case could easily be tried today and tomorrow, especially
if we were able to resolve a couple of minor disagreements
on four of the prepared exhibits that we have prepared.

Judge Robinson: And if you do not make this resolution?

Mr. Shurtliff: [ would anticipate it may take 20 minutes
of the Court’s time for us to put someone on to explain
[17] the method by which those exhibits were prepared.

Judge Robinson: How long do you think it will take to
resolve it? Less than 20 minutes?

Mr. Shurtliff: 1 would hope so.

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Judge Robinson: Very weil. Mr. Halpin?

Mr. Halpin: Your Honor, we would generally also be
willing to stipulate where we can. We intend at this time
to call only one witness. But since we are in a defendant’s
position, of course, if we see that it is necessary for re-
buttal testimony, other witnesses might be appropriate.
But my anticipation at this time is a single short witness.

Judge Robinson: And your estimation of the amount of
time it will take for that, sir?

Mr. Halpin: I would say 20 minutes to half an hour for
examination and cross-examination.

Judge Robinson: Very well. So much for the evidentiary
presentations. ,

Gentlemen, how about other needs in connection with
this case, legal argument and that sort of thing? I recog-
nize that it may be somewhat difficult to make estimates
at this time, until the evidence has been presented.

The Court, in an effort to facilitate this litigation as
much as possible, did call on counsel for some preliminary
statements of legal positions prior to its sitting today.
After the evidence has been taken and the case has been
sub- [18] mitted to the Court, the needs for presentation
of written argument, perhaps also all argument, may ob-
viously be quite different.

What are your feelings in that regard, Mr. Stoner?

Mr. Stoner: Your Honor, with that accepted position
of the Court, I would think that closing argument, a half
to three-quarters of an hour, possibly an hour in closing
argument, depending on the extent of the evidence. |

Judge Robinson: Do you expect to file any sort of legal
brief in this case?

Mr. Stoner: As of this moment, we would not. But it
may develop as the testimony comes in that, yes, we would.

Judge Robinson: Very well. Mr. Shurtliff,

Mr. Shurtliff: Your Honor, I would think that most of
the evidence will be in the form of maps, statistics, mat-
ters of that sort, testimony of witnesses, | really don’t

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believe that oral argument would need be very extensive,
if at all necessary.

Judge Robinson: How about written briefs?

Mr. Shurtliff: I would think, if the Court please, that
a written brief might well be the best way to set out the
positions of the parties.

Judge Robinson: And your estimate of time demands in
that respect?

Mr. Shurtliff: I really couldn’t estimate. We could [19] do
it rather rapidly as we did at your request for the pre-
trial memorandum. Of course, it would take more effort,
but hopefully it will not take much longer if the Court
directs.

Judge Robinson: Mr. Halpin?

Mr. Halpin: I expect that our oral argument will be
brief, and assuming that the other issues are covered by
the Department, will be specifically directed to the question
of the two at large districts. I anticipate at this time that
I will be able on that oral argument to cover our legal
arguments in that respect without the necessity of a written
brief. But should we file a written brief, we can certainly
file it within any time allowed for the Department to
file theirs.

Judge Robinson: Very well, gentlemen. This is a very
important case. Speaking simply for myself and irrespec-
tive of the present plans of counsel, I may in all probability
request counsel to file written briefs. The importance of
the litigation, the apparent complexities of the case, to say
nothing of the unexpected which cannot be gaugea at this
present time, would all seem to indicate that written sub-
missions of that character may very well be in order. I
do not know whether my colleagues want to express them-
selves on that or not.

(Whereupon, the Court confers. )

Judge Robinson: Our present feeling, gentlemen, is that
we will be sensitive to a need for briefs and also proposed
findings of fact and conclusions of law from you gentlemen.

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[20] I announce that at this time for whatever bearing it
may have on the question of timing, that we have under
consideration.

I would like to address this question to all parties. Quite
obviously, with this litigation being filed on July 25th and
the matter having been set for hearing today, there has
been no opportunity for depositions or interrogations or
any other discovery process up to the present time.

Do counsel feel that if an opportunity of that sort were
available it would facilitate the presentations not only
from the Court’s viewpoint but also from counsel’s view-
point?

Mr. Stoner?

Mr. Stoner: Your Honor, I might represent to the Court
that by stipulation of parties, depositions of the three
members of the Council Research Staff were taken in New
Orleans last Friday

Judge Robinson: Is that right?

Mr. Stoner: —upon notice that the case was set down
for hearing. We stipulated, and my partner, Mr. Treese
and I, and Mr. Shurtliff, went to New Orleans last week
and started to prepare our case, and depositions were taken.
I don’t believe that any further pre-trial would be necessary
from your standpoint. .

Judge Robinson: Are the depositions transcribed? Are
they available now?

Mr. Stoner: They sir, Your Honor. Yes, they are.

[21] Judge Robinson: And the witnesses deposed, Mr.
Stoner, again were whom?

Mr. Stoner: There were three members of the Council
Research Staff, the Director and two of his assistants.

Judge Robinson: That is a group, as I understand, that
did the planning with reference to the redistricting that
is now before the Court?

Mr. Stoner: That’s right. They did the statistical work
and the preparation of several plans and several alterna-
tive plans. They are all three here in the courtroom, and
we will offer them as witnesses. But their depositions have

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been taken and the Government does know the extent of
their knowledge and testimony.

Judge Waddy: Do you plan to have live witnesses to
explain the various maps and diagrams that you say you
have here in addition to the five that you have mentioned?

Mr. Stoner: No, I think these five would be used for
that purpose.

Judge Waddy: They would be used for that purpose?

Mr. Stoner: Yes, sir, Your Honor.

Judge Robinson: Very well, Mr. Shurtliff.

Mr. Shurtliff: Depositions were taken and they are trans-
cribed. However, they were taken for the purposes of dis-
covery. We did not get into the question with those three
witnesses whether or not they could be introduced for evi-
dentiary [22] purposes.-It is my judgment that if we
could introduce those exhibits—the depositions taken of the
three Research Staff members—that it would limit there-
fore the necessity for in-depth examination when they do
appear, and it would be time-saving in that respect.

Judge Robinson: The depositions were taken at whose
instance?

Mr. Shurtliff: The Government’s, Your Honor. I would
think if we could get some of the information in through
the depositions, it would not be necessary for us to set
out the methods in particular as to how the plans were
arrived at. There is quite a bit of background material
that sets the stage, but

Judge Robinson: Have you discussed this aspect of the
matter of this possibility with other counsel?

Mr. Shurtliff: We have not, Your Honor. One other
matter. On the time element and so forth, we have pro-
posed four exhibits which we have discussed briefly with
counsel for the plaintiffs, and they have some reservations
about stipulating to their use at this time. If it became
necessary for us to put on supporting testimony or to add
to those exhibits, it would take us some time in those
respects. We believe that it would have us considerable

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effort if we can arrive at a stipulation as to the those four
exhibits.

Judge Robinson: Now, how soon could you let us know
[23] in that regard?

Mr. Shurtliff: As to whether or not——

Judge Robinson: As to whether a stipulation can be
reached.

Judge Waddy: In other words, if we took a brief recess,
could counsel get together within a reasonable time here
and advise the Court fully as to what they have stipulated
to?

Mr. Stoner: May I be heard on this, Your Honors?

Judge Waddy: Yes.

Mr. Stoner: Counsel for the Government has requested
that 22 exhibits be stipulated to. Now, we have agreed to
stipulate to all of these except four. The four that we
have not agreed to, we don’t feel, are really competent
evidence.

For example, one is a portion of an ad that appeared
in one of the New Orleans’ newspapers. It was an ad that
was placed there by the City of New Orleans announcing
the election, but it does not include the whole ad. It only
includes a portion of the ad. We think the Court should
have the entire ad to really assess the import.

Judge Waddy: Do you have the balance of it?

Mr. Stoner: We do not, Your Honor; we do not. Now,
we objected to the admission of part of the ad. We say
the whole ad should be admitted.

Then there is also a letter from one of the councilmen
[24] who voted against this plan. Incidentally, the plan
before the Court as set out in the complaint was a six to
one vote. There is a letter by one of the councilmen which
we don’t think is appropriate. I understand that the coun-
cilman is here in the City of Washington, and any evidence
that he should have to present, we think he should do it
live,

In addressing ourselves to the question of the use of
the depositions for other than discovery purposes, we

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think it is unfair to the Court when the witnesses are here
to use those depositions for evidentiary purposes. In other
words, we have brought those witnesses here so that the
Court can see them in person and assess the testimony
which we will adduce. We believe it is unfair to the Court
to rule on this issue without seeing the witnesses who
will be giving substantially statistical facts to the Court.

Judge Robinson: I think that probably the Court may
be of some assistance to counsel, if you will indulge me.

(Whereupon, the Court confers. )

Judge Robinson: Gentlemen, we are going to take a
recess to enable counsel to see whether they ean finalize
the possibilities of stipulations and other procedures that
may have a tendency to shorten this presentation. I want
to impress on counsel that the only reason for suggesting
that counsel do that so as to shorten this matter is not
only the reason that ordinarily contributes to judicial econ-
omy but also because we [25] simply have this dreadful
time problem that I mentioned before. The Court has tried
to cooperate as far as it can and, of course, it will expect
counsel to do the same thing.

Now, before we take this recess, I would like to ask
Mr. Stoner just a couple of questions, and I am asking
these only out of an abundance of precaution.

If the case were ready for submission to the Court now,
[ would have no idea as to whether the Court could get
its decision out in time to enable the setting of a qualifi-
cation date later this month or indeed anytime soon.

What will be the consequence to the people of New
Orleans if delay in that regard is unavoidable? I would
like you also to tell me just how this matter has been
handled since the point—when was it? In 1971—when the
City Council first began to work on the matter of redistrict-
ing with respect to elections other than the referendums
that were had in two instances? In other words, have there
been instances where the problem of elections in New Or-

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leans of some kind or another have had to be handled?
If so, how were they handled, Mr. Stoner?

Mr. Stoner: May it please the Court, I understand that
the present law—maybe Mr: Arata or Mr. Salatich can
help me—but I understand that the present law requires
the setting of a time late in August of 1973 for qualification
for the November election. Now
[26] Judge Robinson: Oh, in August you simply set an-
other time instead of setting a time which is the time for

qualification in August?

Mr. Stoner: No, no. The time is set in August, in the
latter part of August, 1973, for qualification. Now, this
would require notice to the electorate as to the last date
for qualifying for the primary election.

Judge Robinson: And the latest possible date in that
regard would be what?

Mr. Stoner: If the Court will indulge me one second.

Mr. Salatich, can you answer that question?

Mr. Salatich: It would be approximately sometime in
the iatter days of January, Your Honor. There is a latitude
in there, a few days.

Mr. Stoner. Of August.

Mr. Salatich: August.

Judge Waddy: Give us the earliest date and the latest
date.

Mr. Salatich: If my memory serves me correctly, it would
be about September Ist, August 26th; somewhere in that
interval. August 27th to September Ist. About a three-day
interval in that connection.

Mr. Halpin: If I might—

Judge Robinson: Just a moment. We will indulge you
in just a bit.

27] All right. Now, what happens if we can’t make that
date?

Mr. Stoner: I believe that—if the Court will indulge me.

(Whereupon, Mr. Stoner and Mr. Salatich confer.)

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Mr. Stoner: I am informed, Your Honors, that the Court
could set other dates for the qualification but

Judge Robinson: Which Court?

Mr. Stoner :—the Novembe: election

Judge Robinson: Which Court?

Mr. Stoner: Presumably this Court, Your Honor, in
view of the pendency of this matter. The present status
of the matter is that an election cannot be held now unless
this Court approves this plan.

Judge Robinson: Has there been any elections other than
the two referendums since the matter of redistricting was
embarked upon by the Council?

Mr. Stoner: Yes, I believe there was a national election
that was held last November and——

Judge Robinson: Was it affected by the problem that
is presented by this litigation?

Mr. Stoner: It was not, Your Honor. This is redistricted
to the local elections in the City of New Orleans.

Judge Robinson: In other words, unless the election con-
cerns voting to put in office five members of the Council
(28; from the five electoral districts in New Orleans, you
do not have this problem; is that the answer to it?

Mr. Stoner: That’s correct, that’s correct. It is redis-
tricted just to the five councilmanic districts. Well, really
I guess it is the five councilmaniec districts and the two
at large of the City of New Orleans. So, it is merely a

local issue.

Judge Waddy: Is the November date set by ordinance
or statute or has that been an ad hoc date?

Mr. Stoner: No, that’s been set by the statute of the
State of Louisiana.

Judge Waddy: And if you could not proceed with that
election in November, when would the next one be? Next
November or when?

Mr. Stoner: Well, I am sure there is machinery for the
establishment of

Judge Waddy: For a special election?

Mr. Sioner: For a special election.

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May we consult just one moment?

Judge Robinson: Well, why don’t we afford counsel this
opportunity in the recess that I mentioned before. I know
that you gentlemen are as aware as we are that the need
to postpone elections, sometimes even to enjoin elections,
has appeared in some of the litigation with reference to
Section 5 problems. The purpose of this explanation, of
course, was to [29] size up the problem in this case.

Gentlemen, how much time do you think you would need
to accomplish these several purposes?

Mr. Stoner: Minutes.

Judge Robinson: How long a recess do we need to take?

Mr. Halpin, I must apologize. | said a few minutes ago
that the Court would recognize you in due course. Can
this be held until after?

Mr. Halpin: I simply wanted to say for the Court’s
benefit that my knowledge on this is that the District Court
in New Orleans has considered this problem also relative
to moving the qualification date back. When the Louisiana
legislature was redistricted by a special master appointed
by the Federal Court recently, the qualifying date had been
moved back in that instance, and I think there would be no
problem to either this Court or that Court moving the
qualification date without disturbing the election.

Judge Robinson: Gentlemen, we will take a recess. Since
it isn’t quite certain as to just what amount of time you
gentlemen will need, suppose we take a recess until further
order of the Court. When you gentlemen have exhausted
the possibilities of stipulating and the possibilities of any-
thing else that may facilitate the presentation of your
respective positions in this case, would you notify the
Marshal, and as promptly thereafter as may be possible
the Court will then [30] reconvene.

With that the Court will stand in recess until further
order.

(Whereupon, the Court then, at 10:55 o’clock a.m., stood
in recess until 11:30 o’clock a.m., at which time it recon-
vened. )

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(During the recess, the fcllowing exhibits were marked
for identification: Plaintiff’s Exhibits 1, 2 and 3; De-
fendant’s Exhibits 1 through 16, 18, and 21 through 24.)

Judge Robinson: Very well. Is there anything further
that you would want to report to the Court on the events
occurring during recess?

Mr. Stoner: I can report to the Court that we have
discussed the request for various stipulations and we will
be able to deal with them. I believe we have made some
headway and we have to resolve some misunderstanding
between counsel, and we have made some headway that
should have the effect of shortening the offer of the
evidence.

Judge Robinson: And during the course of this trial
there, of course, will be continuing opportunity for counsel
to cooperate in this regard.

Mr. Stoner: Yes.

Judge Robinson: Thank you very much, Mr. Stoner.

Do other counsel wish to report anything to the Court
[31] at this time?

Mr. Halpin?

Mr. Halpin: I would like to respond briefly to what Mr.
Stoner had indicated relative to the Court’s power and so
forth and state our position on that.

I think it is beyond question that the Court does have
power to enjoin the elections. A similar court did so in
the City of Petersburg, and there is no question that that
could be done. Our interest

Judge Robinson: Well, in Petersburg and in other cases
too.

Mr. Halpin: Yes, sir, in any number of cases. I can
cite the Court to a number of District Court decisions in
Louisiana which have done that also.

As a practical matter, what we would like to point out
to the Court is that in Louisiana the incumbents, of course,
are all white. Many of the black candidates will be running
for the City Council perhaps for the first time with the

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realistic chance of being able to win. We are very opposed
to having a short period of campaigning. We think if the
Court is going to consider delaying part of the election
process, they should delay all of it. That is, there is no
reason why the Court couldn’t allow the other municipal
elections to go under way at the regularly scheduled time
and move hack not only the qualifying period but also
the elections for City Councilmen, so that [32] the class
that we represent will have an equal opportunity to presert
their campaign to the voters as do the incumbents who
are well-known by virtue of their incumbency.

Judge Robinson: Gentlemen, thank you very much. As
I think is well attested to by what has happened up to
the present time, the Court is expending every effort to
accommodate the exigencies of time associated with the
New Orieans situation. The matter was raised with counsel
this morning because, quite obviously, the question is just
how much maybe possible, and we felt some enlightenment
might be helpful to us at this time. We will continue to do
everything that we can to expedite the resolution of this
litigation.

If it becomes apparent to the Court that it cannot be
done by the end of this month—and the possibility of that,
of course, is quite great—in all probability we will be dis-
cussing details with counsel again at a later time.

I will also say for the information of counsel and the
parties that during the recess period we succeeded in clear-
ing out today and tomorrow for the purposes of the evi-
dentiary presentations based upon the estimate of counsel
that it could be done within this space of time. It is the
hope of the Court that it can be done within this space
of time, because the members of the Court have dreadful
problems if it becomes necessary to extend this trial be-
yond tomorrow.

We will proceed then with the taking of evidence, unless
[33] there is some other preliminary matter.

Do counsel desire the rule on witnesses?

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Mr. Stoner: We do not.

Mr. Shurtliff: We do not, Your Honor.

Judge Robinson: Mr. Halpin?

Mr. Halpin: No.

Judge Robinson: Do you desire to make opening state-
ments? We are fairly familiar with the case and so far
as the Court is concerned, they may be dispensed with
unless you gentlemen want to make them.

Mr. Stoner: Your Honor, I would prefer a short open-
ing statement.

Judge Robinson: Very well. All right, Mr. Stoner, you
may proceed.

Mr. Stoner: I will assure the Court I will keep it as
short as possible.

OPENING STATEMENT BY Mr. STONER.

Mr. Stoner: The case before the Court is an action

brought under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965
as it is commonly referred to. In this case the Council of
the City of New Orleans, acting for and on behalf of the
City of New Orleans, has brought an action to declare
the second plan which it has adopted of redistricting a valid
plan for the redistricting of the City of New Orleans for
purposes of the election of the Council of the City of
New Orleans.
[34] We have present with us in the courtroom five of
the six plaintiffs, all of whom are members of the City
Council, and I should like to just briefly introduce them
to the Court at this time. Mr. Peter H. Beer, Mr. Philip
Ciaccio, Mr. Joseph DiRosa, Mr. John Lambert, and Mr.
James A. Moreau.

[ might say that Mr. DiRosa and Mr. Moreau are the
two councilmen who have been elected at large. The other
three persons are representatives of districts in the City
of New Orleans.

Under the Charter of the City of New Orleans, it is
mandatory that the City Council redistrict itself every 10

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years. This is a Charter provision that was adopted in
1954 and has been in existence since. it requires the City
Council to redistrict itself following each decennial census
of the United States Census Bureau.

Judge Robinson: The Charter itself is a creature of the
citizens of New Orleans, or does the legislature or any
other political subdivision of the State of Louisiana play
a part in that? Somehow I though—I understood that this
was a Charter framed by the citizens of New Orleans for
the citizens of New Orleans. Do I have the right impression?

Mr. Arata: That’s right, but it is also protected by our
constitution.

Judge Robinson: Legislative approval or executive ap-
proval is not necessary to any amendments of the Charter?
[35] Mr. Arata: For any amendment of the Charter we
need a vote of all the people.

Judge Robinson: But you do not have to go beyond the
citizenry of the City of New Orleans?

Mr. Arata: That’s correct.

Judge Robinson: Very well. Thank you.

Mr. Stoner: Now, the Charter itself, to state again, makes
it mandatory that the Council redistrict itself every 10
years. This is founded in purpose, namely, that as popula-
tion changes occur in the City, the districts should be drawn
so as to retiect the changes in population trends in the
various districts of the City.

Following the submission of the 1970 census information,
the City Council adopted a plan to redistrict the City.
There was a great political feeling in the City that the
size of the City Council should be increased. So, the City
Council adopted a proposal to increase the number of
representatives on the City Council. I shall not go through
all the details but will point out to the Covrt’s attention
that the first proposal that was submitted to the voters
called for the increase of the size of the City Council from
its seven-man membership to 11. This was submitted to the
voters and an election was held on November 7, 1972, and
that proposal was defeated by the electorate.

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Following that, another proposal to increase the size
[36] of the City Council was adopted by the City Council
and submitted to the electorate. A special election was held
on March 20, 1973, at which time that proposal was pre-
sented to the voters. This proposal called for an increase
of the City Council from its present seven members to a
nine-member council. Again the electorate defeated this
proposal.

So, the issue before this Court is the redistricting of a
seven-member City Council as provided in the Charter of
the City and as affirmed—apparently as affirmed by the
voters in two elections since the 1970 decennial census in-
formation has become available.

Of the seven members of the Council, two run at large;
five run in districts. The districting of those five districts
is the issue which this Court must address.

Now, I have displayed here several maps. The large
map—and I might say to the Court that these maps, it has
been agreed between counsel that they will be stipulated
as being accurate and may be admitted into evidence, and
I will offer them in evidence at a later time.

But the large map portrays the City of New Orleans
and portrays the distribution of the white and the black
population. Each orange dot represents 100 black popula-
tion.

The information from which this map has been prepared
is based on the 1970 decennial population information.

Now, I should like to point out on this map several
[37] weographic peculiarities of the City of New Orleans
so that all of us might become familiar with the geography
and some of the natural boundaries.

I will point out first the line between Jefferson Parish
and Orleans Parish. This is a line separating the City
of New Orleans from Jefferson Parish. So, we are involved
only with the area to the right of that line.

We have here the natural geographic boundary, the
Mississippi River, which you will note curves quite mark-
edly through the City and goes on. We have here the

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natural boundary of Lake Pontchartrain in the boundary,
which follows this line and goes on. I understand that this
airport which you see portrayed here is in fact built out
into the lake, and the natural boundary of the lake is on
the lower side of the airport as portrayed there.

Now, in addition to this, the map does not show the entire
City because there is a leg of land that extends out here
along Lake Pontchartrain and along the intercoastal water-
way, which is a body of water, and I believe the line of
that is roughly this. There is a leg of land that extends
out some distance between Lake Pontchartrain and the
intercoastal waterway. I am informed that this is a very
sparsely populated area. I mean by that the extended por-
tion of the City, the leg of the City is sparsely populated,
and indeed, as you can see from the map itself, even the
center part of this area is [38] very sparsely populated.
This area of the City is known as New Orleans East or
East New Orleans, and I mean by that this City here.

This area of the City here which borders the lake is
known as the Lake area.

There is another very important geographic distinction
that I would like to call to the Court’s attention, and that
is the area which is across the river, across the Mississippi
River from the downtown area of the City of New Orleans.
It is a part of the City and it is known as Algiers. This
area here across the Mississippi River from this area ex-
tends along the river and is part of the City of New Orleans.

This again here is the line dividing Orleans Parish from
St. Bernard Parish, so that the City line is this black line.
This is the Mississippi River. This is the area of Algiers,
which is part of the City of New Orleans that is across
the river from the rest of the City.

Judge Robinson: Would you mind pointing out where
the one bridge between Algiers and downtown New Orleans
is?

Mr. Stoner: Yes, Your Honor. The bridge, I am informed,
is about in this area, approximately here. It is on sort of
the edge of Algiers.

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Judge Robinson: I gather that that is not the only bridge
but it is the only bridge between Algiers and downtown;
is that correct?

[39] Mr. Stoner: You are right, Your Honor. In fact, it
is the only bridge in the City of New Orleans. There is a
bridge

Judge Robinson: There is no other bridge between Al-
giers and New Orleans, only tlie one bridge?

Mr. Stoner: And the main downtown City? Yes, Your
Honor, that’s right.

Judge Robinson: No, no, not downtown. Any other place
in New Orleans?

Mr. Stoner: Between Algiers and

Judge Robinson: Any part of New Orleans.

Mr. Stoner: There is only one bridge.

Judge Robinson: Thank you.

Mr. Stoner: There is only one bridge. There is a bridge
across the Mississippi considerably up river in Jefferson
Parish, but the only bridge between Algiers and the rest
of New Orleans is about here. It is one bridge and one
bridge only.

Judge Robinson: Now, Algiers at the present time, that
is, under the plan under consideration, is now part of the
Third District; right?

Mr. Stoner: Under the plan as submitted, and I might——

Judge Robinson: District C, as I recall.

Mr. Stoner: I might refer to this map
[40] Judge Robinson: Yes, I see.

Mr. Stoner: —which is Exhibit H to the Complaint. Un-
der that plan, the Algiers area is in District C, and is
included in the district directly across the river from it.

Judge Robinson: Is that one district also, in District C?

Mr. Stoner: The one bridge?

Judge Robinson: The one bridge.

Mr. Stoner: It is very close to the line, I believe, yes.
I see the gentlemen nodding their head. I believe the bridge
is very close to the line between Algiers and District C.

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There is also a ferry, I understand, approximately in
the same position as the bridge that commonly runs be-
tween Algiers and this area of the City.

It might be more descriptive on this map to say the other
bridge is considerably up river from the bridge which
presently exists here to Algiers.

Now, as I said, having oriented ourselves geographically,
I would like to point out the natural boundaries of the
City again, namely, the Lake, the Mississippi River itself,
the intercoastal waterway here, the leg of the City extend-
ing out there know as East New Orleans, and Algiers which
is in this area.

The evidence will show that Algiers is a growing area
and that there has been great controversy and great pres-
sure for [41] another bridge across the river.

I would like at this time to interject and say that the
present plan of districting in the City of New Orleans,
that is, the plan that has been in existence since 1961,
includes Algiers as part of District A, which is this district
here, and there has been a great controversy between,
the evidence will show, the population of Algiers and the
population of District A as to the location of a bridge. In
fact, this matter has not ben resolved through years of
controversy.

As I stated earlier, this map portrays the distribution of
the black and the white population of the City of New
Orleans, the orange being the black and the green repre-
senting white voters, each dot representing 100 population
in each case. You will note that the black population is
scattered throughout the City and, indeed, in many respects
it would appear that the City is an integrated city. There
is black population in East New Orleans, along Lake Pont-
chartrain Park Area, in these areas. I believe that’s Ward
7. There is black population out here in 17 interspersed
with considerable white population. There is a concentra-
tiun of black population in this area, which I believe on
this exhibit portrays itself as proposed council District B.

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There is also considerable black population in this area

of the City and in this area and across, indeed, in Algiers
there is considerable black population.
[42] So that the popuiation of the City is not concentrated
in a core area or in a, if I may use the phrase, ghetto
area, but rather is it spread out throughout many areas of
the City and indeed practically every area of the City, with
the possible exception of this leg of land between the City
Park and Lake Pontchartrain here; that doesn’t appear
to have any black population. But otherwise, the black
population is indeed spread throughomt-the City.

Now, I would call to the Court’s attention what has been
marked as Plaintiffs’ Exhibit 3, which is an exhibit too tu
the Complaint. It is Exhibit H. I believe that the Court
has copies of this exhibit.

This is a map of the City which portrays the plan that
is before the Court for consideration, and you will see
the five councilmanic districts, the City divided into five
councilmanic districts: District A, District B, District C,
which is on both sides of the City Park and runs to the
lake and extends over to include the entire Algiers area.

You will see District D as being an area here where I
am pointing to, and District FE including all of East New
Urleans and portrayed on this map apparently in this area.

These are the five councilmaniec districts that the City
Charter calls for as portrayed by the present plan which
is before the Court for consideration.

Now, the evidence will show that prior plans that had
[43] been submitted, prior public controversy, prior public
debate had centered around Algiers. The people of Algiers
felt that they had a common interest with one another and
therefore should, as a group, be located, be blocked in one
councilmanic district. The first pian which had been ap-
proved had cut Algiers into three districts, and there was
great objection to the cutting of that area of the City into
three councilmanic districts.

There had been also proposed plans, I believe, that would
cut Algiers in two, but the City Council felt that this being

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an overriding issue, namely, the bridge issue, the trans-
portation issue, and the transportation from Algiers to
the rest of the City being a vital issue, it was important
that Algiers as a body, the people of Algiers as a body
should be included in one councilmanie district rather than
split among other councilmanie districts.

Now, the other map, which is underneath—I will ask the
Court’s indulgence just a moment here—is a map that has
been stipulated to by the parties, and it has been nrepared
from current voter registration lists as of June of 1973.
In other words, the information on this map is only two
months old. It is current information.

In this map each brown dot represents 50 black regis-

tered voters. Each green dot represents 50 white registered
voters.
[44] I would cali to the Court’s attention again the dis-
persal of the voters throughout the City of New Orleans
into the various councilmanic districts as proposed in the
plan. Again, we do not nave a case of the voters all being
bunched but rather geographically the registered voters,
just as in the population case, are extended throughout the
City.

I believe the evidence will also show that among the
black population there is a large percentage of young
people, and I mean by that people under 18 years of age.
This would tend to explain what might appear to be a
little disparagy between the population map and the voter
registration map. So that while this map represents popu-
lation, many of the people included in these figures would
be under 18 years of age and thus not eligible to vote.

On the other hand, this map represents those who are
18 years of age and in fact have registered to vote.

Now, the request of this City Council is this: After three
years following the ’70 decennial census—I belive the evi-
dence will show the in.ormation regarding the decennial
census was made available about August or September,
the first information, of 1970. So, for three years this City
has not redistricted itself as required by the City Charter.

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The Council of the City is charged with the responsidility
of redistricting the City.

The evidence will show that with respect to the [45] vari-
ous plans, public hearings were held both in the daytime
and at night, at which time parties had an opportunity to
come forward and to present their views as to the district-
ing of the City. The City Council has adopted the plan
which is represented on this map and which has been at-
tached to the Complaint. It believes that this is a fair and
equitable plan and complies 100 per cent with Section 5
of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

We submit that this is a plan that should be approved
by this Court as being a viable plan.

I would call the Court’s attention to the fact that we
are dealing with a plan which really will be only used for
a period of seven years because in 1980, by the Charter
of the City of New Orleans, again the City Council as it
then exists will be required to redistrict itself. So, we are
dealing here with a plan which will in fact, looking into
the future, be used for the 1974 election. Incidentally, the
election will be held in March of ’74 for these councilmanic
districts. So, we are dealing here with a plan that will be
used in 1974 and again in 1978, and prior to the 1982 elec-
tion the City Council, by its Charter, will be required to
redistrict itself to then reflect changes in the pollution that
occurred during the next seven years.

So, the plan that being submitted here and which the
Court is being to approve is a plan that will be used
[46] for two elections, and in 1982 the City will be required
to redistrict itself again.

The evidence will show that this is a fair and equitable
plan to the voters of New Orleans and does not deprive
anyone of his right to vote or dilute his vote by reason of
color or creed.

Judge Robinson: Very well, Mr. Stoner.

Mr. Shurtliff, would the Government desire to make an
opening statement at this time?

Mr. Shurtliff: Not at this time, Your Honor.

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Judge Robinson: Very well.

Mr. Halpin?

Mr. Halpin: Mr. Cotton will make an opening statement,
Your Honor.

Mr. Cotton: I would like at this time to make an opening
statement.

Judge Robinson: Very well, Mr. Cotton.

Mr. Cotton: As previously claimed, Your Honor, we rep-
resent a class of black persons, black people in Louisiana,
which comprises 46 per cent of the black population.

As the evidence will show, there has never been a black
person on the City Council. In fact, the present City Council
is all white.

The evidence will further show that because of the racial
complexion of the City Council, black people have [47] suf-
fered tremendously in the amount of city service, municipal
service.

The evidence will further show that the two at large
seats which we as defendant intervenors—is in fact a quota
for white candidates. The evidence will show that it is very
difficult for a black person to legitimately run for these two
at large seats and to publicly claim a black constituency
and at the same time successfully prevail in an election in
the City of New Orleans.

I would like to at this point pay deference to counsel
and show that in the City of New Orleans there is in fact
pockets of black persons along the river, in this area (in-
dicating).

The evidence will further show that the present incum-
bent city councilmen all live in close proximity to each
other, and the first plan and the second plan were guaran-
teed that they would retain their positions on the City
Council.

We intend to prove that throughout the history of elee-
toral polities in the City of New Orleans, racism has always
been a predominating factor up until this point. We intend
to prove that because of the discrimination in voting in
electoral politics in the City of New Orleans, that there is

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a residual effect upon the black voting population in the
City of New Orleans, so much so that unless this Court
takes into account the two at large seats, it will be at least
a decade or better [48] before a black person can legiti-
mately and successfully compete for those positions.

We intend to show that the present City Council drafted
two plans; that there was adequate time to come up with
a plan suitable to meet the guidelines of the Voters Rights
Act, and that the present City Council, for reasons and
purposes which will later come out in the evidence, did two
things: They guaranteed themselves re-election and at the
same time purposely, purposely came out with a plan that
had the effect of diluting the black vote.

We intend to show that unless seven single member dis-
tricts are included within the reapportionment plan, black
people in the City of New Orleans will at best be confined
to five positions and, if the present plan is adopted, only
one position, which is questionable.

We intend to show finally that this Court does have
the equitable powers to, one, enjoin the elections, and to
come up with a plan that is equitable for all parties, both
black and white, in City of New Orleans.

Again I say, we represent 46 per cent of the black popu-
lace in the City of New Orleans. Black people have been
denied legitimate entrance into electoral politics in the City
Government in the City of New Orleans. We will show,
unless this Court takes significant action, that that trend
wilt continue for the next decade.

[49] Judge Waddy: Do I understand you to say that this
Court must come up with a plan for the redistricting?

Mr. Cotton: No. Your Honor. I said that unless this
Court takes some action——

Judge Waddy: I thought you said a few minutes ago
that this Court had to come up with a plan.

Mr. Cotton: If I did, Your Honor

Judge Waddy: I was wondering, what was your authority
for that.

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Mr. Cotton: If I did, Your Honor, I was in error.

Judge Waddy: All right.

Mr. Cotton: Unless this Court takes some action with
regard to the plan under consideration, black persons will
suffer in the City of New Orleans for the next decade.

Judge Robinson: Very well, Mr. Cotton.

Mr. Stoner, you may proceed with the evidence.

Mr. Stoner: I would like to call as the first witness of
the plaintiffs, Councilman Beer of the City of New Orleans.

May it please the Court, the Plaintiff would like to re-
quest the rule on witnesses, if we might. I previously said
that it would not be necessary, but we have been asked to
change that. We will change that.

Judge Robinson: Very well. All witnesses in the case— -

Marshal, can you accommodate the witnesses?

[50] The Marshal: Yes, sir.

Judge Robinson: Will you do so before administering
the oath.

The Marshal: Yes, sir.

The Deputy Clerk: All witnesses who expect to testify
in this case, please follow the marshal to the witness room
until called; all witnesses on both sides.

Mr. Shurtliff: May it please the Court,——

Judge Robinson: Mr. Shurtliff.

Mr. Shurtliff: We have a young man who has prepared
many of the exhibits for us purely in a technical sense.
He is not a resident of New Orleans and not interested in
the matter at all. It might be necessary for him to testify.
But in the meantime, he would be helpful to us in keeping
up with the exhibits.

Judge Robinson: Would you ‘Jentify him for the record?

Mr. Shurtliff: Mr. Tolmach.

Judge Robinson: @nd your request is that he be per-
mitted to remain in the courtroom?

Mr. Shurtliff: That’s correct.

Judge Robinson: Is there objection?

Mr. Stoner: We have no objection to that.

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Mr. Halpin: Your Honor, the only witness that we in-
tended to call was Mr. Johnny Jackson, who is the plaintiff,
[51] and——

Judge Robinson: He is a party.

Mr. Halpin: Who is a party, and we would like

Judge Robinson: He may remain. All right, gentlemen.

Mr. Stoner: No objection.

Judge Robinson: All right. The clerk may administer
the oath.

Whereupon,
Peter H. Beer,

one of the plaintiffs herein, was called as a witness in his
own behalf, and, having been first duly sworn, was exam-
ined and testified as follows:

Mr. Stoner: May it please the Court, before questioning
Mr. Beer, I would like to move at this time the admission
into evidence of all the exhibits that have been attached to
the Complaint. This is done in view of the stipulation that
has been entered by the parties. I would also move that the
population map which I have referred to in my opening
statement and also the voter registration map which I
have referred to in my opening statement be admitted in
evidence. This too is done with the stipulation of counsel.

Judge Robinson: Very well. Those exhibits will be re-
ceived. However, Mr. Stoner, I think it would be helpful
for purposes of the transcript if you identify each of these
exhibits you refer to. You have referred to three maps.
You have [52] referred to exhibits attached to the Com-
plaint.

Judge Waddy: They should be marked.

Judge Robinson: Let’s have them marked and give them
numbers which will be points of reference for the remainder
of this trial. Is that agreeable?

Mr. Stoner: Yes.

Judge Robinson: Al! right. Which one do you want? Do
you have any particular order that you want?

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Mr. Stoner: I have none. I would have started with
Number 1, Exhibit A to the Complaint and go through
those and then pick these up. I believe numbers have al-
ready been put on these three exhibits.

Judge Waddy: Mrs. Kelly, do you have marks on those?

The Deputy Clerk: Yes, sir, Plaintiffs’ No. 1 and No. 2
and No. 3.

Judge Waddy: Now, there are other documents that you
are now offering in evidence besides these three?

Mr. Stoner: Yes. The other documents will be Exhibits
A through, I believe it is, G, that are attached to the Com-
plaint. This Exhibit 3 is Exhibit H to the Complaint.

Judge Robinson: You simply want the numbers to follow
consecutively with reference to all exhibits attached to the
Complaint, except what now appears as Exhibit No. 2, I
take it, is the small map?

Mr. Stoner: No. 3.

[53] Judge Waddy: Let Mr. Stoner find in the Complaint
those that he wants marked.

Mr. Stoner: For the record, Exhibit 1 will be the popu-
lation map.

Judge Robinson: The large map.

Mr. Stoner: The large population may showing the dis-
tribution of population in the City of New Orleans between
black and white.

Exhibit 2 will be the voter registration map which shows
the distribution of registered voters geographically in the
City.

Judge Robinson: That’s the second largest map.

Mr. Stoner: The second largest map.

Judge Robinson: Very well.

Mr. Stoner: And Exhibit 3 will be the present plan of
redistricting, wh:ch is a map, and which had been originally
attached as Exhibit H to the Complaint.

Judge Robinson: Very well. I am all straight now.

Mr. Stoner: Exhibit 4 will be Exhibit A to the Complaint.

Judge Robinson: That’s the Charter?

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Mr. Stoner: The excerpt from the Charter of the City of
New Orleans. Exhibit 5 will be Exhibit B attached to the
Complaint.

Judge Robinson: These are the excerpts from the 1912
[54] Louisiana Act, as I recall?

Mr. Stoner: From the 1912 Act, yes, Your Honor.

Judge Robinson: All right.

Mr. Stoner: Exhibit 6 will be the Exhibit C to the orig-
inal Complaint, which is a map of the first plan of redistrict-
ing as adopted by the City Council. Exhibit 7 is Exhibit
A to the original Complaint.

Judge Robinson: Exhibit A or D?

Mr. Stoner: I’m sorry, Exhibit D, and is a Mayor-Coun-
cil Series Ordinance No. 7496.

Judge Waddy: That is the plan that you are now espous-
ing: is it not?

Mr. Stoner: No, no, it is not. That was the first plan.

Judge Robinson: The first plan?

Mr. Stoner: That was the first plan.

Judge Robinson: Does that have written on it, Mr.
Stoner, ‘‘Calendar No. 5194’’?

Mr. Stoner: It does.

Judge Robinson: Very well.

Mr. Stoner: Yes, it does. Exhibit 8, Plaintiffs’ Exhibit 8
would be Exhibit E to the original Complaint and is the
Department of Justice’s letter dated January 15, 1973, with
respect to the first plan, addressed to Mr. Ernest L. Sala-
tich.

Exhibit 9 would be exhibit F to the original Complaint
[55] and is an ordinance, Mayor-Council Series Ordinance
No. 5154, and is the present plan, the second plan, which is
before the Court.

Exhibit 10 would be Exhibit G to the original Complaint
and is*the Department Justice’ s letter dated July 9,
1973, with Tespect to the second plan and is addressed to
Mr. Ernest L. Salatich.

A letter from J. Stanley Potting. r, Assistant Attorney
General, Exhibit H to the Complaint—to cover all of the

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exhibits that were attached to the Complaint—has pre-
viously been identified as Exhibit 3, and that is the map
which shows the Council Districts as proposed in the plan
which is before the Court.

Judge Robinson: Very well. As stated earlier, they will
all be received.

Mr. Stoner: Thank you, Your Honor.

(Plaintiffs’ Exhibits 1 through 10 were received in evi-
dence. )

Direct Examination
By Mr. Stoner:

Q. Mr. Beer, would you please state your full name and
address. A. My name is Peter H. Beer, and my address
is 5855 Bel Air Drive, New Orleans, Louisiana.

Q. Mr. Beer, what is your occupation? [56] A. I am
an attorney.

Q. What is your position with respect to this lawsuit?
A. I am one of the plaintiffs in the litigation.

Q. Are you a member of the present Council of the
City of New Orleans? A. Iam. —

Q. How long have you been a member of that Council?
A. We took offies: in May of 1970.

Q. You are finishing your first term as a councilman?
A. That term will end in April of 1974.

Q. Which district in the City of New Orleans do you
presently represent? A. District A. —

Judge Waddy: District

The Witness: A, Your Honor.

By Mr. Stoner:

Q. Mr. Beer, are you familiar with the Charter of the
City of New Orleans, particularly the provision which re-
quires the council to redistrict itself following each decen-
nial census? <A. Yes.

Q. Could you tell me what action the town took follow-
ing the 1970 decennial census? A. Yes, sir. The actual

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figures with respect to the 1970 census were not made avail-
able to us by the Governmental agency [57] which was in
charge of the obtaining of the census figures until some-
time in the summer, late summer of 1971. At that time, at
the direction of the President of the Council, the Council
Research Staff immediately transposed those raw figures,
Your Honor, from the block by block census which was the
way that this raw census figures came, into precincts and
wards and subsequently districts of the City, because the
raw census, bloc! hy block for the City as a whole, was of
no use to us in redistricting the City. We had to have the
raw census figures translated into district figures in order
to redistric’ in accordance with the Charter which provided
that we must redistrict by population of the districts.

So that the Council Research Staff was directed by the
President and the Council to reduce those raw figures
immediately to precinct, ward and subsequently district
lines in order that we might see, may it please the Court,
whether we were over or under in the districts as it had
to do with the population of the City as a whole. In other
words, the census developed that the City had a total pop-
ulation of slightly under 600,000 people. So that it then,
by mathematical computation, in accordance with the
Charter, it became necessary for us to redistrict on the
basis of approximately 118,000 people in each district, and
there was no way to determine whether we were over or
under in any particular district until we applied—until
the Council Research Staff did the math that had to be
[58] done to determine whether, for example, District A
needed to be increased or reduced, B, C and D and EF like-
wise.

Those figures, Mr. Stoner, were transposed by the Coun-
cil Research Staff so that sometime by the end of 1971 we
did have available from the efforts of the Council Research
Staff that information not only in the raw form turned
over to us by the census people but district by district, so
that we were able at the very end of 1971 to determine that
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of the districts or that there was disparity in the number
of people in the districts, very much out of line with the
approximate 118,000 that we needed in each district in
accordance with the mandate of the Charter.

Q. Now, when that information became available to the
Council, what action did the Council take? A. Well, the
Council, first of all, determined for its own information
which districts were over and which districts were under,
which was pretty much a simple mathematical computa-
tion, because we knew that the mean was 118,000. It de-
termined, reading, if the Court please, from right to—I
maen from left—-from right to left, it was determined that
District E represented by Councilman Ciaccio, in the pres-
ent—not in the plan that you are pointing at, Jim, but in
the existing plan, District E, Councilman Ciaccio’s district,
was way over in number. Instead of having 118,000 in it,
it had almost [59] 140,000 in the district.

Q. May I interrupt here for the benefit of the Court and
state that the present redistricting map is not here in the
courtroom or it is not displayed. The map is the proposed
plan, and I believe Mr. Beer’s testimony is concerning the
present district plan. A. That is correct.

®. Am I correct ou -.at? A. Yes.

Judge Robinson: The pre-1970 plan?

The Witness: Yes, Your Honor; the one that we were
elected under.

Judge Robinson: Do we have such a plan? Will it be
coming into evidence?

Mr. Stoner: We do have such a plan, if it could be
helpful.

Judge Robinson: No, you can continue with your pre-
ferred order of presentation. It is quite all right.

The Witness: If Your Honor please, District E was
over by a fairly substantial number from the mean that we
knew we were guided by under the provisions of the
Charter. District D, represented by Councilman Lambert,
was slightly under; perhaps 3,000 under the 118,000 mean.

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District C, represented by Councilman Dupuy, was con-
siderably under the mean. I think almost in five figures.
[60] I think it was down around 97 or 98 thousand.

District B, represented by Councilman Sapir, was also
considerably under the mean. District A, which I repre-
sented, was about like Councilman Ciaccio’s. It was way
over, and the reasons for that were, as counsel had pre-
viously pointed out to the Court, the growth areas in New
Orleans have been, to a substantial extent, the 9th Ward,
which is Councilman Ciaccio’s district, and Algiers, which
is part of District A in the present circumstances, So, that
perhaps accounted for the disparity.

So, it was apparent to the Council that the districts were
clearly in need of redefinition in terms of lines because
they were very much in disparity with the provisions of
the Charter, which said every 10 years the Council must
redistrict so as to try to keep the numbers even in each
district.

By Mr. Stoner:

Q. Now, when that became apparent, did there come a
time when a plan of redistricting was presented to the
Council and adopted by the Council? A. Yes, there was
a plan as counsel pointed out in opening arguments.

May it please the Court, there is this problem, because
of the fact that the 15th Ward of the City is across the
river—that’s where Mr. Stoner refers to as Algiers. It
was obvious that some rather substantial change had to
be made [61] in the district lines to take into account
this disparity in population. So that the first plan was a
plan that had as its cornerstone the redistricting by using
Algiers to make up the numbers, so to speak, and Algiers
was divided into three portions and assigned to certain
districts in order to bring the numbers up, and that in
effect resulted in not having to make very many other
changes.

There was a great reaction against that plan in Algiers
where the people were unhappy about being, as they called

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it, split up. When that plan was voted on in the Council, it
was passed six to one. I voted against it by reason of the
fact that I felt as a representative of that area that the
people had expressed themselves and that I was mandated
to vote against it.

It passed six to one but was subsequently, I think about
nine months later, disallowed by an opinion from the De-
partment of Justice.

Q. That is the plan that we have referred to as Plan 1
and is the plan that was not approved by the Department
of Justice in January of 1973; is that correct? A. That’s
correct, sir.

Q. After the adoption of that plan, were there any pro-

posals to change the makeup of the Charter of the City of
New Orleans so as to change the number of councilmanic
districts? A. Yes, sir.
[62] Judge Waddy: Is that an issue in question? I am
asking counsel for the Government. The question is asked
of the witness now as to the proposal to change the makeup
of the council. Is that disputed? Is that questioned?

Mr. Shurtliff: No.

Judge Waddy: I think as a question of time, on matters
that are not disputed, we can proceed without using that
time.

Mr. Stoner: May we stipulate that there was an ordi-
nance adopted by the City Council to increase the size of
the City Council to 11, consisting of nine elected council-
manic districts and two at large.

May we stipulate to that?

Mr. Shurtliff: We may, and the referendum election was
defeated by a vote of the people.

Judge Robinson: Do you accept that amendment to the
stipulation?

Mr. Halpin: With the understanding that that stipula-
tion does not imply that the City Councilmen in fact sup-
ported the enlargement of the City Council and made any
effort to attempt ot have the electorate of the City of New

Orleans

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Judge Waddy: The stipulation is only to the facts. The
inferences to be drawn from the facts may be argued at
the appropriate time.

Mr. Halpin: That’s the only indication.

[63] Mr. Stoner: May we at the same time stipulate that
following the vote by the electorate and the failure of the
ordinance to be approved by the electorate, another plan
to increase the size of the City Council was adopted by the
City Council, namely, a plan to increase the Council to nine,
consisting of seven councilmanic districts and two at large,
and that that matter was presented to the electorate.

Judge Robinson: May I make a suggestion, if you don’t
mind. We would be taking the recess for lunch in a very
few minutes. Why not get together with counsel for the
Government, that is, for the defendant, and for the inter-
venors, and see how much you gentlemen can stipulate in
terms of paragraphs of your complaint. That is the only
document, I think, that would serve as a substantial point
of reference, because we simply haven’t had time to get
responsive pleadings from other parties.

Do you think you gentlemen might do that? And would
you give me an estimate as to how much additional time
we would need to give you, that is, additional to the normal
hour and 15 minutes for lunch.

Mr. Stoner: Your Honor, I think we should be able to
stipulate those facts in a matter of minutes.

Judge Waddy: I think if you could stipulate, we could
expedite this matter without losing the effect in any
manner.

Mr. Stoner: Yes.

[64] Judge Robinson: Very well. We will take the lunch-
eon recess at this point until 1:45. We are hopeful that
when we resume at 1:45, you will have such a stipulation.
If you need a few minutes more, notify the marshal.

Mr. Stoner: Thank you.

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Judge Robinson: And we will indulge you.
At this point the Court will stand in recess until 1:45.

(Whereupon, at 12:35 o’clock p. m., proceedings in the
above-entitled matter were recessed to reconvene at 1:45
o’clock p. m. this same date.)

[65] AFTERNOON SESSION

(Whereupon, at 1:55 o’clock p. m., proceedings in the
above-entitled matter were resumed at the conclusion of
the luncheon recess. )

Judge Robinson: Mr. Stoner, you may resume.

Mr. Stoner: Thank you, Your Honor. During the recess
we have attempted to arrive at stipulations based on the
allegations as contained in the Complaint.

I can report that it is stipulated between the parties that
the matters alleged in Paragraphs 1 through 8 will be
stipulated to.

Judge Robinson: So stipulated, gentlemen.

Mr. Stoner: With respect to Paragraph 9 and the Com-
plaint, the Government will stipulate to the allegation con-
tained in that count. The intervenors would stipulate to
the facts in there except the second sentence. That they
would deny.

Judge Robinson: Very well. Did you say the second
sentence?

Mr. Stoner: The second sentence in Paragraph 9 will be
denied by the intervenors but otherwise stipulated by the
parties.

Judge Robinson: Very well.

Mr. Stoner: With respect to Paragraph 10 of the Com-
plaint, the parties will stipulate to everything except the
[66] date. The Government will not stipulate to the date
of May 4, 1972.

Judge Waddy: Will they stipulate as to any date?

Mr. Stoner: Mr. Shurtliff, will you stipulate as to any
date?

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Mr. Shurtliff: We would stipulate, Your Honor, that
it was submitted in the fall of 1972 but

Judge Waddy: Not May 4th?

Mr. Shurtliff: It was not May 4th. ie

Mr. Stoner: I believe it is the Government’s position
that the submission of May 4, 1972, was not a complete

submission. .
Judge Corcoran: Is it important, so long as it was denied

anyway?

Judge Waddy: But, nevertheless, this is a fair sub-
mission; is it not?

Mr. Stoner: Yes.

Judge Waddy: This is a fair submission, but it was stip-
ulated that it was submitted.

Mr. Stoner: Yes.

Judge Waddy: All right.

Mr. Stoner: With respect to Paragraph 11 of the Com-
plaint, the matters contained therein will be stipulated by
the parties. The matters in Paragraph 12 of the Complaint
will not be stipulated. The matters contained in Para-
graphs 13, [67] 14, 15 and 16, all of which appear on Page
4 of the Complaint, will be stipulated.

Judge Corcoran: Including the figures?

Mr. Stoner: Yes, including the data contained in Para-
graph 16 of the Complaint. Paragraph 17 of the Complaint
will not be stipulated. I believe the parties can agree that
hearings were held.

Paragraph 18 of the Complaint will be stipulated. The
matters in Paragraph 19 cannot be stipulated.

With respect to that, I believe the parties can stipulate
that the ordinance was passed by the Council and that it
was disapproved by the Assistant Attorney General.

Judge Robinson: Are counsel agreeable to so much by
way of stipulation?

Mr. Shurtliff: We are.

Mr. Halpin: Yes.

Judge Robinson: Very well.

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Mr. Stoner: Paragraph 20 cannot be stipulated. I believe
the parties can stipulate with respect to the matters in
Paragraph 20 that the matter was submitted to the elee-
torate and that the vote was to retain the seven-man
council or to replace it with an eleven-man council.

Judge Robinson: Would you repeat that again, Mr.
Stoner?

Mr. Stoner: I believe the parties can stipulate that [68]
the matter was submitted to the electorate, giving the
electorate the choice of either keeping the present seven-
man council or replacing it with an eleven-man council.

Judge Robinson: Very well. Is that agreed to, gentle-
ment?

Mr. Shurtliff: May it please the Court, I don’t have any
serious reservation about it, but I would not want the
stipulation because it wasn’t framed to the people in terms
of a choice. The issue was to increase the size of the City
Council from nine to a nine/two; nine districts, two at
large. That was the question. There was no question on
the ballot as to retaining the present system. That was the
result of the vote of the people, however.

Judge Robinson: You will stipulate, however, that it was
submitted to the electorate, period?

Mr. Shurtliff: Yes, sir.

Judge Robinson: Is that agreeable, Mr. Halpin?

Mr. Halpin: Yes.

Mr. Stoner: I believe the parties will also stipulate that
the proposition did not pass.

Judge Robinson: Is that agreeable?

Mr. Shurtliff: Yes.

Mr. Halpin: Yes.

Judge Robinson: All right.

Mr. Stoner: With respect to the items in Paragraph 21
[69] of the Complaint, the parties cannot stipulate, and
I believe that the parties cannot stipulate to the balance
of the Complaint, although I would submit that the parties
can stipulate as to the passing of the ordinance to increase
the Council to nine men, a nine-man council, and that that

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matter was presented to the electorate and that it was
defeated.

Mr. Shurtliff?

Mr. Shurtliff: We would stipulate to that.

Mr. Halpin: Yes.

Judge Robinson: Very well. Does that conclude the
stipulations, Mr. Stoner?

Mr. Stoner: That would conclude the stipulations as to
the Complaint.

Judge Robinson: Very well. Thank you very much. I
should think that this should help a great deal.

You may resume your examination of Mr. Beer.

Mr. Stoner: Thank you. There is one other stipulation
that the parties have agreed to; that is, the map that has
been superimposed on the larze map as being a map rep-
resenting the present districts as presently constituted,
that is, as constituted since 1961 to the present time.

Judge Robinson: All right, No. 11.

Judge Waddy: Is that Plaintiffs’ No. 11. I would ask
that it be admitted into evidence as Plaintiffs’ Exhibit No.

11.
[70] Judge Robinson: By stipulation it will be admitted.

(Plaintiffs’ Exhibit No. 11 was admitted in evidence.)

Mr. Stoner: Now, resuming the questioning of Mr. Beer,

if 1 may——

Judge Waddy: I think it would not be necessary under
the circumstances to question Mr. Beer concerning any of
the matters that have been stipulated.

Mr. Stoner: Yes. Thank you, Your Honor.

Direct Examination (Continued)
By Mr. Stoner:

Q. Mr. Beer, I understand from your previous testi-
mony that you at the present time represent District A.

A. Yes.

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Q. Could you describe what sections of the City in terms
of sections of the City that present district represents?
A. It represents the section of the City that is generally
referred to as the Carrolltown Section, the University
section, the Uptown section, and then it crosses over and
down river and represents the entire area which is known
as Algiers, which is in fact the 15th Ward of the City.
It comprises the 17th Ward, which comes in at that rather
thin line, Your Honor, which is the line between the Jeffer-
son Parish boundary and a wide thoroughfare that cuts
through town, and inside of that sort of thin line is what
is called the 17th Ward. It opens up [71] a little bit at the
bottom and is still the 17th Ward.

The 16th Ward is just under it. The 14th Ward is in
that sweep over to where the line is drawn, and then it
skips over the river and goes to Algiers. That’s the 15th
Ward. So that District A is comprised of wards of the
City in their entirety, and they are the 14th Ward, the
15th Ward, the 16th Ward and the 17th Ward.

Q. Now, Mr. Beer, would it be fair to state that the
Algiers section is geographically some distance from the
other part of your district? A. Yes.

Q. And have you found in representing that district that
that creates problems? A. Well it has created a problem
which you and the Court alluded to in terms of the fact
that there is but one bridge and it is up—it is, I should
say, down river in the sense that it is just about at the
line between District B and District C. Yes, sir, right in
there. And there is a pressure on the part of the people
living there. That bridge is satisfactory in the sense that
it is in Algiers and serves Algiers into the downtown area.

But there is a tremendous pressure from the population
that is on the other side of the river where you are pointing
to now to get across, and there has been a tremendous
pressure to put that other crossing in District A uptown.
People uptown [72] in District A are violently opposed
to the bridge because they contend it will turn their area
into a thoroughfare, whereas the people in Algiers are

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very much in favor of it because they contend that it will
take the pressure off of the only bridge that exists, which
is fine for them, but is jammed about two and a half times
its constructed capacity because of the great pressures from
that whole sweep there also using it to come into the central
business district.

Q. Now, has this caused any problems for you as a
councilman in fairly representing the respecitve interests
of your council district? A. Well, it was created a sort
of schizophrenia in the sense that there is a tremendous
pressure from the constituency of about 55 or 56 thousand
people in the Algiers section for a bridge to come into
uptown and a very violent reaction on the part of that
whole uptown section, which is probably another 50 thou-
sand people, against any bridge coming into that area.
So, of course, it has been entirely impossible to be a parti-
san in behalf of both interests.

Q. Now, could you identify on this map where the canal
ferry is located? A. Yes, sir. It also runs from District
C at Canal Street right across to District A, Algiers. In
other words, the connecting link of the Canal Street Ferry
is right in the middie of what is now C and into the middle
of what is now A across [73] the river.

Q. Is there any other public transportation means of
getting from the main part of the city to Algiers? A. No,
sir. That Canal Street Ferry and the bridge are the two
publie or privately-owned sources of access.

Q. Now, have there been any problems with respect to
traffic on the ferry across the river? A. Yes, sir. Well,
it’s been entirely inadequate in the sense that it doesn’t
come anywhere near taking the pressure off of the need
for that access, and it’s also been compounded and com-
plicated by the fact that railroad tracks run along the
edge of the river there and very often block that ferry
access way, which is then inoperative sometimes for rather
long periods of time, in terms of motorists trying to get
on the ferry before it leaves to make its roundtrip across
the river.

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Q. How long does it take—let me ask, first, how wide is
the river at this A. It is a mile and one-eighth.

Q. A mile and one-eighth? A. Yes, sir.

Q. How long does it take to cross the river on the ferry
under normal traffic conditions? A. Once aboard, I would
say it takes somewhere between 10 and 15 minutes, But,
sometimes, Jim, the line gets pretty long and it doesn’t
come anywhere near taking all the people who [74] are in
that line.

Q. What I wnderstand from your testimony is that the
pressure for transportation across the river to Algiers is
a very great problem for the populace of New Orleans at
the present time? A. It’s probably the most underlying
political problem outside of the usual—it’s a singular most
underlying problem, I would say, in terms of housekeeping.

Q. Does the City Council have authority to authorize the
building of a bridge or to inerease ferry service? A. No,
sir. This is all run through the office of the State Depart-
ment of Highways.

Q. So, it is your testimony that whether or not a bridge,
another bridge should be constructed or an additional ferry
should be put on or traffic routes is beyond the power of
the City Council of New Orleans to deal with? A. Yes.
The City Council, in fact, has even ordinanced certain
traffic regulatory ordinances on the bridge hoping to do
something to alleviate the crush of traffic in terms of truck
use at certain authorized times and vehicular use at cer-
tain authorized times and minimum speeds, contending that
they could at least ordinance traffic regulations because the
bridge actually began and ended in Orleans Parish. But
the bridge authority, which is under the State, has effec-
tively just disregarded our ordinances. The ordinances
which we passed in [75] connection with traffic regulations
on the bridge have not been enforced by the bridge police
who are responsible to their board, which is a state created
agency.

Q. Now, describe the type of population that lives in
the Algiers section. I mean by that, is it a stable commun-

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ity, a growing community, or what is the status of the
Algiers area of the City? A. Well, Algiers is essentially
a bedroom, but I would have to say that it really is far
more a complex than that. But in my own mind, I divide
Algiers into Old Algiers and New Algiers, and the de-
marcation is considerable,

New Algiers is pretty much an expanding area of—
(Mr. Stoner indicating on map)—yes, sir, in the back, is
more what you would think of as suburbia with some
rather substantial sprinklings of apartment buildings, a
fairly transient amount of population. It is a fairly local
population in the suburbia type sections.

Then Old Algiers is a pretty mixed black and white

area of people who, in many instances, have lived in
Algiers a long time. Algiers grew up at the river and only,
Your Honors, when the bridge was built, when the only
access was the ferry boat, Algiers pretty much clustered
around the river. When the bridge was built, it generated
the expansion into the back part of that 15th Ward in
terms of, I would say, middle to fairly expensive homes,
and also a great number of apartments.
[76] Q. Now, when was the bridge built, Mr. Beer? Do
you know approximately? <A. It was in the early ’50’s. I
can’t exactly state. It was sometime in the early ’590’s that
it was completed.

Q. Is there anything in common here between the river
area of Algiers and the river area directly across the river
from Algiers? A. Well, I would say that, of course, right
on the river, the use is pretty much identical in terms of
the fact that there is a lot of river activity. As you go
away from the river in both directions, you get into resi-
dential areas.

Q. But the activity along the river at both places is
similar; is it? A. Yes,

Q. Is it barge traffic and shipping? A. Barge and ship
traffic. For example, we have wharves on both sides of the
river at that point, although the main wharfage is on the
side—yes, sir, on that side.

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Q. You mean this (indicating), the old section, the cen-
ter section, where it says Port Algiers? A. Yes.

Q. But there is wharfage in Algiers; is there? A. Yes,
and a lot of barge activity on the river.

Q. Now, is there any similarity between the river front-
age of your two districts? I am speaking of Algiers and
the [77] present district that you represent. A. Not very
much. Once you get up to what we call uptown, the wharf
system has just about ended. (Mr. Stoner indicating on
map.) Yes, sir. In other words, National Avenue, which
would be about the second big street in, right about there,
is the last of the wharves. There is a wharf there. Then
the frontage from there on up to the Parish line is pretty
much frontage in a park area, the Audibon Park Area.

. Now, with respect to District B, is that pretty much
what is on here, the river frontage, that wharf area?
A. Yes, sir, entirely. That’s the heart of the wharf area.

Q. Do I understand that all of the river frontage of
present District C is wharfage? A. Yes, I would say all
the way up to and including parts of District E on the
river are what you think of traditionally as wharf area.

Q. Now, this present District A, has the population
grown in the last 10 years, I mean, since ’61 when the
last redistricting occurred? A. Yes, it has grown pri-
marily because of the development in Algiers that I have
previously referred to. I would say that it hasn’t grown
in any substantial extent on the other side except perhaps
in that thin line area going towards the lake, there has
been, I’d say, some additional home building, [78] but
nothing like the massive construction in Algiers.

Q. Now, you testified this morning before the luncheon
break that there have been statistics as to the 1970 census,
the population of the districts as they then existed. Now,
on those statistics, was Section A, the population of Sec-
tion A, present Section A, more than 118,000? A. Yes,
sir, it was almost 140,000.

Q. One hundred forty thousand? A. It was about, let’s
say, 137,000 or 138,000.

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Q. Now, do you draw from that then that it would be
necessary to decrease the size of present District A in the
1970 redistricting plan? A. The Charter required it. There
was no room to doubt that the provisions of the Charter in
reference to the decennial census required us to comply in
numbers to it. So that the math was easy. I needed to, in
effect, lose 20,000 people.

Q. Now, turning our attention to Exhibit 3, which is the
present plan that is before the Court, is there any simi-
larity between the population of Algiers—and I call the
Court’s attention to the fact that the proposed District
C includes all of Algiers as well as the area directly across
the river from Algiers and extends on up to the lake and
through the City park. A. Yes, sir.

Q. Now, is there any similarity between the population
of those two districts other than along the river, which I
think [79] you have previously fully explored? A. Yes,
there is a definite similarity in the sense that there is back
in that back part of C and in the bottom part of C and in
Algiers and almost—I’d say that a lot of the areas there
would be almost interchangeable in the sense of looking
the same and providing about the same type of single fam-
ily housing.

Q. Could they be described as relatively recent growth
areas of the City? A. Yes. The lakefront area, what you
are pointing at now, of C is a little older growth area than
the bottom part of proposed C, but essentially the two
are very similar.

Q. So that proposed District C has similarities along
the river in Algiers, and likewise in the extremities; both
have similarities in the type of housing and the type of
people. Is that a fair statement? A. That is a fair state-
ment.

Q. Now, Mr. Beer, did there come a time when the City
Council took under advisement a plan of redistricting after
the first plan was disapproved by the Attorney General
and after the two referendums were defeated? A. That’s
correct.

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Q. Could you describe to us when that was, approxi-
mately, and, furthermore, what factors did you as a coun-
cilman consider in determining the redistricting or con-
sidering the [80] redistricting of the City? A. Well, ac-
tually, to be completely specific, there had really been four
different efforts where the council went to the people with
proposals to increase the size of the council. For various
reasons, all but two of those ordinances ended before any
action was actually taken by the people. The matter could
not even go to the people for decision without ordinances
enacting that as a proposal for the people to vote on under
the terms and provisions of the Charter. But, without go-
ing into all that detail, because I think it is

Q. Well, do I understand the purport of that testimony
to be that the only way an election could be held would
be for the council first to come up with a proposal and
authorize the election? A. Exactly. In other words, the
council had to take affirmative action by ordinance in order
to even submit to the people the question of ‘‘Do you de-
sire to increase the size of the council?’’ The council is
not able on its own to do that. It is a Charter provision
and it must go to the people for a vote. It is just like a
corporate charter cannot be changed by the Board of
Directors. The council could only authorize its as a legiti-
mate issue to be decided by the people, and on its own
motion it did that on four separate occasions and passed
four separate ordinances with respect to either nine or
11-member plans.

[81] Finally, the people having spoken on the two that
actually got to the people, not through any fault of the
council but by some Court action by some of the people
who are interested in this litigation, apparently, it never-
theless evolved that in neither of the instances where the
ordinances went to the people did the people authorize the

increase.

Accordingly, by late ’72, or early ’73, it was apparent
to the Council that there was no way to redistrict in any-
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proposal, and the other proposals having already been
voted down by the people. So that there was no longer any
way that the Charter could be changed. The time had
come for us to resolve the issue on the basis of two coun-
cilmen at large and five district councilmen, the people
having spoken on two occasions, the Court on one other
one, and the Mayor on one other one, to obviate the ability
of the people to have any further opportunity to increase
the size of the council.

Q. All right. Now, at that posture, what did the council
do? A. The Council restricted—it held public hearings
and consulted with the Council Research Director and his
the ordinance which subsequently led to a vote of the
staff and subsequently Councilman Moreau introduced the
ordinance which subsequently led to a vote of the Council
to redistrict in accordance with

Q. Exhibit C? [82] A. Excuse me. —with the plan
that is

(). Exhibit 3? A. Yes, sir.

Q. Now, what factors did you as a member of the Coun-
cil take into consideration in voting for this plan? A.
Well, I took into consideration the mandate, which we ob-
viously had from the Charter to do it, and I would say
primarily the guidelines set out in the Voting Rights Act
of 1965 and in

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