# Boyd v. Commissioner of Social Security

> District Court, S.D. Illinois · July 11, 2023

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## Case

- **Court:** District Court, S.D. Illinois
- **Decided:** July 11, 2023
- **Opinion:** 100trialcourt
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- explaining that an ALJ may properly accept a VE’s uncontradicted testimony absent obvious internal conflicts

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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS

MAX B.,1

Plaintiff,

v. Case No. 3:22-CV-1432-NJR

COMMISSIONER OF SOCIAL
SECURITY,

Defendant.

MEMORANDUM AND ORDER

ROSENSTENGEL, Chief Judge:
In accordance with 42 U.S.C. §405(g), Plaintiff seeks judicial review of the final
agency decision denying his application for Disability Insurance Benefits (DIB) pursuant
to 42 U.S.C. § 423.
BACKGROUND
Plaintiff applied for DIB alleging an onset date of July 26, 2017. (Tr. 31). Plaintiff’s
claim was initially denied on October 11, 2018, and upon reconsideration on December
13, 2018 (Tr. 88-121). On January 30, 2019, Plaintiff filed a request for a hearing by an
Administrative Law Judge (ALJ). (Tr. 132). After holding an evidentiary hearing, an ALJ
denied the application on June 3, 2020. (Tr. 51). The Appeals Council denied Plaintiff’s
request for review on October 30, 2020, making the ALJ’s decision the final agency

1 Plaintiff’s full name will not be used due to privacy concerns. See FED. R. CIV. P. 5.2(c) and the
Advisory Committee Notes thereto.
decision subject to judicial review. (Tr. 1-6). Plaintiff filed a timely complaint, and
Magistrate Judge Reona J. Daly reversed and remanded on July 19, 2021. (Tr. 1364-1371).

The ALJ held an additional hearing in February 2022. (Tr. 1298-1323). The ALJ
denied the application again in March 2022. (Tr. 1264-1288). Accordingly, Plaintiff
exhausted administrative remedies and filed a timely complaint.
ISSUE RAISED BY PLAINTIFF
Plaintiff raises the following issue:
[T]he ALJ erred in relying on unreliable VE opinions that were obviously
in conflict with public information from sources accepted by administrative
notice and cited by the VE.

(Doc. 12, p. 4).
LEGAL STANDARD
To qualify for DIB, a claimant must be disabled within the meaning of the
applicable statutes. Under the Social Security Act, a person is disabled if he or she has an
“inability to engage in any substantial gainful activity by reason of any medically
determinable physical or mental impairment which can be expected to result in death or
which has lasted or can be expected to last for a continuous period of not less than twelve
months.” 42 U.S.C. § 423(d)(1)(a).
To determine whether a claimant is disabled, the ALJ considers the following five

questions in order: (1) Is the claimant presently employed? (2) Does the claimant have a
severe impairment? (3) Does the impairment meet or medically equal one of a list of
specific impairments enumerated in the regulations? (4) Is the claimant unable to perform
his or her former occupation? and (5) Is the claimant unable to perform any other work?
See 20 C.F.R. § 404.1520.

An affirmative answer at either step three or step five leads to a finding that the
claimant is disabled. A negative answer at any step, other than at step three precludes a
finding of disability. The claimant bears the burden of proof at steps one through four.
Once the claimant shows an inability to perform past work, the burden shifts to the
Commissioner to show the claimant’s ability to engage in other work existing in
significant numbers in the national economy. Zurawski v. Halter, 245 F.3d 881, 886 (7th

Cir. 2001).
It is important to recognize that the scope of judicial review is limited. “The
findings of the Commissioner of Social Security as to any fact, if supported by substantial
evidence, shall be conclusive. . . .” 42 U.S.C. § 405(g). Accordingly, this Court is not tasked
with determining whether or not Plaintiff was, in fact, disabled at the relevant time, but

whether the ALJ’s findings were supported by substantial evidence and whether any
errors of law were made. Lopez ex rel. Lopez v. Barnhart, 336 F.3d 535, 539 (7th Cir. 2003).
The Supreme Court defines substantial evidence as “such relevant evidence as a
reasonable mind might accept as adequate to support a conclusion.” Biestek v. Berryhill,
139 S. Ct. 1148, 1154 (2019) (internal citations omitted).

In reviewing for “substantial evidence,” the entire administrative record is taken
into consideration, but this Court does not reweigh evidence, resolve conflicts, decide
questions of credibility, or substitute its own judgment for that of the ALJ. Burmester v.
Berryhill, 920 F.3d 507, 510 (7th Cir. 2019). While judicial review is deferential, it is not
abject; this Court does not act as a rubber stamp for the Commissioner. See Parker v.

Astrue, 597 F.3d 920, 921 (7th Cir. 2010), and cases cited therein.
EVIDENTIARY RECORD
The Court has reviewed and considered the entire evidentiary record in preparing
this Memorandum and Order. The following summary of the record is directed to the
points raised by Plaintiff.
I. Evidentiary Hearing

Plaintiff was represented by an attorney at the evidentiary hearing on February
16, 2022. (Tr. 1298). The ALJ began by examining Plaintiff. Plaintiff explained that his
physical conditions limit his ability to work. (Tr. 1303). Specifically, “the spinal stenosis
with seven herniated discs and the neuropathy and tendonitis with the elbows and that
stuff.” (Id.). He explained that the pain goes “through [his] neck into [his] scapula down

[his] back, sometimes into [his] hips and legs and then down both arms and causes
complete numbness and change to tingling’s so that [he] can’t feel [his] hands and [his]
arms sometimes.” (Id.). After five minutes of sitting or standing, Plaintiff must change
positions, or he will start experiencing numbness and tingling. (Tr. 1304-1305).
Besides his physical conditions, Plaintiff went into detail about his mental

conditions2 and incidents where he got into altercations with other individuals. (Tr. 1307-

2 The ALJ found that Plaintiff has the following severe impairments: “bipolar disorder, persistent
depressive disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder,
panic disorder, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, mild neurocognitive disorder, learning
disability in reading, and degenerative disc and degenerative joint disease of the cervical and
1310). In one of the altercations, Plaintiff threw an individual down a set of steps, struck
the individual, threw the individual’s head through a glass door, and threw the person
out into the parking lot. (Tr. 1309-1310).
A vocational expert (“VE”) also testified at the hearing. The ALJ asked him a
hypothetical question that corresponded to the Residual Functional Capacity (“RFC”)
assessment— Whether there would be work for an individual with the same age,
education, and work experience as Plaintiff, but with the following limitations:

e never climb ladders, ropes, or scaffolds and occasionally climb
ramps and stairs, balance, stoop, kneel, crouch, and crawl;
e work requiring no concentrated exposure to hazards, such as
unprotected heights;
e work limited to simple tasks in a routine work environment and
make simple, work-related decisions;
e work that is not at a fast pace such as on an assembly line but meet
reasonable production requirements in an environment that allows
for a flexible and goal oriented pace;
e work requiring no direct contact with the public and work primarily
involving working with things rather than people; and

e work in proximity to but not coordination with coworkers.
(Tr. 1317-1318). The VE testified that there are approximately 700,000 medium hand
packager jobs nationally, approximately 210,000 laundry worker jobs nationally, and
1.5 million medium material handler jobs nationally. (Tr. 1318). The ALJ also asked the
VE about jobs for the light work category. (Ir. 1319). The VE testified there are

lumbar spine.” (Tr. 1267).
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approximately 900,000 light janitorial jobs nationally, approximately 400,000 light bakery
worker jobs nationally, and approximately 640,000 light bottle packer jobs nationally.

(Id.).
The ALJ also asked the VE about the tolerance for time off task in unskilled work.
The VE answered, “[i]t’ll vary by job and employer, but it would be less than 10% in any
case.” (Tr. 1320). As far as tolerance for absences, the VE noted, “[g]enerally not more
than once a month, but not every month consecutively.” (Id.).
Plaintiff’s attorney asked the VE about the method used in estimating the job

numbers. (Tr. 1321). The VE answered it was based on research by the Bureau of Labor
Statistics. (Id.). After the hearing, Plaintiff’s attorney reviewed the VE’s hearing testimony
and objected to the VE’s opinions “as to job incidence data lack a reliable methodology.”
(Tr. 1505). Plaintiff’s attorney argued, “[t]here is no specific confirmable methodology
described in the record, and no evidence that the VE’s methods for obtaining job

incidence data are reliable and well-accepted, or why that is so.” (Id.).
II. State Agency Consultants’ Opinions
In October 2018, M. W. DiFonso, Psy.D. (“DiFonso”) assessed Plaintiff’s RFC based
on a review of the record. (Tr. 88-100). DiFonso indicated that Plaintiff had moderate
difficulties in interacting with others and in concentrating, persisting, and maintaining

pace. (Tr. 94). DiFonso further indicated that Plaintiff had sustained concentration and
persistence limitations. (Tr. 97). According to DiFonso, Plaintiff’s ability to carry out
detailed instructions and maintain attention and concentration for extended periods was
moderately limited. (Id.).
About two months later, Howard Tin, Psy.D, (“Tin”), the second state agency
consultant, agreed with DiFonso’s opinion. (Tr. 104-121). Tin noted that “[Plaintiff’s]
allegation of the severity of the disorder is not consistent with [Plaintiff's] ability to
function generally well from day to day.” (Tr. 118).
DECISION OF THE ALJ
The ALJ followed a five-step sequential evaluation process for determining
whether Plaintiff is disabled. She determined the Plaintiff has not engaged in substantial
gainful activity since the alleged onset date. (Tr. 1267). The ALJ found that Plaintiff has
the following severe impairments: “bipolar disorder, persistent depressive disorder,
post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder,
attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, mild neurocognitive disorder, learning disability
in reading, and degenerative disc and degenerative joint disease of the cervical and
lumbar spine.” (Id.).
The ALJ determined that Plaintiff does not have an impairment or combination of
impairments that meets or medically equals the severity of one of the listed impairments
within the meaning of the Social Security Act. (Tr. 1268). Thus, the ALJ found that Plaintiff
had the RFC to perform light work, but with the following limitations:

e can never climb ladders, ropes, or scaffolds and occasionally climb
ramps and stairs, balance, stoop, kneel, crouch, and crawl;

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e work requiring no concentrated exposure to hazards, such as
unprotected heights;
e work limited to simple tasks in a routine work environment and
make simple, work-related decisions;
e work that is not at a fast pace such as on an assembly line but meet
reasonable production requirements in an environment that allows
for a flexible and goal oriented pace;
e work requiring no direct contact with the public and work primarily
involving working with things rather than people; and

e work in proximity to but not coordination with coworkers.
(Tr. 1271). The ALJ found that through the date last insured, Plaintiff was unable to
perform any past relevant work. (Tr. 1285). In conclusion, based on the VE’s testimony,
the ALJ found that Plaintiff was not disabled because considering his age, education,
work experience, and RFC, Plaintiff is capable of making a successful adjustment to other
work that exists in significant numbers in the national economy. (Tr. 1286).
DISCUSSION
Plaintiff argues the “ALJ accepted uncritically the VE’s testimony that three jobs
would be available given [his] limitations: janitorial (DOT 323.687-014, 900,000 jobs
nationally); bakery worker (DOT 524.687-018, 400,000 jobs nationally); and bottle packer
(DOT 920.685-026, 640,000 jobs nationally).” (Doc. 12, p. 7). According to Plaintiff, “[t]his
was obviously flawed testimony, and the ALJ should never have accepted as reliable.”
(id.). Plaintiff notes that “[t]he VE’s cited source—’research by the Bureau of Labor
Statistics’ completely undermines her testimony.” (Id.).
The Commissioner argues that “Plaintiff waived or forfeited his objection to the

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[VE’s] testimony.” (Doc. 18, p. 8). According to the Commissioner, “[t]he Seventh
Circuit’s holding of waiver in Coyier [v. Saul, 860 F. App’x 426 (7th Cir. 2021)] is consistent

with its other precedents, which have held that a claimant waives or forfeits any
challenges to the vocational expert’s testimony that are not raised at the administrative
hearing.” (Id. at p. 11) (citations omitted).
The Court agrees. In Desotelle v. Kijakazi, 2022 WL 409184 (E.D. Wis. Feb. 10, 2022),
the plaintiff’s counsel only made a non-specific objection to the VE’s testimony prior to
the hearing—and then asked the following two questions:

1) What is the source of the numbers that you’ve listed for these jobs?
2) What’s the methodology that you use?
Id. at *5. When the VE offered her explanation, the plaintiff’s counsel neither made an
objection nor asked additional questions. Id.
The plaintiff in Desotelle argued that “because the ALJ has a duty at step five to

ensure the reliability of the vocational testimony under Chavez [v. Berryhill, 895 F.3d 962
(7th Cir. 2018)], a plaintiff does not need to do anything to raise the issue on appeal in the
district court.” Id. at *6 (noting that “[i]n other words, [plaintiff] asserts that a represented
claimant can stay completely silent as to the reliability of the VE’s methodology during
the administrative proceedings and then subsequently raise the issue before the district

court”).
The district court in Desotelle disagreed and discussed Coyier, quoting the
following language:
On appeal Coyier argues that at step five a claimant needs to object only to
some aspect of the expert’s method used to arrive at his job-number
estimate to trigger the ALJ’s duty to ensure the reliability of the VE’s
methodology. She claims that the ALJ erred by not scrutinizing the VE’s
methodology. However, Coyier waived any challenge to the VE’s testimony by
failing to ask any questions to reveal shortcomings in the job-number estimates or
to submit a supplemental brief on the issue despite assuring the court prior to and
at the hearing that he would do so. These omissions effectively conceded the
reliability of the VE’s job numbers.

Id. (quoting Coyier, 860 F. App’x at 427–28) (emphasis added). The plaintiff’s counsel in
Desotelle also argued that the “the Supreme Court’s decision in Carr v. Saul, 141 S. Ct. 1352
(2021) stands for the proposition that given the nature of Social Security disability
hearings, claimants need not raise any issue before the ALJ to preserve the issue on
appeal.” Id. The court in Desotelle quickly disposed of this argument by acknowledging
the following:
Coyier was decided subsequent to Carr and as such, the Seventh Circuit was
presumably aware of the Court’s decision. Furthermore, given Carr’s
narrow holding, it does not supersede the Seventh Circuit’s rejection of
[plaintiff’s] argument in this case. As such, the ALJ did not err in relying on
the VE’s numbers in this case.

Id. at *7.
On appeal, the Seventh Circuit affirmed the court’s ruling, noting the following:
But when the claimant does not put the methodology at issue and the
vocational expert’s testimony is otherwise uncontradicted, the ALJ is
entitled to credit the vocational expert’s testimony. Liskowitz, 559 F.3d at
744. That’s what happened here. Desotelle did not challenge Wenkman’s
estimates at the hearing (which for the jobs at issue, appear to be quite
conservative), and the two questions about the expert’s sources and
methods did not “reveal any shortcomings in the vocational expert’s data
or reasoning” that need be addressed by the ALJ. Donahue v. Barnhart, 279
F.3d 441, 447 (7th Cir. 2002). Although the vocational expert could have
more clearly explained her methods, see generally Ruenger, 23 F.4th at 764–
66 (Scudder, J., concurring), “the ALJ was entitled to reach the conclusion
she did.” Donahue, 279 F.3d at 447.

Desotelle v. Kijakazi, 2023 WL 4146246, at *4 (7th Cir. June 23, 2023) (emphasis added).
About a month after Desotelle, the district court in Leisgang v. Kijakazi, 2022 WL
970151 (W.D. Wis. Mar. 31, 2022), was faced with a similar issue when a plaintiff “fail[ed]
to object and develop an argument about the VE’s estimates at the hearing before the
ALJ.” Id. at *8. In Leisgang, “[b]efore the hearing, plaintiff’s counsel submitted a brief at
the administrative level in which he made only a non-specific objection to the VE’s
expected job-numbers testimony.” Id. At the hearing, the plaintiff’s counsel asked these

questions:
Q: Okay. What sources do you utilize in order to estimate your job
numbers?

A: These are Occupational Employment Quarterly, First Quarter 2020 data.

Q: Okay . . . What methodology does the Occupational Employment
Quarterly utilize in order to estimate job numbers?

A: It utilizes the equal distribution method over the 840 SSC jobs, categories.

Q: The Bureau of Labor Statistics gathers the data by sending out
classification codes, correct?

A: That’s correct.

Q: Does the OEQ . . . break that down by Dictionary of Occupational Titles
code or is that just something that you do based upon the number of codes,
DOT codes that are within the particular SOC code?

A: They do it.

Q: Do you believe that to be a reliable method of estimating job numbers in
the national economy?
A: It’s the only method I have available to myself.

Id. After this explanation, the plaintiff’s counsel failed to make any objection.
The plaintiff in Leisgang “contend[ed] that counsel’s questions at the hearing were
sufficient to ‘challenge’ the reliability of the VE’s testimony and trigger the ALJ’s duty
under Chavez to further question him about the reliability of his job numbers before
accepting the testimony.” Id. at *9 (noting that “[i]n plaintiff’s view, he needed only to
inquire ‘about the numbers and the method’ used by the VE in order to provoke further
inquiry by the ALJ”). The court disagreed, finding that “[t]his argument, however, has

already been made and rejected by this court and the Seventh Circuit.” Id. (citing Coyier,
860 F. App’x 426). The court in Leisgang did not stop there, but instead acknowledged:
Here, the ALJ did not offer counsel the opportunity to submit supplemental
briefing after the hearing, but counsel never asked for one. Indeed, although
counsel’s questions suggested that he was challenging the reliability of [the] [VE’s]
job numbers, he never made any specific objection or asked the ALJ to disregard the
numbers for lack of reliability. All counsel did was establish that [the] [VE] had
relied on the OEQ and confirmed that the OEQ relied on the equal distribution
method. As the Seventh Circuit made clear in Coyier, however, “Chavez did
not enjoin the use of the equal-distribution method and created no new
obligations at step five . . . the ALJ was entitled to accept an expert’s
testimony that was uncontradicted and otherwise proper[.]” Coyier, 860 F.
App’x at 428 (internal quotations and citations omitted). See also Surprise v.
Saul, 968 F.3d 658, 662 (7th Cir. 2020) (explaining that an ALJ may properly
accept a VE’s uncontradicted testimony absent obvious internal conflicts).

Id. at *9 (emphasis added). The court then held that “[h]aving failed to identify any
specific shortcomings in the VE’s job-numbers estimates at the hearing, plaintiff cannot
contest the reliability of those numbers now.” Id.3

3 The court in Leisgang also addressed the plaintiff’s argument that the “Supreme Court held in
Carr v. Saul, 141 S. Ct. 1352 (2021), that social security disability claimants need not raise an issue
On appeal, the Seventh Circuit affirmed the court’s ruling, noting:
We require parties to object to issues and preserve arguments for a reason—
first and foremost, to ensure that all sides develop the record they wish to
subject to appellate review. See Hacker v. Dart, 62 F.4th 1073, 1082 (7th Cir.
2023).

Our case law is clear that this principle holds true in the Social Security
context. See Fetting, 62 F.4th at 337–38; see also Liskowitz v. Astrue, 559 F.3d
736, 744 (7th Cir. 2009) (“[The claimant] forfeited this argument by failing
to object to the VE’s testimony during the hearing.”). As we explained in
Fetting, a claimant must object to the VE’s testimony or otherwise indicate
that the testimony is unreliable during the administrative hearing (or after,
in a posthearing brief) to preserve his objection. See 62 F.4th at 337. The
claimant’s objections, we emphasized, must also be specific enough to
“indicate that [the claimant] believed the methodology was unreliable.” Id.
at 338. General objections or vague questions about the VE’s methodology
are, without more, insufficient. See id.

Leisgang v. Kijakazi, 2023 WL 4188500, at *2 (7th Cir. June 26, 2023) (emphasis added).

Not only did Plaintiff’s counsel fail to object at the administrative hearing, but also
counsel’s later objection merely challenged the VE’s testimony in three sentences—the
same general objection made in James G. v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 2022 WL 3369322, at *2 (S.D.
Ill. Aug. 16, 2022). See id. (noting that “Plaintiff’s attorney argued, ‘[t]here is no specific

before the ALJ to preserve it on appeal.” Id. at *10. The court found that this argument fails for
two reasons:

First, the Seventh Circuit decided Coyier after the Supreme Court decided Carr;
presumably, the Seventh Circuit was aware of the Court’s decision. Second, the
Court made clear in Carr that it was considering whether to impose an issue-
exhaustion requirement only ”[i]n the specific context of petitioners’
Appointments Clause challenges,” 141 S. Ct. at 1360, and was not considering ”the
sphere of routine objections to individual benefits determinations” like the one
plaintiff raises here.

Id.
confirmable methodology described in the record, and no evidence that the VE’s methods
for obtaining job incidence data are reliable and well-accepted, or why that is so’”).
Like the plaintiffs in Desotelle and Leisgang, here Plaintiff's counsel never made a
specific objection or asked the ALJ to disregard the numbers for lack of reliability at the
February 2022 hearing. Distinguishing the facts in Coyier—and arguing Coyier is
inapplicable—would ignore the overarching critical issue: a plaintiff waives any
challenge to a VE’s testimony by not asking any questions to reveal shortcomings in the
job-number estimates or filing a supplemental brief on the issue with specific objections.
Accordingly, this argument must be rejected.
CONCLUSION
After careful review of the record as a whole, the Court finds that ALJ committed
no errors of law, and her findings are supported by substantial evidence. Accordingly,
the final decision of the Commissioner of Social Security denying Plaintiff's application
for disability benefits is AFFIRMED, and this action is DISMISSED with prejudice.
The Clerk of Court is DIRECTED to enter judgment accordingly.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
DATED: July 11, 2023
Tees eaten!
NANCY J. ROSENSTENGEL □
Chief U.S. District Judge

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