# Maney v. Brown

> District Court, D. Oregon · June 7, 2023

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- **Court:** District Court, D. Oregon
- **Decided:** June 7, 2023
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF OREGON

PAUL MANEY; GARY CLIFT; GEORGE Case No. 6:20-cv-00570-SB
NULPH; THERON HALL; DAVID HART;
SHERYL LYNN SUBLET, and FELISHIA OPINION AND ORDER
RAMIREZ, a personal representative for the
ESTATE OF JUAN TRISTAN, individually,
on behalf of a class of others similarly
situated,

Plaintiffs,

v.

STATE OF OREGON; KATE BROWN;
COLETTE PETERS; HEIDI STEWARD;
MIKE GOWER; MARK NOOTH; ROB
PERSSON; KEN JESKE; PATRICK
ALLEN; JOE BUGHER; and GARRY
RUSSELL,

Defendants.

BECKERMAN, U.S. Magistrate Judge.
Plaintiffs Paul Maney, Gary Clift, George Nulph, Theron Hall, David Hart, and Sheryl
Lynn Sublet, adults in custody (“AIC”) at Oregon Department of Corrections (“ODOC”)
institutions, along with Felishia Ramirez, the personal representative for the Estate of Juan
Tristan (together, “Plaintiffs”), filed a motion for an order compelling former Governor Kate
Brown (“Governor Brown”), former Oregon Health Authority Director Patrick Allen, several
ODOC officials, and the State of Oregon (together, “Defendants”) to make Governor Brown
available for a deposition.1 (ECF No. 441.) Defendants filed a motion for protective order,
seeking to bar Governor Brown’s deposition. (ECF No. 446.) All parties have consented to the
jurisdiction of a magistrate judge pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 636.

For the reasons that follow, the Court grants Plaintiffs’ motion for an order compelling
Defendants to make Governor Brown available for deposition and denies Defendants’ motion for
a protective order barring Governor Brown’s deposition.
PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
Plaintiffs filed this class action in April 2020, alleging that Defendants failed to protect
AICs in ODOC’s custody from the heightened risk that COVID-19 presented in the custodial
setting. (See Sixth Am. Compl. (“SAC”), ECF No. 282.) A jury trial is scheduled to begin in July
2024. (See ECF No. 435.)
In May 2020, in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, Plaintiffs filed a motion for
temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction to require Defendants to reduce the AIC

population at each ODOC facility, appoint an expert to effectuate the rapid downsizing of those
facilities, require Defendants to provide safe and non-punitive housing separation of AICs in
each ODOC facility based on their COVID-19 infection status, require Defendants to create and
enforce procedures to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission in ODOC facilities consistent
with public health guidance, and immediately implement new procedures to bring ODOC in
compliance with expert guidance and appoint an independent monitor to ensure such

1 Plaintiffs also moved for an order compelling Defendants to make Kevin Gleim, former
Special Projects Attorney at the Office of the Governor, available for deposition. The Court
granted Plaintiffs’ motion to compel in a separate opinion.
compliance. (ECF No. 14.) Following an evidentiary hearing (ECF No. 107), the Court denied
Plaintiffs’ motion (ECF No. 108).
In August 2020, Defendants filed a motion for partial summary judgment arguing, as
relevant here, that qualified immunity bars Plaintiffs’ Eighth Amendment claims and
discretionary immunity bars Plaintiffs’ negligence claims. (ECF No. 115.) Following oral

argument (ECF No. 147), the Court denied Defendants’ motion with respect to qualified
immunity, but granted the motion in part with respect to discretionary immunity and entered
partial summary judgment on Plaintiffs’ negligence claims. (Op. & Order, ECF No. 149.)
Specifically, the Court “agree[d] that discretionary immunity protects the State from negligence
liability for public policy decisions made by policymakers with authority, but Plaintiffs’
negligence claim here challenges more than just high-level policy decisions.” (Id. at 14.) The
Court entered summary judgment on Plaintiffs’ negligence claims challenging Defendants’
deliberative policy decisions, but not on their claims challenging failures to act or to implement
policy decisions. (Id. at 14-25.)

In October 2020, Plaintiffs requested a deposition of Governor Brown, as well as (now
former) ODOC Director Colette Peters (“Director Peters”), and the Court held an informal
telephonic discovery hearing. (Oct. 23, 2020 Hrg. Tr., ECF No. 416.) The Court denied
Plaintiffs’ request to depose Director Peters at that time, on the ground that the information
Plaintiffs sought was available from a less burdensome or alternative source, namely, (then)
Deputy Director Heidi Steward (“Steward”) or Health Services Administrator Joe Bugher
(“Bugher”). (Id. at 14, “And so I deny the request, but without prejudice to revisit the issue after
the deposition of Deputy Director Steward and Mr. Bugher, if plaintiff deposes him as well. If
they have deposed both of those individuals and have identified questions that only Director
Peters can answer, then we will revisit the request and have another conversation about it and
about whether either a limited deposition or written interrogatories is the appropriate response to
address that issue.”). The Court deferred the question of Governor Brown’s deposition pending
further briefing, but instructed the parties that it expected Plaintiffs to serve interrogatories and a
detailed deposition notice before the question would be appropriate for the Court’s review. (See

id. at 15-18.)
In July 2021, Defendants filed a motion to dismiss Plaintiffs’ fourth amended complaint
arguing, as relevant here, that Defendants cannot be held liable under the Eighth Amendment for
Governor Brown’s discretionary exercise of her constitutional clemency powers and that none of
the remaining allegations state a claim against Governor Brown. (ECF No. 245.) Following oral
argument (ECF No. 262), the Court denied Defendants’ motion to dismiss with respect to
Plaintiffs’ claim against Governor Brown, holding that Plaintiffs alleged sufficient facts that a
causal connection exists between Plaintiffs’ alleged injuries and Governor Brown’s involvement
in implementing and overseeing ODOC’s policies, and that Governor Brown knew or reasonably

should have known the consequences of her actions or inaction.2 (Op. & Order at 12-15.)
In April 2022, the Court granted Plaintiffs’ motion to certify two classes of plaintiffs: (a)
the “damages” class, with respect to Plaintiffs’ Eighth Amendment deliberate indifference and
negligence claims, defined as “[a]ll adults incarcerated in Oregon Department of Corrections
facilities who: (1) were incarcerated on or after February 1, 2020; (2) while incarcerated, tested
positive or were otherwise diagnosed with COVID-19; and (3) if they became incarcerated after
February 1, 2020, tested positive or were otherwise diagnosed with COVID-19 at least fourteen

2 The Court noted Defendants’ early acknowledgment in this litigation that Governor
Brown was personally involved with authorizing and overseeing ODOC’s COVID-19 policies.
(Op. & Order at 14 n.3, ECF No. 272.)
days after they entered Oregon Department of Corrections custody;” and (b) the “wrongful
death” class, with respect to Plaintiffs’ wrongful death claims, defined as “[e]states of all adults
incarcerated at Oregon Department of Corrections facilities continuously since February 1, 2020,
who died during the Wrongful Death Class period, and for whom COVID-19 caused or
contributed to their death[.]” (Op. & Order at 53-54, ECF No. 377.) Defendants sought

permission to appeal the Court’s class certification opinion, but the Ninth Circuit denied
Defendants’ request in May 2022. (See Maney v. State of Or., No. 22-80033, ECF No. 4.)
On October 31, 2022, Defendants filed a motion for protective order to prevent Plaintiffs
from deposing Governor Brown while she remained in office, “so that Governor Brown can
focus on state business, including the upcoming transition to a new administration, and not have
to sit for a premature and potentially unnecessary deposition.” (Defs.’ Mot. Prot. Order at 2, ECF
No. 410). Plaintiffs opposed the motion. (ECF No. 414.) The Court granted Defendants’ motion
for a protective order with respect to Governor Brown’s deposition, holding that “Plaintiffs have
not met their burden of demonstrating extraordinary circumstances to justify taking Governor

Kate Brown’s deposition before the end of her current term.” (ECF No. 419.) The Court found
that “[s]pecifically, Plaintiffs have not yet exhausted other less intrusive discovery methods, such
as deposing Governor Brown’s staff or serving interrogatories.” (Id., “The Court therefore enters
a protective order barring Governor Brown's deposition prior to January 9, 2023. The Court
denies Defendants’ request for a protective order barring Governor Brown’s deposition
altogether, with leave to renew if Plaintiffs notice her deposition again after exhausting less
intrusive discovery methods.”).
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On April 10, 2023, Plaintiffs filed the motion to compel at issue here, and Defendants
responded with their motion for protective order on April 17, 2023. (ECF Nos. 441, 446.) The
Court heard oral argument on the motions on May 24, 2023. (ECF No. 462.)
LEGAL STANDARDS
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure (“Rule”) 26(b)(1) provides that parties “may obtain

discovery regarding any nonprivileged matter that is relevant to any party’s claim or defense and
proportional to the needs of the case[.]” FED. R. CIV. P. 26(b)(1). Rule 26 lists the relevant
proportionality factors: “the importance of the issues at stake in the action, the amount in
controversy, the parties’ relative access to relevant information, the parties’ resources, the
importance of the discovery in resolving the issues, and whether the burden or expense of the
proposed discovery outweighs its likely benefit.” Id. Rule 26(c) also provides that “[t]he court
may, for good cause, issue an order to protect a party or person from annoyance, embarrassment,
oppression, or undue burden or expense” by, among other things, not allowing a deposition or
limiting its scope. FED. R. CIV. P. 26(c)(1).
DISCUSSION

Plaintiffs move to compel the deposition of former Governor Brown. (Pls.’ Mot. Compel
(“Pls.’ Mot.”) at 5-10, ECF No. 441.) Plaintiffs seek to depose Governor Brown primarily on the
topics of her early release program and her closure of two ODOC facilities during the COVID-19
pandemic. (Id.) Defendants object to any deposition of Governor Brown, on the ground that the
deposition privilege applicable to high-ranking officials protects her from answering any of
Plaintiffs’ questions about her role in managing ODOC’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
(Defs.’ Mot. Prot. Order & Opp’n to Pls.’ Mot. (“Defs.’ Mot.”) at 8-18, ECF No. 446.)
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I. “APEX” DEPOSITION PRIVILEGE
Defendants argue that the deposition privilege applicable to high-ranking government
officials protects former Governor Brown from any deposition in this case, and that Plaintiffs
have not established extraordinary circumstances to justify Governor Brown’s deposition here.
(Defs.’ Mot. at 8-18.)

A. Applicable Law
The Ninth Circuit recently articulated the standards applicable to the deposition privilege
for high-ranking government or corporate officials, also known as the “apex” doctrine. In In re
U.S. Department of Education, a Ninth Circuit panel issued a writ of mandamus and held that a
district court clearly erred in allowing the deposition of former U.S. Secretary of Education
Betsy DeVos (“Secretary DeVos”) in connection with an action challenging a Department of
Education ruling on student borrowers’ applications to cancel federal student loans. See In re
U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th 692 (9th Cir. 2022). The panel outlined three requirements a party
must establish to depose a cabinet secretary: “(1) a showing of agency bad faith; (2) the
information sought from the secretary is essential to the case; and (3) the information sought

from the secretary cannot be obtained in any other way.” Id. at 702; see also Givens v. Newsom,
No. 2:20-cv-0852-JAM-CKD, 2021 WL 65878, at *5 (E.D. Cal. Jan. 7, 2021) (finding that
depositions of high-ranking individuals are allowed “when there are allegations that the official
acted with improper motive or acted outside the scope of his official capacity” (quoting Coleman
v. Schwarzenegger, No. CIV S-90-0520-LKK-JFM-P, 2008 WL 4300437, at *3-4 (E.D. Cal.
Sept. 15, 2008))); Estate of Levingston v. Cnty. of Kern, 320 F.R.D. 520, 525 (E.D. Cal. 2017)
(holding that under the apex doctrine, “an individual objecting to a deposition must first
demonstrate [s]he is sufficiently high-ranking to invoke the deposition privilege” and then the
court considers whether there are “extraordinary circumstances” to justify the deposition, based
on “(1) whether the deponent has unique first-hand, non-repetitive knowledge of the facts at
issue in the case; and (2) whether the party seeking the deposition has exhausted other less
intrusive discovery methods”) (simplified); Coleman, 2008 WL 4300437, at *3 (to demonstrate
“extraordinary circumstances,” a plaintiff must show that proposed high-ranking deponents
“possess personal knowledge of facts critical to the outcome of the proceedings and that such

information cannot be obtained by other means”).
The panel sustained the district court’s finding of agency bad faith, but disagreed with the
district court that Secretary DeVos’s testimony was essential to the case or that the information
the plaintiffs sought was otherwise unobtainable. In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 704. The
panel held that its reasoning applied even though DeVos was no longer serving as secretary.3 Id.
at 705.
Courts have recognized the rationale for the apex deposition privilege, finding that “high
ranking government officials have greater duties and time constraints than other witnesses and
. . . , without appropriate limitations, such officials will spend an inordinate amount of time

tending to pending litigation.” Thomas v. Cate, 715 F. Supp. 2d 1012, 1048 (E.D. Cal. 2010)
(citation omitted); Apple Inc. v. Samsung Elecs. Co., Ltd., 282 F.R.D. 259, 263 (N.D. Cal. 2012)
(recognizing that there is “tremendous potential for abuse or harassment” if courts allow
depositions of high-ranking officials).
The Court has no reason to conclude that the Ninth Circuit would apply a different test to
evaluate the deposition of a governor, who similar to a cabinet secretary is a high-ranking official

3 One judge of the three-judge panel dissented, finding that “the district court did not
clearly err in denying the motion to quash, particularly because of the salient feature that DeVos
is a former secretary.” In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 713.
serving in the executive branch. Accordingly, the Court applies the In re U.S. Department of
Education test here to evaluate Plaintiffs’ request to depose former Governor Brown.
B. Deposition Privilege Applied to Governors
Before applying the test, the Court notes that in prior cases, courts have allowed the
depositions of both current and former governors. See, e.g., Fair Fight Action, Inc. v.

Raffensperger, 333 F.R.D. 689, 698 (N.D. Ga. 2019) (allowing deposition of the current
governor of Georgia on three of eight requested topics); Freedom From Religion Found., Inc.
(“FFRF”) v. Abbott, No. A-16-CA-00233-SS, 2017 WL 4582804, at *11 (W.D. Tex. Oct. 13,
2017) (allowing deposition of the current governor of Texas, finding that “Governor Abbott is a
party to this litigation in his individual capacity, and his motive in requesting removal of [the
plaintiff’s] exhibit [in the state capitol building] is central to [the plaintiff’s] claims against
him”); Victory v. Pataki, No. 02-CV-0031S(Sr), 2008 WL 4500202, at *2 (W.D.N.Y. Sept. 30,
2008) (allowing deposition of the former governor of New York regarding his involvement in the
rescission of a decision by the New York State Parole Board and finding that the deposition was
necessary to address the former governor’s possible involvement in the decision and noting that

“[t]here can be no question [] that a deposition of a former official can no longer pose the risk of
interfering with governmental duties”); Bagley v. Blagojevich, 486 F. Supp. 2d 786, 788-90
(C.D. Ill. 2007) (allowing deposition of the current governor of Illinois in retaliation action
where former correctional captains alleged that the governor was either the ultimate decision-
maker or at least personally involved in the decision to eliminate their positions).
Courts have also denied depositions of both current and former governors. See, e.g.,
Givens, 2021 WL 65878, at *6 (denying the plaintiff’s request to depose the current governor of
California, and holding that “[u]ntil plaintiffs can show the fruitlessness of other discovery
avenues, a protective order will remain appropriate to prohibit the deposition of Governor
Newsom in this case”); Thomas, 715 F. Supp. 2d at 1048-49 (denying the plaintiff’s request to
depose the current and former governors of California where the plaintiff sought information
regarding the general process of reviewing parole applications); Coleman, 2008 WL 4300437, at
*3-4 (denying the plaintiffs’ request to depose the current governor of California in action
challenging prison overcrowding because the “plaintiffs have not carried their burden of

establishing that no other person possesses the information in question, particularly other
members of the Governor’s office or his administration, or that such information may not be
obtained by other means”); see also Am. Trucking Ass’n, Inc. v. Alviti, 14 F.4th 76, 85 (1st Cir.
2021) (issuing writ of mandamus to quash subpoena of nonparty former governor of Rhode
Island).4
C. Analysis
The parties do not dispute that Governor Brown is a high-ranking government official for
the purposes of the deposition privilege, and therefore the Court must determine if Plaintiffs have
demonstrated extraordinary circumstances to allow them to depose the former governor. See
Thomas, 715 F. Supp. 2d at 1049 (“There can be no doubt that Governor Schwarzenegger is a

high-ranking government official for the purposes of the deposition privilege. Accordingly, the
Court must determine whether Petitioner has demonstrated extraordinary circumstances which
entitled him to depose the Governor.”).
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4 Courts have also denied depositions of governors in cases where the governor simply
had no personal knowledge of the dispute. See, e.g., Watson v. Schwarzenegger, No. CV 05-
0192-JFW(CTx), 2006 WL 8440703, at *3 (C.D. Cal. Jan. 20, 2006) (“Plaintiff speculates, with
absolutely no factual support, that it is ‘quite possible’ that plaintiff’s administrative appeal came
to the personal attention of the Governor[.]”).
1. Bad Faith or Improper Conduct
With respect to the threshold showing of agency bad faith or improper conduct to justify
a high-ranking government official’s deposition, the Ninth Circuit panel in In re U.S.
Department of Education “s[aw] no reason to question” the district court’s finding that the
Department of Education acted in bad faith by denying student loan applications using form

letters despite previously claiming that lengthy delays in deciding applications for student debt
relief were due to a time-intensive decisionmaking process. In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at
703; see also FFRF, 2017 WL 4582804, at *11 n.24 (finding that the current Texas governor’s
“first-hand knowledge of his own motives” was reason to deny protection where the plaintiff
“pled specific facts sufficient to support its allegation that Governor Abbott acted with improper
motive”).
Here, Plaintiffs allege that Governor Brown and the other defendants acted with
deliberate indifference to the health and safety of AICs during the COVID-19 pandemic. An
official acts with deliberate indifference if she “knows of and disregards an excessive risk to
inmate health and safety.” Toguchi v. Chung, 391 F.3d 1051, 1057 (9th Cir. 2004) (citation

omitted). “Under this standard, the prison official must not only ‘be aware of facts from which
the inference could be drawn that a substantial risk of serious harm exists,’ but that person ‘must
also draw the inference.’” Id. (quoting Farmer v. Brennan, 511 U.S. 825, 837 (1994)). “If [an
official] should have been aware of the risk, but was not, then the [official] has not violated the
Eighth Amendment, no matter how severe the risk.” Id. (citation omitted).
Although the deliberate indifference standard is not synonymous with bad faith, the Ninth
Circuit has likened the two standards. See Luke v. City of Tacoma, No. 21-35440, 2022 WL
2168938, at *1 n.1 (9th Cir. June 16, 2022) (“Because of the absence of evidence upon which a
reasonable juror could find that the individual defendants engaged in wrongful or bad faith
conduct, we also reject [the plaintiff’s] argument that the individual defendants acted with
deliberate indifference[.]” (citing Starr v. Baca, 652 F.3d 1202, 1207 (9th Cir. 2011))). At the
very least, deliberate indifference reflects wrongful or improper conduct.
The Court finds that Plaintiffs’ allegations that Governor Brown (as well as the other
named defendants) acted with deliberate indifference to the health and safety of AICs during the

COVID-19 pandemic is sufficient to meet the threshold requirement of either agency or
individual bad faith or wrongful conduct. Plaintiffs’ allegations here are no less serious than
those cases in which courts have found that plaintiffs’ allegations met the threshold seriousness
requirement. See, e.g., In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 703 (denying student loan
applications with a form letter); Raffensperger, 333 F.R.D. at 698 (N.D. Ga. 2019) (engaging in
voting irregularities); FFRF, 2017 WL 4582804, at *11 (removing an exhibit from the state
capitol building); Victory, 2008 WL 4500202, at *2 (rescinding a parole decision); Bagley, 486
F. Supp. 2d at 788-90 (terminating state employees in retaliation).
For these reasons, the Court finds that Plaintiffs have met the threshold requirement to

depose Governor Brown.
2. Essential to Plaintiffs’ Claims
With respect to whether the information Plaintiffs seek from Governor Brown is
essential, the In re Department of Education panel explained that the deponent’s information
must be not only relevant but also necessary. In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 704 (“Were
we to allow the taking of depositions of cabinet-level officials in which relevant, but unnecessary
information, was sought, we would risk distracting cabinet secretaries from their essential duties
with an inundation of compulsory, unnecessary depositions and upsetting the proper balance of
powers.”). The panel found that the plaintiffs did not allege that former Secretary DeVos had
information essential to their case, and in fact acknowledged that they could obtain relief without
DeVos’s testimony.5 Id. at 704.
Courts are more likely to allow depositions of high-ranking officials who were personally
involved in the events at issue, or who are named as a defendant in the litigation, because they
possess direct factual information relevant to the case. See, e.g., Givens, 2021 WL 65878, at *5

(“Plaintiffs are correct that courts often look more favorably on depositions of high-ranking
officials when there are allegations that the official personally made the decision(s) at issue in
the litigation.”) (citations omitted); Coleman, 2008 WL 4300437, at *2 (“The extraordinary
circumstances test may be met when high-ranking officials ‘have direct personal factual
information pertaining to material issues in an action,’ and ‘the information to be gained is not
available through any other sources’” (quoting Bogan v. City of Boston, 489 F.3d 417, 423 (1st
Cir. 2007))); Thomas, 715 F. Supp. 2d at 1049 (“Depositions of high ranking officials may be
permitted where the official has first-hand knowledge related to the claim being litigated.”)
(citations omitted); see also FFRF, 2017 WL 4582804, at *11 (allowing limited deposition based

on finding that “Governor Abbott is a party to this litigation in his individual capacity, and his
motive in requesting removal of FFRF’s exhibit is central to FFRF’s claims against him”);
Bagley, 486 F. Supp. 2d at 789 (allowing deposition of the governor where the plaintiffs alleged
that “the Governor was either the ultimate decision maker or at least personally involved in the
decision”); Toussie v. Cnty. of Suffolk, No. CV 05-1814, 2006 WL 1982687, at *2 (E.D.N.Y.

5 The dissenting judge disagreed, finding that the “district court thoroughly explained
why former Secretary DeVos had unique information that was necessary, or ‘essential,’ to the
plaintiffs’ . . . claims[,]” noting the district court’s finding that “‘material gaps at the highest
rungs of the Department’s decisionmaking record’ revealed DeVos’s personal involvement in the
challenged conduct” and demonstrated the necessity for her testimony. In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ.,
25 F.4th at 711. The dissenting judge further noted that the plaintiffs also alleged agency
inaction, for which there existed no official and contemporaneous explanation. Id.
July 13, 2006) (finding that “[g]enerally, the depositions of former government officials are
granted where the official has been personally involved in the events at issue in the case”).
Here, there is no dispute that Governor Brown was personally involved in making
relevant decisions regarding ODOC’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the state’s prisons,
and Governor Brown remains a named defendant in this class action. In addition, Plaintiffs have

established that Governor Brown’s testimony is necessary to prove their case, in particular their
deliberate indifference claims against her. (Pls.’ Mot. at 8-12; Pls.’ Resp. at 6-7, ECF No. 451.)
Although Plaintiffs have now deposed members of the Governor’s staff, as well as ODOC
officials, no other witness can testify about Governor Brown’s knowledge with respect to the
heightened risk that COVID-19 presented in the custodial setting and the actions she took or did
not take with that knowledge. Plaintiffs are not directly challenging Governor Brown’s early
release decisions, but the information she received in connection with the early release program,
as well as her decision to close two ODOC institutions during the pandemic, is relevant to her
knowledge of whether the population density at ODOC institutions allowed for adequate

distancing to protect AICs from the spread of COVID-19. Those facts are essential to Plaintiffs’
burden to prove that Governor Brown and the other defendants knew of, but disregarded, an
excessive risk to AICs’ health and safety.
For these reasons, Plaintiffs have established that Governor Brown’s testimony is both
relevant and necessary, and therefore essential, to proving their claims.
3. Not Otherwise Obtainable
Finally, the Ninth Circuit panel held in In re U.S. Department of Education that to take
the deposition of a high-ranking official, “the information sought cannot be obtainable in any
other way.” In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 704. The panel found that the district court had
not considered less intrusive means of discovery, the plaintiffs had not established that the
information they sought from Secretary DeVos was otherwise unobtainable, and the plaintiffs
had not exhausted “all reasonable alternative sources” of information. Id. Specifically, the panel
held that vague references by other deponents to their lack of decisionmaking authority was not
sufficient to demonstrate that DeVos had information that the plaintiffs could not obtain
elsewhere.6 Id. at 705.

Similarly, the district court in Givens found that the plaintiffs had not demonstrated
“that no other person possesses the information in question, particularly other members of the
Governor’s office or his administration, or that such information may not be obtained by other
means.” Givens, 2021 WL 65878, at *5 (quoting Coleman, 2008 WL 4300437, at *4).
Specifically, the Givens court found that “it is likely that other lower-ranking members of [the
governor’s] office or administration would have relevant information about his actions.” Id.
(quoting Coleman, 2008 WL 4033437, at *4). In that case, the “plaintiffs ha[d] not attempted any
less intrusive discovery methods or sources for the information they seek” and the court held that
“[a]t a bare minimum, no deposition should be required of Governor Newsom until plaintiffs

have first deposed the two [agency] fact witnesses currently scheduled for deposition later this
month.” Id. (“[T]he court is unconvinced that deposing the Governor will be the least
burdensome method of discovery.”).
So too in Coleman, where the district court found that the “plaintiffs have not carried
their burden of establishing that no other person possesses the information in question,

6 The dissenting judge noted that the plaintiffs took the depositions of the officials the
Department designated as most likely to have relevant information, “but those officials then
disclaimed authority to make the decisions at issue and intimated that the decisions rested with
former Secretary DeVos.” In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 704 (“No court of appeals has
stated that all discovery methods must be exhausted in order to show that the information is not
available from another source.”).
particularly other members of the Governor’s office or his administration, or that such
information may not be obtained by other means.” Coleman, 2008 WL 4300437, at *3-4.
The posture of this litigation is different. As discussed above, the Court instructed the
parties in October 2020 that Plaintiffs must first serve interrogatories and depose lower-ranking
officials before deposing high-ranking officials in this case. The Court also denied Plaintiffs’

request to depose Governor Brown in November 2022 while she was nearing the end of her
tenure as governor, finding that “Plaintiffs have not met their burden of demonstrating
extraordinary circumstances to justify taking Governor Kate Brown’s deposition before the end
of her current term.” (ECF No. 419.) The Court found that Plaintiffs had “not yet exhausted other
less intrusive discovery methods, such as deposing Governor Brown’s staff or serving
interrogatories.” (Id.)
Plaintiffs have now returned to the Court at the close of discovery having served
interrogatories on Governor Brown and deposed several of her staff members (including
Constantin Severe, Tina Edlund, and Nik Blosser) and high-ranking ODOC officials (including

Director Peters, Steward, and Bugher). None of those discovery methods have provided
Plaintiffs with all of the information they require regarding what Governor Brown knew—both
from the sources already deposed but also from all other available sources of information to
which she was privy—about the heightened risk of COVID-19 in the state’s prisons, particularly
with respect to the population density absent early releases and as a result of prison closures.
(See Pls.’ Resp. at 8-11.) The Court finds that Plaintiffs have now exhausted less intrusive
discovery mechanisms, and have established that the information they seek from Governor
Brown is not otherwise available.
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4. Conclusion
In In re U.S. Department of Education, the Ninth Circuit panel emphasized that “[t]he
significant protection from depositions that [high-ranking government officials] enjoy does not
mean that they are above the law,” citing the fact that in the treason case against Aaron Burr,
then trial judge John Marshall held that it was appropriate to call the U.S. president to testify at

Burr’s trial, distinguishing what separates U.S. elected officials from a monarchy:
[T]he crown is hereditary, and the monarch can never be a subject . . . [T]he
president is elected from the mass of people, and, on the expiration of the time for
which he is elected, returns to the mass of the people again. . . . If, upon any
principle, the president could be construed to stand exempt from the general
provisions of the constitution, it would be, because his duties as chief magistrate
demand his whole time for national objects. But it is apparent that this demand is
not unremitting. . . .

In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 701 (quoting United States v. Burr, 25 F. Cas. 30, 34
(C.C.D. Va. 1807)). Governor Brown was similarly elected from the mass of the people, and on
the expiration of the time for which she was elected, she has returned to the mass of the people
again. Although the Court agreed with Defendants that deposing Governor Brown while she
remained in office would interfere with her official duties as governor, the demands of the job
have now remitted. As a result, although the deposition privilege continues to apply (see In re
U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 705),7 the rationale behind the deposition privilege applies with
less force.8 See Thomas, 715 F. Supp. 2d at 1049-50 (finding that “[t]he general rule prohibiting

7 The dissenting judge in In re U.S. Department of Education observed that “no court of
appeals decision has resolved whether the ‘extraordinary circumstances’ doctrine should apply
with the same force to a former secretary where the underlying rationales have limited
applicability.” In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25 F.4th at 709.
8 The In re U.S. Department of Education panel reasoned that the concerns about time
constraints continued to apply to former officials, and that the threat of preparing and sitting for
depositions could “hamper and distract officials from their duties while in office[,]” and
“overwhelming and unnecessary discovery could also discourage [officials] from taking that
office in the first place or leaving office when there is controversy.” In re U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 25
depositions of high-ranking government officials applies to former high-ranking officials,
although in the case of former high-ranking government officials, one important rationale for the
rule is absent” and citing prior case “noting that rationale based on interference with official
duties is absent” (citing United States v. Sensient Colors, Inc., 649 F. Supp. 2d 309, 320 (D.N.J.
2009))).

The deposition privilege is important to protect high-ranking government officials from
harassment, distraction, or burden while they execute the demanding duties of their office. But
now that Governor Brown has left office, a brief deposition is less burdensome and will not
distract from any official duties.9
In addition, this is not a case of one AIC seeking to depose the governor about an
individual claim, nor is there any evidence that Plaintiffs seek to depose former Governor Brown
for any improper purpose. Instead, a certified class of thousands of individuals infected with
COVID-19 while in the state’s custody—including the estates of dozens who died—seek to ask
Governor Brown questions about her knowledge of and actions regarding the spread of COVID-

19 in Oregon’s prisons while she served as Oregon’s governor. To minimize the burden of a
deposition on Governor Brown pursuant to Rule 26(c)(1), the Court limits its duration to two
hours, and finds that a two-hour deposition in this certified class action is not too much to ask of
a former elected official.
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F.4th at 705. It seems unlikely that a gubernatorial candidate would be discouraged from seeking
public office with knowledge that she might be required to sit for the brief deposition ordered
here upon leaving office.
9 There is nothing in the record to suggest that former Governor Brown is reemployed,
nor that any new employment or duties would interfere with her ability to participate in a brief
deposition.
CONCLUSION
For the reasons stated, the Court GRANTS Plaintiffs’ motion to compel the deposition of
former Governor Brown (ECF No. 441), DENIES Defendants’ motion for a protective order
barring the deposition (ECF No. 446), and ORDERS Defendants to make former Governor
Brown available for a deposition, not to exceed two hours, at a time and location convenient to
former Governor Brown.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
DATED this 7th day of June, 2023. TIL
S7 Yatie 7 Lptene7
United States Magistrate Judge

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Source: Frix Law Library, https://www.frixlaw.com/law-library/cases/10396061. Public record. Not legal advice.