# WILLIAM JEFFREY BURNETT V. CONSECO LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY

> District Court, S.D. Indiana · March 26, 2025

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## Case

- **Court:** District Court, S.D. Indiana
- **Decided:** March 26, 2025
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF INDIANA
INDIANAPOLIS DIVISION

WILLIAM JEFFREY BURNETT, )
JOE H CAMP, )
)
Plaintiffs, )
)
v. ) No. 1:18-cv-00200-JPH-KMB
)
CNO FINANCIAL GROUP, INC., )
CNO SERVICES LLC, )
)
Defendants. )

SEALED ORDER ON MOTIONS TO EXCLUDE EXPERT TESTIMONY
Plaintiffs William Burnett and Joe Camp have filed a motion to exclude
portions of expert testimony from Timothy Pfeifer and Mary Jo Hudson. Dkt.
475. CNO Financial Group and CNO Services ("CNO Defendants") have filed
motions to exclude portions of expert testimony from Mark Browne and Robert
Muriel. Dkt. 467; dkt. 468. For the reasons below, Plaintiffs' motion to
exclude is GRANTED, dkt. [475]; and the CNO Defendants' motions to exclude
are GRANTED in part and DENIED in part as to Mark Browne, dkt. [467], and
GRANTED as to Robert Muriel, dkt. [468].
I.
Facts and Background
William Burnett and Joe Camp are former holders of certain "LifeTrend"
life insurance policies. See dkt. 449-1; dkt. 449-2. They brought this case
alleging that Conseco Life Insurance Company1 breached their Policies by

1 The Court has approved a class action settlement and entered final judgment as to
Conseco Life Insurance Company. Dkt. 237; dkt. 251.
announcing and implementing changes in the calculation of Policy premiums
and expense charges, which caused thousands of policyholders to surrender
their Policies. Dkt. 108-1. Plaintiffs also allege that the CNO Defendants are

liable under an alter ego theory. Id. at 76.
This case is set for bifurcated trials: a jury trial on liability for breach of
contract to begin June 16, 2025, and a bench trial on alter ego liability to begin
August 25, 2025. Dkt. 514. The CNO Defendants plan to call as witnesses
Timothy Pfeifer as an expert in life-insurance policy development and Mary Jo
Hudson as an expert in insurance regulation. Plaintiffs plan to call Mark
Browne as an expert in insurance, risk management, and actuarial science,
and Robert Muriel as an expert in accounting and corporate governance.

Plaintiffs have filed a motion to exclude portions of expert testimony from Mr.
Pfeifer and Ms. Hudson. Dkt. 475. The CNO Defendants have filed motions to
exclude portions of expert testimony from Dr. Browne and Mr. Muriel. Dkt.
467; dkt. 468.
II.
Applicable Law
To testify as an expert, a witness must be qualified "by knowledge, skill,
experience, training, or education." Fed. R. Evid. 702; Hall v. Flannery, 840
F.3d 922, 926 (7th Cir. 2016). General qualifications are not enough; a
foundation for answering specific questions is required. Hall, 840 F.3d at 926.
A witness qualified with respect to the specific question being asked may give
opinion testimony "if the proponent demonstrates to the court that it is more
likely than not that":
a) The expert's scientific, technical, or other specialized
knowledge will help the trier of fact to understand
the evidence or to determine a fact in issue;
b) The testimony is based on sufficient facts or data;
c) The testimony is the product of reliable principles
and methods; and
d) The expert's opinion reflects a reliable application of
the principles and methods to the facts of the case.

Fed. R. Evid. 702; Hall, 840 F.3d at 926. In short, proponents of expert
evidence must "demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that their
[experts'] opinions are reliable." Fed. R. Evid. 702 comm. note to 2023 am.
These requirements are evaluated under the two-step Daubert
framework. Robinson v. Davol Inc., 913 F.3d 690, 695 (7th Cir. 2019) (citing
Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharm., Inc., 509 U.S. 579, 593–94 (1993)). For the first
step, the proponent must "establish that the proposed witness would testify to
valid scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge." Id. If step one is
satisfied, the proponent "must then show that the expert testimony will assist
the trier of fact." Id. For this step, the Court "evaluates whether the proposed .
. . testimony fits the issue to which the expert is testifying." Id.
III.
Analysis
A. Timothy Pfeifer and Mary Jo Hudson
The CNO Defendants plan to call Mr. Pfeifer as an expert in life-
insurance policy development, see dkt. 477-1 at 5 (Pfeifer report), and Ms.
Hudson as an expert in insurance regulation, see dkt. 477-3 at 4–5 (Hudson
report). Plaintiffs do not challenge either witness's qualifications. See dkt.
479. Instead, they argue that Mr. Pfeifer and Ms. Hudson should be prohibited
from opining on legal conclusions about the meaning and legal effects of Policy
terms. Id. at 1–7. The CNO Defendants respond that Mr. Pfeifer's and Ms.
Hudson's opinions are not legal conclusions but "opinions regarding the

regulatory and actuarial bases for the [Policies] and the administrative changes
at issue in this litigation." Dkt. 490 at 2.
"It is the role of the judge, not an expert witness, to instruct the jury on
the applicable principles of law, and it is the role of the jury to apply those
principles of law to the facts in evidence." Jiminez v. City of Chicago, 732 F.3d
710, 721 (7th Cir. 2013). "As a general rule, accordingly, an expert may not
offer legal opinions." Id. That includes opinions "about the meaning of . . .
contracts" and their legal implications and effects. RLJCS Enters., Inc. v. Prof'l

Benefit Tr. Multiple Emp'r Welfare Benefit Plan & Tr., 487 F.3d 494, 498 (7th
Cir. 2007).
Plaintiffs identify fourteen opinions as examples from Mr. Pfeifer and Ms.
Hudson that improperly opine about the Policies' meaning and the
permissibility of Conseco Life Insurance Company's actions under the Policies.
Dkt. 479 at 4–7. For example:
• In my actuarial reading of the policies, there is no provision in
the contracts or actuarial memoranda which indicates or
suggests that once the [Optional Premium Payment] Provision is
exercised, that the contract is paid-up or that a lower premium
can be permanently paid.

• The actions taken by [Conseco Life] were consistent with actions
permitted under the contract, in my opinion as an experienced
actuary.
• The contract language under the LifeTrend contracts allowed
[Conseco Life] substantial flexibility to manage its [cost-of-
insurance] deductions.

• In my opinion, Plaintiffs' theory grossly mischaracterizes the
terms of the Policies by suggesting that election of OPP status
entitled them to permanently stop paying premiums under their
Policies.

Id. (quoting Pfeifer's and Hudson's reports). Whenever these opinions offer
legal conclusions about what the Policies mean and their legal effects on
Conseco Life and the Policyholders, they are inadmissible. See RLJCS Enters.,
Inc., 487 F.3d at 498; Benefit Res. Grp., Inc. v. Westfield Ins. Co., No. 2:11-cv-
64, 2013 WL 12199941 at *3 (N.D. Ind. Jan. 7, 2013) ("An expert is not
permitted to provide expert testimony about the meaning of contracts, legal
implications of conduct, or the scope of the insurer's duty under an insurance
policy."); Jakobovits v. PHL Variable Ins. Co., 645 F. Supp. 3d 95, 117–18
(E.D.N.Y. 2022) (excluding similar opinions from Mr. Pfeifer as "improper legal
conclusion[s]").
Indeed, the CNO Defendants do not directly address these opinions
about the specific meaning of policy terms and what they required of Conseco
Life. See dkt. 490 at 25–27. They instead contend that Mr. Pfeifer can testify
about industry terms of art and actuarial work on the LifeTrend Policies and
similar policies. Id. And that Ms. Hudson can testify about industry terms of
art and "how insurance regulations and insurance industry custom and
practice inform the terms of the LifeTrend 3 and 4 policies and the
administrative changes at issue." Id. at 17. It is true that experts can testify
about industry terms of art, professional standards, and typical practices. See
Delta Mining Corp. v. Big Rivers Elec. Corp., 18 F.3d 1398, 1402 (7th Cir. 1994);
cf. Lapsley v. Xtek, Inc., 689 F.3d 802, 817 (7th Cir. 2012) ("Expert testimony

by engineers concerning what an ordinary engineer would understand and do
is common-place in patent law."). For example, in Jakobovits, the court
explained that Mr. Pfeifer's opinions about "industry standards" on insurance
rates and regulations were not inadmissible as legal conclusions. 645 F. Supp.
3d. at 117. But industry practice and terms of art are not what Plaintiffs seek
to exclude here—instead, they argue that Mr. Pfeifer and Ms. Hudson may not
opine on legal conclusions about these Policies and what they allow. See dkt.
496 at 1. As explained above, those legal conclusions are inadmissible.

Mr. Pfeifer and Ms. Hudson therefore may not opine about their
interpretations of language in the specific Policies at issue or about whether
actions would or would not violate the terms of the Policies.2 For the same
reasons, Ms. Hudson may not opine that the LifeTrend Regulatory Settlement
Agreement bars any of Plaintiffs' claims or that the existence of regulatory
frameworks should prevent those claims. See dkt. 479 at 7–9. Indeed, the
CNO Defendants agree that Ms. Hudson "has no opinion on the Court's
jurisdiction," and instead intends to opine on regulatory background, including

regulatory scrutiny related to the Policies. Dkt. 490 at 21–22.

2 This does not restrict opinions about whether certain terms are generally industry
terms of art, separate from whether these Policies used those terms in that way.
Beyond these restrictions, Mr. Pfeifer's and Ms. Hudson's testimony
about terms of art; industry practice, including the role of actuaries; regulatory
background; and the development of insurance policies may "be tested before

the jury with the familiar tools of vigorous cross-examination, presentation of
contrary evidence, and careful instruction on the burden of proof." Lapsley,
689 F.3d at 805, 809 (experts may "give a dissertation or exposition of . . .
principles relevant to the case, leaving the trier of fact to apply them to the
facts"). Plaintiffs' motion to exclude portions of Mr. Pfeifer's and Ms. Hudson's
expert testimony is therefore GRANTED to the extent of this order. Dkt. [475].
B. Mark Browne
1. Actuarial opinions

Plaintiffs plan to call Dr. Browne as an expert in insurance, risk
management, and actuarial science. See dkt. 492-1 at 1 (Browne report). He
offers opinions that (1) the Policies were heavily front-loaded, (2) Conseco Life
increased cost of insurance ("COI") rates even though mortality rates were
improving, (3) the October 2010 COI increase was designed to recover prior
losses, and (4) Conseco Life increased COI rates because of lower-than-
expected interest rates. Id. at 14–21. The CNO Defendants challenge these
opinions about "actuarial issues" because Dr. Browne is not an actuary, lacks

relevant experience, and is merely restating evidence in the record. Dkt. 473 at
24–25. Plaintiffs respond that Dr. Browne is qualified by decades of experience
as an economist working with actuarial issues. Dkt. 493 at 1–3.
While Dr. Browne is not an actuary and has not drafted life-insurance
policies, he is an applied economist who has published research in actuarial
journals. Dkt. 491-1 at 7 (Browne Dep. at 46). He has also explained that two

of his opinions are economic. First, his report opines that the Policies are
heavily front-loaded because they "anticipate[d] higher collections by Conseco
relative to death benefit payouts in the early years followed by higher payouts
relative to Conseco's collections in the later years." Dkt. 492-1 at 15. Second,
he opines that Conseco Life raised COI rates because of lower-than-expected
interest rates, which from "an economic perspective" could be "characterized as
a transfer of interest rate risk from Conseco to the policyholders." Id. at 21–22.
These two opinions involve "insurance markets and risk," including

pricing risk, which Dr. Browne studies as an economist. Dkt. 491-2 at 8
(Browne Dep. at 22). And the CNO Defendants cite no authority supporting
their view that Dr. Browne's experience as an applied economist does not
qualify him. See dkt. 473 at 24–25; dkt. 499 at 19–20 (citing cases for only the
general proposition that experts may not testify outside their realm of
expertise). While life-insurance companies hire actuaries instead of economists
to do similar work, that does not preclude a qualified economist from offering
these opinions. See Gayton v. McCoy, 593 F.3d 610, 617 (7th Cir. 2010) (What

matters is not the title or specialty, but whether the expert "has the adequate
education, skill, and training."). Indeed, these two opinions are about how the
Policies and COI increases functioned at a general economic level, placing them
within Dr. Brown's qualifications. See United States ex rel. Calderon v.
Carrington Mort. Servs., 70 F.4th 968, 974 (7th Cir. 2023) (expert lacking some
mortgage-underwriting qualifications could testify "about underwriting
practices generally").

Similarly, Dr. Browne's lack of experience drafting, designing, or pricing
life-insurance products does not preclude these opinions' admissibility. See id.
("Rule 702 does not suggest that specialized knowledge can be developed only
in certain ways . . . . [E]xperts and expertise come in many different forms.");
Anderson v. Raymond Corp., 61 F.4th 505, 509 (7th Cir. 2023). While
"nuanced, multi-factored analyses" about life-insurance policies might be
outside Dr. Browne's experience, he is qualified to offer more general opinions
about the Policies' front-loading and the relationship between COI increases

and interest rates. See Calderon, 70 F.4th at 975; Gayton, 593 F.3d at 617–18
(generalist experts may offer opinions "if [they have] the adequate education,
skill, and training to reach them"). And the opinions go beyond merely reciting
evidence in the record, because Dr. Browne draws his own economic
conclusions from the facts he considered. See dkt. 492-1 at 15–16 (explaining
the factual basis for opining that the Policies are heavily front loaded), 19–21
(explaining the factual basis for opining how interest-rate risk affected
Conseco's profitability and policyholders).

The remaining two "actuarial opinions" that the CNO Defendants
challenge are that Conseco Life increased COI rates even though mortality
rates were improving, and that the October 2010 COI increase was designed to
recover prior losses. Id. at 17–19. For these opinions, Dr. Browne merely
recites documents in the record. See id. His report therefore does not identify
any economic methodology applied to those documents or any economic basis
for his adopting those opinions, see id., and Plaintiffs offer none in their brief,

see dkt. 493 at 15–16. While Dr. Browne may form opinions based on
information provided to him, Fed. R. Evid. 703, he "may not simply summarize
the out-of-court statements of others as his testimony," United States v.
Brownlee, 744 F.3d 479, 482 (7th Cir. 2014); see Goldberg v. 401 N. Wabash
Venture LLC, 755 F.3d 456, 461 (7th Cir. 2014). Plaintiffs have not shown that
these two opinions go beyond repeating information provided to Dr. Browne, so
they have not carried their burden to show that they are admissible.
In sum, Dr. Browne may opine whether the Policies were heavily front-

loaded and whether Conseco Life increased COI rates because of lower-than-
expected interest rates. He may not opine whether Conseco Life increased
COI rates even though mortality rates were improving and whether the October
2010 COI increase was designed to recover prior losses.
2. Inflated payment opinions
After the motion to exclude Dr. Browne's testimony was briefed, the
Court set bifurcated trials: a jury trial on liability for breach of contract and a
bench trial on alter ego liability. Dkt. 514. The Court therefore ordered the

parties to file a statement identifying any expert-testimony issues "that relate
solely to alter ego liability." Id. at 5; see Kansas City S. Ry. Co. v. Sny Island
Levee Drainage Dist., 831 F.3d 892, 900 (7th Cir. 2016) (When "a trial judge
conducts a bench trial, the judge need not conduct a Daubert (or Rule 702)
analysis before presentation of the evidence, even though he must determine
admissibility at some point.").
The parties disagree whether Dr. Browne's opinions about inflated

expense and service payments from Conseco Life to the CNO Defendants are
relevant only to alter ego liability, or also to breach-of-contract liability. Dkt.
516 at 3. Plaintiffs argue that the opinions are relevant to breach—and
therefore admissible at the jury trial—because inflated payments led Conseco
Life to raise policyholders' COI charges in violation of the Policies. Id. at 5–6.
The CNO Defendants contend that whether the payments were inflated is not
relevant to breach. Id. at 8–10.
Plaintiffs allege that Conseco Life breached the Policies by increasing COI

charges "based only on reasons other than mortality" and to recoup prior
losses in violation of the Policies. Dkt. 506 at 14–19 (order denying summary
judgment). What matters, then, is any connection between the costs that the
increased charges covered and mortality or prior losses. See id. (citing Advance
Tr. & Life Escrow Servs., LTA v. Protective Life Ins. Co., 93 F.4th 1315, 1335
(11th Cir. 2024)). Plaintiffs therefore want to use Dr. Browne's opinions to
support their argument that raising COI charges "to make up for abnormally
high expense losses" helps show that the increased charges "were totally

disconnected from mortality rates" and were to recoup prior losses. Dkt. 516
at 6.
But Plaintiffs do not explain how Dr. Browne's opinions—that Conseco
Life's payments to the CNO Defendants were "inflated" and "unusually high"
compared to Conseco's peers—address mortality rates and prior losses. See
dkt. 493 at 5, 14–15. That's because these breach-of-contract issues turn on
whether there's a dollars-and-cents connection between the expense increases

and mortality-rate and prior losses. See dkt. 506 at 14–19. So even if pressure
to inflate payments from Conseco Life to the CNO Defendants "went into" the
decision to raise rates, as Plaintiffs argue, dkt. 516 at 5–6, that would not
support breach. See Reid Hosp. & Health Care Servs., Inc. v. Conifer Rev. Cycle
Sols., LLC, 8 F.4th 642, 655 (7th Cir. 2021) (Motive "is generally regarded is
irrelevant" in a breach of contract claim.). And for the same reason, whether
Conseco Life's expenses were "abnormally high" compared to its peers does not
matter under the Policy language. See id. ("A breach is a breach, based on

objective standards of performance."). Without that connection, Dr. Browne's
opinions about how Conseco Life's charges compared to its alleged peer
companies cannot "help the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to
determine a fact in issue." Fed. R. Evid. 702(a).
Instead, liability turns on the fact questions of whether those expenses
were connected to mortality and whether they covered prior losses. See dkt.
506 at 14–19 (citing Advance Tr. & Life Escrow Servs., LTA, 93 F.4th at 1335).
Moreover, the inadmissibility of opinions about whether the expenses were

inflated does not affect the admissibility of the existence and amount of the
expenses themselves. See dkt. 516 at 5–6. Dr. Browne's opinions that
Conseco Life's expenses and service payments were inflated therefore would not
be helpful to the jury under step two of Rule 702's gatekeeping standard. See
Downing v. Abbot Labs., 48 F.4th 793, 809–10 (7th Cir. 2022) ("For expert
testimony to be admissible, the expert must have had something useful to say
about the particular circumstances at issue."). Even if there were some

tangential relevance to whether Conseco Life was inflating expense charges,
that would be "substantially outweighed" by the risk of turning the jury's focus
to whether Conseco Life was a bad actor instead of whether it breached the
Policies. See Artis v. Santos, 95 F.4th 518, 525, 528 (7th Cir. 2024) ("Rule 403
allows a court to exclude even relevant evidence, including expert testimony.");
Pittman v. County of Madison, Ill., 970 F.3d 823, 829–30 (7th Cir. 2020)
(affirming the exclusion of expert testimony that "was far more likely to confuse
the jury than to help it").

Dr. Browne therefore may not opine at the jury trial whether Conseco
Life's expenses and service payments to the CNO Defendants were inflated.3
C. Robert Muriel
Plaintiffs plan to call Robert Muriel as an expert in accounting and
corporate governance. See dkt. 488-1 at 4. The parties agree that Mr. Muriel's
corporate-governance opinions are relevant to only alter ego issues, dkt. 516 at
2, so he may not opine at the jury trial on those issues, see Kansas City S. Ry.
Co., 831 F.3d at 900. Mr. Muriel also shares Dr. Browne's opinions that

Conseco Life paid the CNO Defendants excessive fees based on "comparable life
insurance companies." Dkt. 488-1 at 3; see dkt. 516 at 6. For the same

3 Because in a bench trial the Rule 702 analysis is not required "before presentation of
the evidence," Kansas City S. Ry. Co., 831 F.3d at 900, the Court does not at this point
address the admissibility of these opinions at the bench trial.
reasons as for Dr. Browne, these opinions would not help the jury determine
breach-of-contract liability, so Mr. Muriel may not opine regarding them at the
jury trial. See Kansas City S. Ry. Co., 831 F.3d at 900.

That leaves Mr. Muriel's opinions about "statutory accounting issues."
See dkt. 474 at 11. The CNO Defendants have not clearly defined the
"decidedly scurrilous opinions" that they seek to exclude, but they identify only
Mr. Muriel's opinions that Conseco Life's "statutory financial statements were
materially 'misstated' or reflected 'inappropriate accounting treatment.'" Id. at
11–14. They argue Mr. Muriel is not qualified to offer those opinions and that
"he conducted no qualitive or quantitative analysis and employed no
methodology used by practitioners in the field." Id. Plaintiff responds that Mr.

Muriel's accounting education qualifies him and that his analysis is reliable
because he considered a "huge quantity of information" and broke down
Conseco Life's financial reports. Dkt. 489 at 4–7, 11–12.
Evaluating an expert's reliability requires "a preliminary assessment of
whether the reasoning or methodology underlying the testimony is scientifically
valid." Kirk v. Clark Equip. Co., 991 F.3d 865, 872 (7th Cir. 2021) (quoting
Daubert, 509 U.S. at 592–93). Relevant factors may include "whether the
expert's theory has been (1) tested, (2) subjected to peer review and publication,

(3) analyzed for known or potential error rate, and/or is (4) generally accepted
within the specific scientific field." Id. "[T]his list is neither exhaustive nor
mandatory." Gopalratnam v. Hewlett–Packard Co., 877 F.3d 771, 780 (7th Cir.
2017). Instead, the test is "flexible" and focuses "on the soundness and care
with which the expert arrived at her opinion." Kirk, 991 F.3d at 873.
Here, Mr. Muriel's report opines that Conseco Life's actions were not "fair

and reasonable" and were "inappropriate," but does not reference statutory-
accounting standards. Dkt. 488-1 at 12–15. It then concludes by opining that
"[e]xcessive service fees and an 'ability to pay' approach to allocating expenses
among the insurance entities left CLIC with statutory statements that have
been misstated for many years." Id. at 20. But in reaching that conclusion,
Mr. Muriel does not identify any statutory-accounting principles, show how he
applied them to Conseco Life's financial statements, or explain why they
demonstrate that those financial statements are misleading or inaccurate. See

dkt. 488-1 at 8 (noting without elaboration that capital and risk are evaluated
and reported "on a statutory accounting basis"). That is not enough to show a
reliable methodology. See Minix v. Canarecci, 597 F.3d 824, 835 (7th Cir.
2010) ("Given Gutierrez's failure to explain his methodology, the district court
could conclude that the report offered nothing of value to the judicial
process.").
Plaintiffs nevertheless argue that Mr. Muriel's analysis is seen in the
exhibits attached to his report and the list of materials he considered. Dkt.

489 at 11–12. But the list of factual inputs doesn't include statutory-
accounting principles, dkt. 488-1 at 43–44, and even if it did that wouldn't
constitute reliable methodology. See Kirk, 991 F.3d at 875 (citing "irrelevant"
industry literature doesn't make an expert's speculation reliable). And the
attachments are mere bar graphs charting years and dollar amounts, so they
represent conclusions rather than methodology. See dkt. 488-1 at 22–33;
Minix, 597 F.3d at 835 ("To be admissible under Rule 702, the expert's opinion

must offer more than a 'bottom line.' The expert must explain the
methodologies and principles supporting the opinion."). Since Mr. Muriel did
not identify the relevant accounting principles or any methodology for applying
them, Plaintiffs have not carried their burden to show that Mr. Muriel's
opinions about "misstated" financial reports are reliable. See Minix, 597 F.3d
at 835; accord Burns v. Sherwin–Williams Co., 78 F.4th 364, 374 (7th Cir.
2023) (affirming the exclusion of "a bare conclusion").
Mr. Muriel therefore may not opine whether Conseco Life's financial

statements satisfied statutory accounting standards.4
III.
Conclusion
The motion to exclude portions of testimony from Timothy Pfeifer and
Mary Jo Hudson is GRANTED, dkt. [475], the motion to exclude portions of
testimony from Mark Browne is GRANTED in part and DENIED in part, dkt.
[467], and the motion to exclude portions of testimony from Robert Muriel is
GRANTED, dkt. [468].

4 The parties also appear to have turned a footnote in the CNO Defendants' brief, dkt.
474 at 12 n.10, into a full-fledged dispute about whether Mr. Muriel ever read a
financial statement as Director of the Illinois Department of Insurance. See dkt. 489
at 5; dkt. 500 at 8–9 n.3. The Court does not address this dispute because Mr.
Muriel's statutory-accounting opinions are resolved based on reliability and the CNO
Defendants do not appear to argue that he is otherwise unqualified to opine on
Conseco Life's financial state. See dkt. 474 at 11.
Because this order cites sealed filings, the Clerk shall docket it under
seal. Any party may file a motion to maintain this order under seal, with
proposed redactions, by April 4, 2025. If no motion to maintain under seal is
filed, the order will be unsealed.
SO ORDERED.
Date: 3/26/2025 Sjamnu Patnaik Hanbore
James Patrick Hanlon
United States District Judge
Southern District of Indiana
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